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We’re Going to Defend Taiwan?

Big Bend Texas

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Yet you have no idea or concern for the consequences.

Think better.
Do you really think China wants to cut off it's number one source of money? That is the US.
 

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No. It's to keep Germany down, Russia out, and the USA in. That is the purpose. That is the post war world order NATO is intended to preserve. If you have a problem with that, then you need to explain why you want the USA to be weaker on the international stage.
Germany is the strongest manufacturing economy in Europe and has been for decades thanks largely to the US.
 

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I doubt that, but neocons think this way. You can’t help it.

No American should fight and die for Taiwan, Ukraine, or any other nation. We should only fight if WE are attacked. Otherwise we use diplomacy (remember that word?), which seems our government has forgotten. It seems intent on starting wars everywhere.

You neocons and neolibs apparently never learn. After decades of failed wars, millions killed and injured, nations destroyed you still cling to warring. It’s fucking CRAZY!
When one nation invades another there are only two options, surrender or fight.
 

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Germany is the strongest manufacturing economy in Europe and has been for decades thanks largely to the US.
I usually wind up buying German or Japanese products because they get much better reviews than Chinese products.
 

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We can start by officially recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation and put "Made in Taiwan" labels back on imports where appropriate, instead of calling anything from that region "Made in China" as if they are one in thr same, like the goddamn ChiComs pretend.

The first thing that we can do if China does attempt it, it's cut off all ties to China whatsoever including any imports and I'll trade.

The 100 percent China embargo would be perfect.

Start a war with anybody who dares trade with China.
Exactly, it's not like we don't have more leverage with China than any other naiton on earth.

The US is the single nation which could destroy their economy in a matter of months without ever firing a shot.
 

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I usually wind up buying German or Japanese products because they get much better reviews than Chinese products.
Germany, Japan, Philippines, S. Korea, even Vietnam produces higher quality goods.
 

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Russia, now China, then N. Korea. They smell weakness, and boy does it stink. Thank you, Democrats.
 

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Biden and the west immediately brought down the hammer on Russia

Here is Biden announcing the expansion of sanctions on Russia, 4 days after the Ukraine invasion started:

Their supposed hammer was sanctioning a handful of Oligarch's, nothing that actually was going to have any serious impact on Russia Economically.
 

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Biden will do nothing, that is why China will invade.

Just like Putin knew Biden would do nothing.

Just like Putin knew Obama would do nothing.

But China has to make sure that Russia is not a super power any more before they do it.
China may invade just becasue Joe said he would defend Taiwan With U.S. troops.


Xi Jinping then can point out to any nations wanting our protection that our promises mean nothing.

The sad part is we never made any agreement to defend Taiwan with our forces, just to provide Taiwan with the means to defend itself.

We need to replace Joe with someone who is not have dementia problems.


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Military provisions[edit]​

See also: List of US arms sales to Taiwan
The Taiwan Relations Act does not guarantee the U.S. will intervene militarily if the PRC attacks or invades Taiwan nor does it relinquish it, as its primary purpose is to ensure the US's Taiwan policy will not be changed unilaterally by the president and ensure any decision to defend Taiwan will be made with the consent of Congress. The act states that "the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capabilities". However, the decision about the nature and quantity of defense services that America will provide to Taiwan is to be determined by the President and Congress. America's policy has been called "strategic ambiguity", and it is designed to dissuade Taiwan from a unilateral declaration of independence, and to dissuade the PRC from unilaterally unifying Taiwan with the PRC.[citation needed]

The act further stipulates that the United States will "consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States".

The act requires the United States to have a policy "to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character", and "to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan." Successive U.S. administrations have sold arms to Taiwan in compliance with the Taiwan Relations Act despite demands from the PRC that the U.S. follow the legally non-binding Three Joint Communiques and the U.S. government's proclaimed One-China policy(which differs from the PRC's interpretation of its one-China principle).
 

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we dont have one?.....i wonder who is flying all those F-22's i see flying over the house 3-4 times a day?....


Sad to see, seriously sad.
 

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President Biden made the announcement.

I disagree completely with that stance.


It’s the stance taken by every president since 1949, both Democratic and Republican – save perhaps Trump, who seemed more interested in attacking and undermining our democratic allies than supporting them.

And it concerns more than just the ROC, it involves defending South Korea and Japan as well from Chinese aggression.
 

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It’s the stance taken by every president since 1949, both Democratic and Republican – save perhaps Trump, who seemed more interested in attacking and undermining our democratic allies than supporting them.

And it concerns more than just the ROC, it involves defending South Korea and Japan as well from Chinese aggression.
Why do you feel such a need to lie? All Trump did was warn our allies of what was upcoming in the near term, to therefore increase their own defense spending, and to fight for fairer trade with out supposed allies.
 

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President Biden made the announcement.

I disagree completely with that stance.


Biden doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He doesn't even remember saying that. We have a fragile adult escapee as President.
 

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Biden doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He doesn't even remember saying that. We have a fragile adult escapee as President.
Someone should put out a nationwide silver alert. :D
 

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The 40's called, they want their foreign policy back

I'm sorry, are you saying that keeping the United States in a position of global primacy is an outdated idea? Or are you saying that the current events in Ukraine somehow indicate that Russia has long abandoned violent or expansionist ambitions?
 

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I'm sorry, are you saying that keeping the United States in a position of global primacy is an outdated idea? Or are you saying that the current events in Ukraine somehow indicate that Russia has long abandoned violent or expansionist ambitions?
Russia =/= USSR.

Trump and the USA, not NATO, held Russia in check. Look at how completely useless NATO continues to be, even in their own backyard against a Biden approved minor incursion
 

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Pretty much every president since WWII.
Wrong as usual. Nixon said Taiwan belongs to China. Carter ended the security agreement with Taiwan.

Either you’re a liar or uninformed. Which is it?
 

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Sad to see, seriously sad.
someones opinion.....Nellis Air Base sure as hell doesnt seen to fit that description....right now a bunch of Air Forces from around the world are here for their Red Flag exercises....
 

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Wrong as usual. Nixon said Taiwan belongs to China. Carter ended the security agreement with Taiwan.

Either you’re a liar or uninformed. Which is it?

And then Congress passed an agreement with Taiwan that makes them a de facto ally of the United States.
 

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