We need to change tipping culture

[rightwinger]

At many establishments, the tips are shared with other staff such as bus persons, dishwashers, and cooks.
If the quality of the food isn't to yopur satisfaction, the waitperson had little to do with that, it usually be the cook and/or restaurant policies.

Pay your people better

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Pay your people better

Okay, Is that it? Just pay them better?

Who is exactly is paying them?

 

[rightwinger]

Okay, Is that it? Just pay them better?

Who is exactly is paying them?

Right now, the customer is required to support your staff and guilted if they don’t tip enough

It is OK to shame a customer for not tipping enough
Just don’t shame the restaurant for not paying enough

 

[Rawley]

Why we need to change tipping culture

Why should I be expected to compensate for the low pay restaurants give servers ?
They work for the restaurant, it is the restaurant who should compensate, not the patron

You'll pay the 15-20% more for the meal then.

 

[Rawley]

I never minded throwing my change into a jar
But when you pay by card and it prompts you to tip 20 percent it becomes absurd

Just say no. It's not that complicated.

 

[rightwinger]

You'll pay the 15-20% more for the meal then.

Same amount gets charged to my card

 

[Rawley]

Same amount gets charged to my card

Yup. So why are you whining?

 

[rightwinger]

Yup. So why are you whining?

I am whining because I am shamed for not tipping enough to support the server.

Other countries do it and wonder WTF is the matter with us

 

[Rawley]

I am whining because I am shamed for not tipping enough to support the server.

Other countries do it and wonder WTF is the matter with us

Who has "shamed" you? Servers?

 

[Stryder50]

Pay your people better

You should learn how economics works.
Also see the post I made following the one you just replied to.
Repeat for you benefit;

If there was no tipping and the firm was paying what you think they should to staff, you would see the "tip" in increased prices.
This is notable where minimum wages have been doubled and to survive in business, that burger that used to cost $2 is now $4+.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Right now, the customer is required to support your staff and guilted if they don’t tip enough

It is OK to shame a customer for not tipping enough
Just don’t shame the restaurant for not paying enough

The disconnect you have is that you think the customer wouldn't be supporting the staff if they weren't tipping. Where do you think the money to pay the staff comes from? Restaurants operate on very small profit margins, so if you do away with tipping the only way the restaurant will be able to support same salaries the wait staff is currently making is to raise prices in order to make up the difference, so you're going to pay for it either way. At least with tipping, you can leave a bad tip or none at all for garbage service.

How often have you traveled to Europe? I go there all the time. Tipping isn't much of a thing there and when you do the standard tip is considerably less than here. The service you get there is also considerably less. You won't have the server stopping by your table every few minutes to see if you need anything. They'll take your order when you sit down, deliver you food, and that's it. If you need something more or you want your check you have to flag them down. And if it happens to be on the server's break, be prepared to wait for them to return because nobody else will do it for you.

Tipping has its advantages, but as typical, you guys can only see it through the lens of a "greedy restaurant owner" not wanting to pay their employees.

 

[rightwinger]

You should learn how economics works.
Also see the post I made following the one you just replied to.
Repeat for you benefit;

If there was no tipping and the firm was paying what you think they should to staff, you would see the "tip" in increased prices.
This is notable where minimum wages have been doubled and to survive in business, that burger that used to cost $2 is now $4+.

First off…..you should tip for the service
Not the price of the food
Service on a $15 burger and a $100 steak are the same

So, when a restaurant owner adds the price of service to a bill, he will be basing it on his hourly rate not the price of what was served

 

[Stryder50]

First off…..you should tip for the service
Not the price of the food
Service on a $15 burger and a $100 steak are the same

So, when a restaurant owner adds the price of service to a bill, he will be basing it on his hourly rate not the price of what was served

I've notice many include the quality of the food along with the service in there computation of a tip.
Actually the burger usually is less work than a steak which includes the salad/sides(often done by your server), etc.
Labor is part of the costs in operating a business and has to be covered one way or another. Pay staff more and you have to recoup via cost of what you serve.
You should try owning and operating a restaurant to get better insight and perspective. Food service industry, from many aspects, has been a large part of my resume'.

 

[Eman623]

 

[Anomalism]

If there was no tipping and the firm was paying what you think they should to staff, you would see the "tip" in increased prices.
This is notable where minimum wages have been doubled and to survive in business, that burger that used to cost $2 is now $4+.

That would be offset by the fact that I'm not expected to leave a 15% tip anymore. Or more.

 

[Tyrion234]

I pick from the menu, order something and the server brings it.
Ordinary service and no tip is warranted because of performance.

If you are very pleasant, helpful a tip is warranted
But not 20 percent of the bill

Retard, imagine the server makes $20/hr from the restaurant that now charges 25-30% more for every item on the menu to make up for the labor charges. You think the server is going to give two ***** about your “dining experience”? No, it’ll be like the dumb kids and dead beats at most fast food places. The point of making servers earn their tips is to ensure prompt accurate attentiveness. You get that when a server knows their pay is based on they’re abilities

 

[Tyrion234]

That would be offset by the fact that I'm not expected to leave a 15% tip anymore. Or more.

And you can enjoy being “waited on” by someone that’s making the same pay rate not dependent on your experience you dumb ****

 

[Tyrion234]

I would just as soon pay that way.
Pay them $20 an hour and more at expensive restaurants. Spread it across the bills

And you can enjoy your fast food service for a waiter with a guaranteed wage. You don’t think things through much do you you cheap ****

 

[Crepitus]

How bout we do this?
No tips above 10 percent. A tip is just a nice addition to the meal to acknowledge a pleasant server or service above and beyond normal. Tip based on the performance of the server, not the price of the meal.
Server does not work harder to deliver a prime steak or a burger and fries

But tipping culture is out of hand. Tips start at 20 percent and it is the customer responsible for the livelihood of the server. Leaving a bad tip is taking food out of the mouths of their family. I am already paying for the food, restaurant rent, advertising, insurance, taxes…….why am I expected to pay the salary of someone who works for YOU?

Tipping has turned me off on dining out almost entirely.

 

[Crepitus]

And you can enjoy being “waited on” by someone that’s making the same pay rate not dependent on your experience you dumb ****

You mean just like you do in every other service industry?

Where's the problem?