Were the Confederates traitors

[AZrailwhale]

No, the Brits just sent military advisors to the Confederacy and the French built and sold ships to them. I am sure they were terrified about what Lincoln might do.

The British support was all unofficial, but the aristocracy provided weapons, loans and every support short of war to the Confederacy. They didn't want a UNITED States because it was a threat to the Empire, they wanted North America to be balkanized and focused on internal squabbling like Europe was.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Lincoln paid a steep price for invading VA. When he was buried, justice took place,

Wrong, and the South paid a very stiff price for Lincoln's murder. He wanted to let bygones be bygones and integrate the ex-Confederate states peacefully back into the Union. Andrew Johnson imposed a punitive peace that still creates problems today.

 

[Robert W]

Wrong, and the South paid a very stiff price for Lincoln's murder. He wanted to let bygones be bygones and integrate the ex-Confederate states peacefully back into the Union. Andrew Johnson imposed a punitive peace that still creates problems today.

Abe ended up buried yet you say he did not pay a steep price. Abe was wrong to have invaded VA without consent of the congress.

 

[Robert W]

Wrong, Lincoln wasn't for war, he was for maintaining the Union at all costs. He was even willing to allow the Constitution to be amended to allow eternal slavery if the slaves states would remain in the Union.

Here clearly is your meaning. Abe was determined he could hold the south (democrats) captives and invaded VA to get the ball rolling.

 

[Unkotare]

Wrong, Lincoln wasn't for war, he was for maintaining the Union at all costs. He was even willing to allow the Constitution to be amended to allow eternal slavery if the slaves states would remain in the Union.

And those stupid traitor sons of bitches didn't take the opportunity, so the 13th Amendment became something quite different.

Stupid traitors.

 

[Unkotare]

... Abe was wrong to have invaded VA without consent of the congress.

He didn't.

 

[Quantrill]

Wrong, Lincoln wasn't for war, he was for maintaining the Union at all costs. He was even willing to allow the Constitution to be amended to allow eternal slavery if the slaves states would remain in the Union.

That is what Lincoln said. The problem is that Lincoln lied. You couldn't trust what Lincoln said. Lincoln in his 'house divided' speech said:

"Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased but has constantly augmented. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free....I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other." (The Annals Of America, Vol. 9, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc., 2003, p.1)

Lincoln was not willing to let slavery exist anywhere in the U.S. But with that then 13th amendment, he was willing to support it just to stop the South from seceding. He knew he could promise the South slavery forever in the South. But he knew a war would settle the issue. "a crisis shall have been reached and passed"

William Seward, a radical abolitionist, who would be chosen by Lincoln as his Secretary of State, said also:

"Thus these antagonistic systems are continually coming into closer contact, and collision results. Shall I tell you what this collision means? They who think that it is accidental, unnecessary, the work of interested or fanatical agitators, and therefore ephemeral, mistake the case altogether. It is an irrepressible conflict between opposing and enduring forces, and it means that the United States must and will, sooner or later, become either entirely a slaveholding nation or entirely a free-labor nation." (The Annals of America, Vol. 9, p.33)

Lincoln was all for war as proved by his own statements and by his choice of Seward for his Secretary of State. This is why the South were not fooled by his so called support of the then 13th amendmant. This is why they continued with secession.

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

That is what Lincoln said. The problem is that Lincoln lied. You couldn't trust what Lincoln said. Lincoln in his 'house divided' speech said:

"Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased but has constantly augmented. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free....I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other." (The Annals Of America, Vol. 9, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc., 2003, p.1)

Lincoln was not willing to let slavery exist anywhere in the U.S. But with that then 13th amendment, he was willing to support it just to stop the South from seceding. He knew he could promise the South slavery forever in the South. But he knew a war would settle the issue. "a crisis shall have been reached and passed"

William Seward, a radical abolitionist, who would be chosen by Lincoln as his Secretary of State, said also:

"Thus these antagonistic systems are continually coming into closer contact, and collision results. Shall I tell you what this collision means? They who think that it is accidental, unnecessary, the work of interested or fanatical agitators, and therefore ephemeral, mistake the case altogether. It is an irrepressible conflict between opposing and enduring forces, and it means that the United States must and will, sooner or later, become either entirely a slaveholding nation or entirely a free-labor nation." (The Annals of America, Vol. 9, p.33)

Lincoln was all for war as proved by his own statements and by his choice of Seward for his Secretary of State. This is why the South were not fooled by his so called support of the then 13th amendmant. This is why they continued with secession.

Quantrill

Let it go, loser. The scumbag traitors you worship lost and nothing about them is coming back. Take off your cosplay gear and head out into the real world.

