We need to change tipping culture

[MayorQuimby]

Tipping in many restaurants is not voluntary... its added to your bill especially when you have a large group of people... If you are not willing to tip the waitstaff then eat at home... this isn't 1955...

They shouldn't demand tips.

 

[Rambunctious]

They shouldn't demand tips.

Who demands tips?... if you fall into a restaurant with 6 of your friends it is perfectly understandable you could be charged a certain percentage above the food price...
You are not just buying food you are also buying service... if you neglect to tip without a good reason you are not a good person... and restaurant owners would rather you eat at home...

 

[MayorQuimby]

Who demands tips?... if you fall into a restaurant with 6 of your friends it is perfectly understandable you could be charged a certain percentage above the food price...
You are not just buying food you are also buying service...

If I buy a bag of grocery, do I have to pay not just for the grocery, but a certain amount to the cashier as well, for ringing up my food? No, because that would be stupid, and it's the same principle. If they really want to charge for the service as well, fine, factor that into the food price. If it's a good price, I will eat. If it's too high, I won't. But don't make it separate and try to force me to pay and then look down on me like I am Hitler Incarnate for refusing to pay twice.

if you neglect to tip without a good reason you are not a good person... and restaurant owners would rather you eat at home...

You are very judgmental further you cannot see other people's point of view. There is a reason you are single.

 

[Rambunctious]

If I buy a bag of grocery, do I have to pay not just for the grocery, but a certain amount to the cashier as well, for ringing up my food? No, because that would be stupid, and it's the same principle. If they really want to charge for the service as well, fine, factor that into the food price. If it's a good price, I will eat. If it's too high, I won't. But don't make it separate and try to force me to pay and then look down on me like I am Hitler Incarnate for refusing to pay twice.






You are very judgmental further you cannot see other people's point of view. There is a reason you are single.

Grocery workers are union workers and are paid well and have health insurance... small restaurants can't pay as much or offer benefits... what the hell does Hitler have to do with it???

 

[Rambunctious]

MayorQuimby Do you tip your bartender?...

 

[MayorQuimby]

Grocery workers are union workers and are paid well and have health insurance... small restaurants can't pay as much or offer benefits... what the hell does Hitler have to do with it???

That was an example to illustrate a point, but of course, you being the idiot that you are, thought that I was talking about the grocery thing literally.

My point is, I should not have to pay for something twice. When I go spend money, either to buy something or to buy a service, such as eating out at a restaurant, I should not have to pay twice. Put everything together and make it one price.

Btw, it's not Hitler. Rather, Hitler Incarnate. That was a rather creative way for me to say someone evil. Of course you read it too literally again, because you are an idiot.

MayorQuimby Do you tip your bartender?...

I don't drink. Why?

 

[Rambunctious]

That was an example to illustrate a point, but of course, you being the idiot that you are, thought that I was talking about the grocery thing literally.

My point is, I should not have to pay for something twice. When I go spend money, either to buy something or to buy a service, such as eating out at a restaurant, I should not have to pay twice. Put everything together and make it one price.

Btw, it's not Hitler. Rather, Hitler Incarnate. That was a rather creative way for me to say someone evil. Of course you read it too literally again, because you are an idiot.





I don't drink. Why?

a lousy 20 percent is not paying twice you cheapskate.... and if everyone who you list as evil is Hitler... interesting... just eat at home and be happy in your own selfishness....
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Enjoy cheapskate.... oh you have to heat it up and make your own plate and wash your germs off of your dishes...

 

[MayorQuimby]

a lousy 20 percent is not paying twice you cheapskate....

If the price of food is $20, and they ask me to pay that, and then another amount, doesn't matter how little, yes, I am being asked to pay twice.

I don't think you know what paying twice means.

and if everyone who you list as evil is Hitler... interesting

I don't think you know how to read. That Hitler Incarnate thing was my way of saying that people think I am evil, you know, except that it's done in a clever way. I am not saying that I am describing everyone evil as Hitler. In fact, for you to think this, it tells me how incredibly stupid you are.

... just eat at home and be happy in your own selfishness....

Like I said, you are judgmental. I have already explained my reasoning for why I refuse to tip, you don't have to agree with it, but you shouldn't call me selfish either. Maybe you should ask yourself why you fundamentally lack the ability to see other people's point of view.

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Enjoy cheapskate.... oh you have to heat it up and make your own plate and wash your germs off of your dishes...

More crying. I don't understand why it's such a big deal to you that I refuse to tip. Does your mother work as a waitress?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Employers have shifted the paying of servers to the patrons
A tip should be a small thank-you
You shouldn’t be shamed because your tip has to pay their bills

Employers should get prosecuted for not paying the minimum wage.

 

[rightwinger]

Employers should get prosecuted for not paying the minimum wage.

Why only servers?

A tip should just be a token thank you for additional/ exceptional service
It has become you are expected to pay their salaries through your tip

 

[Captain Caveman]

Why only servers?

A tip should just be a token thank you for additional/ exceptional service
It has become you are expected to pay their salaries through your tip

You can tip anyone. You can tip the painter that did a sterling job decorating your living room.

