Aren't these Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?

[Dissident]

One of the main declared tasks of the Russian military operation in Ukraine is denazification of Ukraine.
Therefore, it is important to answer the question – Is the present Ukraine a Nazi state?
The main feature of Nazism is division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories which have different rights.

A classic example of a Nazi state was the Hitler's Germany where Germans had all rights, Slavic minorities – Lusatians etc. – had less rights than Germans, and Jews had less rights than Slavs.
Therefore, at that time the German society had the form of a pyramid where some ethnic groups were placed higher and some other lower.

Many aspects of life were regulated according to this pyramid, inter alia, Jews had no right to marry Germans; many professions could be practices only by Germans, etc.

The present Ukraine

According to the Constitution of Ukraine, all Ukrainian citizens irrespective of their ethnic origin have equal rights.

But is it really so?

Spoiler

Let’s analyze, for example, the Ukrainian Law on Indigenous Peoples and Law on Secondary Education.
These laws provide that only Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars and two other small Crimean Turkic peoples have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages in all grades of secondary school.

Ethnic Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages in elementary school, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 20% of annual school hours in middle school. The percentage of use of the Ukrainian language gradually increases for such children in the following grades and reaches 60% of annual school hours in high school.

As for ethnic Russians, the education for their children in Ukraine can be provided in elementary school with use of the Russian language together with learning of the Ukrainian language, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 80% of annual school hours.

Therefore, we see in the domain of education in Ukraine the same pyramid when citizens are divided into categories which we saw in the Nazi Germany.

And such curtailment of rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine has taken place gradually - with apologies, regrets etc. – but systematically.
For example, after the “Victory of Euromaidan” in 2014 – although Euromaidan had originally been declared as people's insurrection against the “corrupt regime of Yanukovych” – the Ukrainian Parliament at the same day repealed the Law on Regional Languages.

Three months later, the first “post-revolutionary” Ukrainian President Poroshenko in his interview for Le Figaro called this decision of the Parliament a mistake (see here), but later this law was finally repealed.

Over the last 8 years the Ukrainian rulers failed to prove that the “corrupt regime of Yanukovych” had stolen one single dollar (see here) but they did very much for curtailment of rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
Therefore, I am sure that they planned to do much more for such curtailment.

And please answer the question – Aren't the above-mentioned Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?

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[Moonglow]

Nein mein freund.

 

[badger2]

Yes, it is so, Grasshopper.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Ukrainians were used by the Nazis in concentration camps.

• Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany - Wikipedia​

  

  Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

  en.wikipedia.org
  Ukrainians who collaborated with the Nazi Germany did so in various ways including participating in the local administration, in German-supervised auxiliary police, Schutzmannschaft, in the German military, and serving as concentration camp guards. Ukrainian police auxiliaries "had been involved at least in preparations for the Babi Yar massacre ".

• Ukrainian guards worse than Nazis, survivor says ...​

  https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/ukrainian...
  The Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk, a retired auto worker who was deported from the U.S. in May, is charged with 27,900 counts of accessory to murder for his alleged activities as a …

 

[Dissident]

Nein mein freund.

Does it mean that in your opinion it is a normal situation when in the 21st century the citizens of a state according to their ethnic origin are divided into categories which have different rights?

And does it mean that in your opinion such a state isn’t a Nazi state?

 

[SavannahMann]

So you are saying that Republicans are Nazi’s?

 

[Dissident]

So you are saying that Republicans are Nazi’s?

No, I’m not saying here about some “Republicans”, I am saying here about the state whose flag is on your avatar.

And I am saying that this state (Ukraine) is a Nazi state.

 

[badger2]

Does it mean that in your opinion it is a normal situation when in the 21st century the citizens of a state according to their ethnic origin are divided into categories which have different rights?

And does it mean that in your opinion such a state isn’t a Nazi state?

Grasshopper, contrary to the general consensus, to make the Hitler-Ukraine link that matters, what you have to do is a USMB search: 'Mezin."