 

[Meathead]

Let it go, loser. The scumbag traitors you worship lost and nothing about them is coming back. Take off your cosplay gear and head out into the real world.

The "scumbag" traitors were heroes to their people.

 

[Quantrill]

Continued from post #(614) The Secret Six:

4.) Samuel Gridley Howe--"It was not until relatively late that he turned to the antislavery movement, co-editing with his wife, Julia Ward Howe, the antislavery periodical 'The commonwealth'....He next worked for the Free-Soilers in Kansas and was connected with John Brown.

"After the Harpers Ferry raid he fled to Canada, denying prior knowledge. With the Civil War he became one of the New England directors of the United States Sanitary Commission, with which he served throughout the war. Often overshadowed by his wife, he nonetheless had a distinguished career of helping others." (Who Was Who in the Civil War, Stewart Sifakis, Facts On File Publications, 1988, p. 322)

Another co-conspirator and traitor who felt the noose around his neck and fled to Canada. But alas the traitors came to power and he returned. Was he hanged like John Brown the traitor was. Of course not. He was rewarded with notable positions to serve the government.

His wife wrote " 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic' sung to the tune of 'John Browns Body', retaining its 'Glory, glory hallelujah' and changing 'His soul goes marching on' to 'His truth is marching on'. " (John Brown, David S. Reynolds, Vintage Books, 2005, p.5)

The traitor Brown was hung for treason. His co-conspirators rewarded. And John Brown is glorified in song by the North.

Quantrill

 

[rightwinger]

That is what Lincoln said. The problem is that Lincoln lied. You couldn't trust what Lincoln said. Lincoln in his 'house divided' speech said:

"Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased but has constantly augmented. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free....I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other." (The Annals Of America, Vol. 9, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc., 2003, p.1)

Lincoln was not willing to let slavery exist anywhere in the U.S. But with that then 13th amendment, he was willing to support it just to stop the South from seceding. He knew he could promise the South slavery forever in the South. But he knew a war would settle the issue. "a crisis shall have been reached and passed"

William Seward, a radical abolitionist, who would be chosen by Lincoln as his Secretary of State, said also:

"Thus these antagonistic systems are continually coming into closer contact, and collision results. Shall I tell you what this collision means? They who think that it is accidental, unnecessary, the work of interested or fanatical agitators, and therefore ephemeral, mistake the case altogether. It is an irrepressible conflict between opposing and enduring forces, and it means that the United States must and will, sooner or later, become either entirely a slaveholding nation or entirely a free-labor nation." (The Annals of America, Vol. 9, p.33)

Lincoln was all for war as proved by his own statements and by his choice of Seward for his Secretary of State. This is why the South were not fooled by his so called support of the then 13th amendmant. This is why they continued with secession.

Quantrill

Lincoln was 100 percent correct, we could not function half slave and half free.

Because of Lincoln we transitioned from a group of states that were united to the UNITED STATES

 

[Quantrill]

Lincoln was 100 percent correct, we could not function half slave and half free.

Because of Lincoln we transitioned from a group of states that were united to the UNITED STATES

We could have if the North was willing to obey the Constitution and the Supreme Court decision.

We transitioned alright. From being States united wilfully under the Constitution, to States united by War and coersion. United by the bayonet. 'Let freedom ring'

Quantrill

 

[rightwinger]

We could have if the North was willing to obey the Constitution and the Supreme Court decision.

We transitioned alright. From being States united wilfully under the Constitution, to States united by War and coersion. United by the bayonet. 'Let freedom ring'

Quantrill

South violated the Constitution for breaking away from the UNITED States

If our founders wanted you to join and drop out at will they would have made provisions

There are provisions to join nothing on how to withdraw

 

[Fang]

The Confederacy was a separate nation that declared war on the United States.

Can’t blame Democrats for wanting to keep their slaves and lifestyle.

 

[Unkotare]

The Confederacy was a separate nation that declared war on the United States.

No, it wasn't. It was never a separate nation.

 

[IM2]

Can’t blame Democrats for wanting to keep their slaves and lifestyle.

Do you guys ever get tired of posting disingenuous bs?

 

[IM2]

We could have if the North was willing to obey the Constitution and the Supreme Court decision.

We transitioned alright. From being States united wilfully under the Constitution, to States united by War and coersion. United by the bayonet. 'Let freedom ring'

Quantrill

The South had the problem.

 

[Unkotare]

Do you guys ever get tired of posting disingenuous bs?

Do YOU?

 

[Mr Natural]

They should have just let the south secede. They’re just a drain on the rest of us normal people anyway.

 

[rightwinger]

Do you guys ever get tired of posting disingenuous bs?

You don’t get it

The Civil War was a war between Democrats and Republicans