In any job, if the employer fails to pay minimum wage, they should be prosecuted. A culture based on tipping because some rely on that as a wage is bizarre.

 

[Rambunctious]

If the price of food is $20, and they ask me to pay that, and then another amount, doesn't matter how little, yes, I am being asked to pay twice.

I don't think you know what paying twice means.




I don't think you know how to read. That Hitler Incarnate thing was my way of saying that people think I am evil, you know, except that it's done in a clever way. I am not saying that I am describing everyone evil as Hitler. In fact, for you to think this, it tells me how incredibly stupid you are.





Like I said, you are judgmental. I have already explained my reasoning for why I refuse to tip, you don't have to agree with it, but you shouldn't call me selfish either. Maybe you should ask yourself why you fundamentally lack the ability to see other people's point of view.





More crying. I don't understand why it's such a big deal to you that I refuse to tip. Does your mother work as a waitress?

Eat at home cheapskate...

 

[MayorQuimby]

Eat at home cheapskate...

I can't get a date because I am poor and can only eat at home. You can eat out at restaurants, but you still can't get a date.

 

[Rambunctious]

I can't get a date because I am poor and can only eat at home. You can eat out at restaurants, but you still can't get a date.

I've been dating the same woman for 12 years... she is a VA nurse and will be retiring in January and moving here where I live and buying a home.... don't make wild assumptions old man....

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You can tip anyone. You can tip the painter that did a sterling job decorating your living room.

In any job, if the employer fails to pay minimum wage, they should be prosecuted. A culture based on tipping because some rely on that as a wage is bizarre.

Hello Mr. Moto! That is the law and it never happens! We're not the UK, and you keep forgetting that!

 

[MayorQuimby]

I've been dating the same woman for 12 years... she is a VA nurse and will be retiring in January and moving here where I live and buying a home.... don't make wild assumptions old man....

It's easy to make assumptions about you when you are so judgmental.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Hello Mr. Moto! That is the law and it never happens! We're not the UK, and you keep forgetting that!

That's why you feel compelled to tip

 

[Rambunctious]

It's easy to make assumptions about you when you are so judgmental.

Take your pills old man....

 

[iamwhatiseem]

How bout we do this?
No tips above 10 percent. A tip is just a nice addition to the meal to acknowledge a pleasant server or service above and beyond normal. Tip based on the performance of the server, not the price of the meal.
Server does not work harder to deliver a prime steak or a burger and fries

But tipping culture is out of hand. Tips start at 20 percent and it is the customer responsible for the livelihood of the server. Leaving a bad tip is taking food out of the mouths of their family. I am already paying for the food, restaurant rent, advertising, insurance, taxes…….why am I expected to pay the salary of someone who works for YOU?

I agree that it has gotten out of hand.
20% is a LOT. And it does make the wife and I go out to eat less - it is true. We will say to each other "Hell by the time you pay a tip, so-so food they serve will cost us $60 or so. I make better food myself, and is better for you. Not having to cook isn't worth it.
Plus - since Covid and the terrible work ethics and attitudes of Gen Z's - both the food and service of most restaurants has seriously declined.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why we need to change tipping culture

Why should I be expected to compensate for the low pay restaurants give servers ?
They work for the restaurant, it is the restaurant who should compensate, not the patron

Your solution is simple: Eat at restaurants where workers are paid at least minimum wage and where tipping is not expected.

I highly recommend two in particular: Whataburger (mainly Texas I believe) and Chick-fil-a.

At Chick-fil-a, you will get friendly and respectful service from staff who are trained to respond in specific ways to customers. I've never had someone be rude to me at Chick-fil-a.* The only downside is their very limited menu of different shapes of the same fried chicken filets, i.e. sandwich, wrap, strips or nuggets or grilled versions of the same thing.

At Whataburger there is a much wider variety of foods, with most of the entres being cooked to order. The staff is mostly friendly, though not as ritually friendly as the youngsters at Cfa.

Both of those will very often bring the food to your table, with a system of plastic markers so they know which customer is which.

If you want to be seated by a hostess, and have your order taken and food brought to your table by a server who smiles and introduces themselves and checks frequently to see if you need anything, well you're gonna need to dust off your wallet and tip. Minimum of 20%, and I mean even if the service sucked. The only exception would be if the server were rude and/or disrespectful, in which case you should cancel your order and go elsewhere, after complaining to management.

Why do I say tip 20% even in the case of poor service? Because poor service is nearly always a result of the restaurant being understaffed, or a mistake like asking for your steak well-done and the cook misunderstood how well-done you meant, or some kind of mixup. I make mistakes on my job, but my pay is not docked each time. The server still did the work.

If you choose to go to sit down restaurant and not tip the customary amount, you are stealing that person's work, or more correctly defrauding them with your implied agreement to follow that custom.

As to any ideas of a system of not tipping, that would eliminate the excellent service I always insist on when treating Mrs. Flops to dinner. I gladly pay for the upgraded service as I do for the upgraded food. Americans are not born to serve others, so it costs money to get them to do so.

Pay up, or enjoy your Red Baron Pizza while watching PBS.