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Was Ukraine a threat to Russia before start of Russian military operation?

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When you have a police state and corrupt courts, "solving" crimes is easy. Refer to Inspector Renault in the movie Casablanca for an example. "go round up the usual suspects" is the answer to any crime. Eventually someone will confess.
He is clueless. Corrupt regime can make anyone say antyhing.

There is actually a very clear example of that: POW's returning to Russia are clearly co-erced to spew blatant propaganda on their national TV:


For those that don't speak russian and can't get google translation: These soldiers gave volantary interviews about their detainment in Ukraine and how they ended up there. All of them talked about very civil treatment (including extensive medical help) and them not seeing any evidence of any sort of Nazi-like behavior towards them.

However once they return, they tell to Russian media grotesque lies about not being fed (even though you can clearly see they are at good weight), about being tortured and otherwise mistreated by all the Nazis they supposedly saw.
 
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And now I must leave this topic for a pair of days.
So, you will have time to check facts about “Putin’s victims”.

Yep, now that you can't refute the many Nazi ways of current Russian government you have to run off.
 

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It doesn't settle border disputes; it just lays the groundwork for another Russian invasion at a later date when Russia feels it is better prepared to win.

Nope, Ukraine will be admitted in NATO by then and second invasion would be a declaration of WW3
 

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Nope, Ukraine will be admitted in NATO by then and second invasion would be a declaration of WW3
You and her have the same childish thinking.
 

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You and her have the same childish thinking.
the fact he would believe what that evil motherfucker says speaks volumns of his stupidity.:auiqs.jpg:
 

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Hey look! NAZIS!
you took the russia haters to school that Ukraine is the nazis who want to murder people and take over the world.:yes_text12:
 

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In the days immediately preceding the Russian advance into Ukraine, there was an increase in shelling coming from Zelensky's forces. It seems likely he was told to provoke a Russian response and when that came US sanctions would cripple the Russian economy withing weeks. Now it's beginning to look like NATO will fragment long before Russia does.
:yes_text12: :thankusmile:
 

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Russia has two main interests in this. It's safety and its financial security.

Russia had an agreement with the US that if it allowed the reunification of Germany the US would expand NATO no further. The US agreed to this but despite pleas again and again it has just moved further and further up to Russia's borders and in 2008 it announced that it would soon be taking Georgia and Ukraine into NATO as well. Lavrov warned the US that if it did not stop Russia would have to move into those areas. The US did not stop. Russia is a very large country and it seems that Ukraine being in NATO would mean Russia would be very vulnerable to attack by NATO at any time.

By 2014 the US was deeply involved in the politics in Ukraine and the differences in the desire to be close to Russia the East or the EU the West. They taught the Ukrainians to act in an undemocratic way against those in the East and we had an 8 year war here. Ukraine only being able to do this due to US weapons and US and UK military training. All of this is about Russia being concerned about its security and to be frank I see their point.

Now when this fighting broke out in 2014 after the President had been ousted by the West of Ukraine because of his choice over who he thought could help Ukraine best, Russia thought it might as well take Crimea while it was there. Crimea having for some reason being given to Ukraine in 54 - something Russia expected to make no difference as they were both in the Soviet Union. Something which did make a big difference now they were no longer working together. Russia wanted Crimea because of its strategic position and Russia wanted Crimea because gas has been found around it and Russia does not want Ukraine to be competing with them over that. They said it was because of the Russians living in Crimea and that went down well with people at home but given how the US was moving NATO including Ukraine to completely circle it Russia did need Crimea and anything else it could get to protect itself from NATO having the ability to pop in and take what it wanted at any time.

Russia then moved over to the East and tried to get them voting to join Russia. In truth at this time the majority of East Ukrainians strongly wanted to stay in Ukraine. I hear the Donesk region also has oil.

Ukraine has chosen to have bad relations with its neighbour while holding onto the shirt tales of NATO, Russia's biggest rival. The US had previously promised not to do this and had it not, Russia would not have agreed to the reunification of Germany.

The US knew where this would lead. It had been told where it would lead and why and yet it continued working towards it.

Now we are on the verge of nuclear war.

So security is the reason why Russia came into Ukraine. Security and gas (or oil) was the reason it took Crimea.
:thankusmile: :yes_text12:best damn post on this thread bar none,no contest.:thup::TH_WAY~113:
 

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Get informed. Don’t allow the criminal state and it’s controlled media to keep you ignorant.
old fartstyle is a pro at that,he still thinks reagan was a great man :auiqs.jpg:

trollboy shill joe b also worships cnn and the bbc as the gospel truth.:auiqs.jpg:
 

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Nobody is buying your propaganda, Dissident! Ukraine wanting to take back what Russia has seized by force isn't justification for a Russian invasion. Claiming it is borders on farce! You Russians are guilty of war crimes. Under Putin you're the second coming of the Nazis. The only difference is that the Russian people seem to be coming to their senses about how evil their "leader" actually is! More and more of them are refusing to fight for him.
Any guesses?
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The real question would be was Ukraine a threat to Russia before the Obama administration used the CIA to install pro Western anti-russian personnel within its ranks. That is exactly what happened and there began a slow military and weapons build up there that was in fact intended to threaten Russia. So Russia's prerogative now is to have those people and those Western weapons removed. If that happened in some place like Mexico or Cuba we would be doing something very similar.
 

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The real question would be was Ukraine a threat to Russia before the Obama administration used the CIA to install pro Western anti-russian personnel within its ranks. That is exactly what happened and there began a slow military and weapons build up there that was in fact intended to threaten Russia. So Russia's prerogative now is to have those people and those Western weapons removed. If that happened in some place like Mexico or Cuba we would be doing something very similar.
There is absolutely no rational basis for thinking that happened in Ukraine, Ivan.
 

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Ukrainian legislation provides that ethnic Russians are third-grade citizens in Ukraine – compared with first-grade ethnic Crimean Tatars or second-grade ethnic Hungarians and Romanians (see Aren't these Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?).

But at the same time, Ukrainian authorities demanded Russia to give back the Crimean Peninsula where most of people are ethnic Russians (Russia considers this Peninsula to be its own).

On the official web-site of the Ukrainian President you can read that Ukraine was preparing a package of measures – including military ones – for “de-occupation and reintegration of Crimea” (see here).

Please translate in Google Translator the following phrase


Cannot we conclude that Ukrainian preparation of military measures for “de-occupation and reintegration of Crimea” could provoke the start of the Russian military operation in Ukraine?
Russia realized how weak they are without some of the Ukrainian territories. This is simply a land grab. And everything Putin says is just excuses for The invasion. He couldn't stand it when the pro Russian government was voted out by their Congress.
 

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