 

[SavannahMann]

No, I’m not saying here about some “Republicans”, I am saying here about the state whose flag is on your avatar.

And I am saying that this state (Ukraine) is a Nazi state.

And your foundation for it is the idea of a National Language. Which is advocated by Republicans here in the US.

In fact, most countries around the world have national languages don’t they? So is every nation Nazi in nature? And if we’re not, because we don’t have a National Language, then we should thank the Democrats who oppose such nonsense.

Your argument is asinine. The idea that a National Language defines a Nazi styled nation is just idiotic. But it is one of the desperate claims by those who support and respect the strongman in charge, or illusionary strongman in charge of Russia.

Truth time. What is the national language of Russia? Oh that’s right. Russian. Well of course, we can’t call them Nazi. Even though through the entire Soviet Union, only those who were identified as Great Russian in their Internal Passports were eligible for senior positions in Russia including their military, right?

Hey, it’s not like that is indicative of an ethnic idealism is it?

And today, what do the Russians think of outsiders? Oh they are the bad ones who are abusing Ethnic Russians.

I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of the fools on the right like yourself. So fuck off, and take your Putin loving ass on down the road. Putin is the one that most resembles Hitler, and you’re doing a lot of the work yourself. First of all, propaganda. Lies told over and over again. Second, limiting the availability of information within your country. Third, taking hostages from Ukraine to place in concentration camps?

Lies, Barbaric actions, and hostages. Well I see Putin is the father of something, or at least the shadow of the hell that was Nazism.

 

[Dissident]

In fact, most countries around the world have national languages don’t they? So is every nation Nazi in nature?
...

And today, what do the Russians think of outsiders?

Firstly, there is no single word about a National Language in the first post of this thread.
Many countries have a National language and all citizens equally must learn it in order to communicate with each other.

But in your country (in Ukraine), Crimean Tatars have the right to be taught with use of the Tatar language in all grades of secondary school.

And, for example, ethnic Hungarians have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of the Hungarian language in elementary school, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the your National Language (Ukrainian) during at least 20% of annual school hours in middle school.

And the education for ethnic Russians in Ukraine can be provided in elementary school with use of the Russian language together with learning of the Ukrainian language, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 80% of annual school hours.

There is no equality for ethnic groups in Ukraine, there is a division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories which have different rights; i.e. Ukraine is a Nazi state!

Secondly, I don’t speak about outsiders in Ukraine.
All these people - Crimean Tatars, ethnic Hungarians and ethnic Russians – are citizens of your country but they - according to their ethnic origin - have different rights!

 

[Baron]

One of the main declared tasks of the Russian military operation in Ukraine is denazification of Ukraine.
Therefore, it is important to answer the question – Is the present Ukraine a Nazi state?
The main feature of Nazism is division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories which have different rights.

A classic example of a Nazi state was the Hitler's Germany where Germans had all rights, Slavic minorities – Lusatians etc. – had less rights than Germans, and Jews had less rights than Slavs.
Therefore, at that time the German society had the form of a pyramid where some ethnic groups were placed higher and some other lower.

View attachment 631638​

Many aspects of life were regulated according to this pyramid, inter alia, Jews had no right to marry Germans; many professions could be practices only by Germans, etc.

The present Ukraine

According to the Constitution of Ukraine, all Ukrainian citizens irrespective of their ethnic origin have equal rights.

But is it really so?

Spoiler

Let’s analyze, for example, the Ukrainian Law on Indigenous Peoples and Law on Secondary Education.
These laws provide that only Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars and two other small Crimean Turkic peoples have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages in all grades of secondary school.

Ethnic Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages in elementary school, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 20% of annual school hours in middle school. The percentage of use of the Ukrainian language gradually increases for such children in the following grades and reaches 60% of annual school hours in high school.

As for ethnic Russians, the education for their children in Ukraine can be provided in elementary school with use of the Russian language together with learning of the Ukrainian language, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 80% of annual school hours.

