Tactical ignorance personified

[westwall]

The reality of the Iran war. Remebemr, there was no war before tRump. The strait was open, our fuel prices were low, our defensive stockpiles were high.

Now everything has changed.

Let's look at "project freedom", a weak attempt a rebranding an offensive naval engagement as a humanitarian operation. They managed to move 2 ship yesterday. Two. That took maybe a billion dollars worth of budget because they were only able to do it under a financially unsustainable umbrella of military support.

Then they proclaimed "the strait is open!"

It's not.

The Iranians have the terrain/tactical advantage here. It's called "asymmetric warfare" and the pentagon under Hegseth seems to have forgotten it exists. The coastline they have to traverse is a 600 mile mountain fortress of tunnels , secluded coves, and stark ravines. It's utterly impossible to clean out the whole thing. Iran is not fighting ship to ship naval engagements in the style of WWII. They don't have do destroy everything in the strait, all they have to do is tag my one freighter a week and the shipping companies will continue to take other routs for cargo and leave the oil sitting there.

Hardware.

Yes, we has it. We have a massive advantage in hardware. Hardware doesn't win wars, people do, but lets talk about it anyway. Specifically the cost. You wanna talk about asymmetry? We are shooting down $20,000.oo drones with $4,300,000.00 missiles. Missiles we have a limited supply of. This is a war of financial attrition we cannot win. Then there's the fact that we are overextended. These ship require maintenance. Many are long overdue for it an getting worse... That's why we are seeing things like laundry room fires that can disable an aircraft carrier and ships with no working plumbing or short on food/fuel.

And our high tech weapons. We are depleting them at unheard of rates. approximately 50% of our anti missile capability is gone and will take years to replace.

That, in addition to exhausted troops and broken equipment leaves us vulnerable to our real enemies, Russia and China. They are probably cackling with anticipation.

Now lets look at the political situation.

The current administration ran on "no new wars". They have alienated a significant portion of their base with this. The nation as a group is nearly universally against this war. That's a massive at-home moral problem. Everyone can see we just spent beillion of dollars to accomplish little more than send our gas prices through the roof.

Abroad it's even worse. We have alienated almost every ally we ever had. tRump is begging for help to reopen the strait, but most are saying "you started this, you need to finish it.

At home this will likely be redressed by the midterms and the next presidential election.

Abroad this may never be repaired.

This whole thing is a massive boondoggle.

Talk about tactical AND strategic ignorance. You clowns seem to forget that Iran has been at war with us for decades.

 

[Leo123]

Talk about tactical AND strategic ignorance. You clowns seem to forget that Iran has been at war with us for decades.

Forgot? I bet they don't even know, or care to know. All they want to do is come here argue and waste everybody's time with Marxist B.S. and lies.

 

[Crepitus]

No, you said there was no war before Trump, I schooled you that Iran has been at war with US since 1979 and has constantly declared 'death to America' over and over again. You're just too stupid to comprehend.

Since 1979, Iran took U.S. hostages, supported proxy terrorists on U.S. forces and interests. They labeled the U.S. as "The Great Satan," and pursued asymmetric warfare.

They seized a U.S. embassy in Tehran and took 66 American hostages.

Eight American serviceman perished in a failed U.S. rescue attempt.

In 1983 Iran bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut and killed 63 Americans, there was the truck bombing in Beirut of a U.S. Marine barracks where 241 Marines were killed.

Hostage taking in Lebanon where Americans were tortured and killed.

Iran attacked U.S. interests in Kuwait, attacked shipping and had naval clashes in the Persian Gulf during the Iran-Iraq war.

1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia where 19 U.S. airmen were killed by Iran-backed Hezbollah.

Iran advanced its nuclear programs in 2010-2020s while attacking tankers in the Gulf. They support proxies for attacking U.S. shipping.

U.S. responses over the years have been sanctions, diplomatic isolation and strikes on proxies.

Oh yes, little, GIFFY-LOONY boy Iran has been at war with US all that time, we had weak leadership that sought to 'play nice' with sanctions and even sending them a plane full of their once sanctioned money. (Obama). All of that did exactly nothing and now they were getting nuclear weapons and were developing missiles to reach US. Eminent? You're damn right the threat was eminent and had been for some time but only now do we have a leader not cowering and standing up to the threat.
What do you want GIFFY-LOONY? You want US to stand down and just wait for the next attack Iran decides to pull? It's really amazing fools like you exist.

There was no war with Iran before tRump. The nuclear ambitions were handled by the Obama administration until tRump fucked that up too.

 

[Leo123]

There was no war with Iran before tRump. The nuclear ambitions were handled by the Obama administration until tRump fucked that up too.

Iran was at war with us. Obama handed them a plane full of cash that did nothing but fund their nuclear enrichment programs. Why are you so dumb?

 

[westwall]

There was no war with Iran before tRump. The nuclear ambitions were handled by the Obama administration until tRump fucked that up too.

Bullshit. Well over 1000 Americans have been murdered by Iran since 1979. You're full of poo.

 

[jacksonlamb]

And Iran was not an imminent threat to the US or our allies.

I don't think that is so.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Leo123, you are no authority, and your argument are so, so week, just like Concerned American.

 

[Leo123]

I don't need a rebuttal. You haven't addressed my p

Leo123, you are no authority, and your argument are so, so week, just like Concerned American.

All factual, prove me wrong or bow out before you become more of a clown.