Therefore, we see in the domain of education in Ukraine the same pyramid when citizens are divided into categories which we saw in the Nazi Germany.

View attachment 631639​

And such curtailment of rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine has taken place gradually - with apologies, regrets etc. – but systematically.
For example, after the “Victory of Euromaidan” in 2014 – although Euromaidan had originally been declared as people's insurrection against the “corrupt regime of Yanukovych” – the Ukrainian Parliament at the same day repealed the Law on Regional Languages.

Three months later, the first “post-revolutionary” Ukrainian President Poroshenko in his interview for Le Figaro called this decision of the Parliament a mistake (see here), but later this law was finally repealed.

Over the last 8 years the Ukrainian rulers failed to prove that the “corrupt regime of Yanukovych” had stolen one single dollar (see here) but they did very much for curtailment of rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
Therefore, I am sure that they planned to do much more for such curtailment.

And please answer the question – Aren't the above-mentioned Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?

Source

Even if Hitler resurrects and begin to run Ukraine, even if he opened concentration camps and gas chambers in any city nothing changes.
Ukraine will continue to be a 100% democracy for the West.
Russia is too rich on any thing, the West wants to have commodities and goods for free, like in 1990s.
That's all.
Therefore either Russia will win the battle or die, there is no any other choice

 

[Pellinore]

The answer to your question is absolutely not, for several reasons.

First, establishing different standards to teach different languages in one country does not come close to establishing cultural genocide within that country. In fact, the reason Crimean Tatar (not Tatar, as you say, which is a different language) is given special dispensation is to make up for an attempt at cultural genocide. Stalin tried to wipe out the Crimean Tatars in the 40s, which is why the language is severely endangered now.

Second, you ignore the practicalities of different languages. Hungarian, unlike the other three, uses the Latin alphabet, while Russian is very similar to Ukrainian, and share a lot of vocabulary and basic grammar. You don't take that into account at all, assuming that all reasoning is racial.

Third, even if all of the linguistic rules were for the most sinister reasons possible, that alone doesn't come close to establishing a Nazi ideology. Until 1964, the United States had different rules for different ethnicities; did that mean America was a Nazi state before then? Of course not. Nazism was a form of fascism, for which there were a lot of other characteristics besides the ethnic inequality.

Fourth, the fact that you are so intent on rooting out "Nazis" tells me that you are subscribing to Putin's use of the term as a boogeyman, trying to justify his expansionist war on his democratic neighbor. Don't fall for it.

 

[Baron]

The answer to your question is absolutely not, for several reasons.

First, establishing different standards to teach different languages in one country does not come close to establishing cultural genocide within that country. In fact, the reason Crimean Tatar (not Tatar, as you say, which is a different language) is given special dispensation is to make up for an attempt at cultural genocide. Stalin tried to wipe out the Crimean Tatars in the 40s, which is why the language is severely endangered now.

Second, you ignore the practicalities of different languages. Hungarian, unlike the other three, uses the Latin alphabet, while Russian is very similar to Ukrainian, and share a lot of vocabulary and basic grammar. You don't take that into account at all, assuming that all reasoning is racial.

Third, even if all of the linguistic rules were for the most sinister reasons possible, that alone doesn't come close to establishing a Nazi ideology. Until 1964, the United States had different rules for different ethnicities; did that mean America was a Nazi state before then? Of course not. Nazism was a form of fascism, for which there were a lot of other characteristics besides the ethnic inequality.

Fourth, the fact that you are so intent on rooting out "Nazis" tells me that you are subscribing to Putin's use of the term as a boogeyman, trying to justify his expansionist war on his democratic neighbor. Don't fall for it.

We are talking about Russian territorials annexed by Ukraine.
And now, according to USA/EU/NATO all Russians shall die because Holy Zelensky is a nice guy?

 

[Dissident]

The answer to your question is absolutely not, for several reasons.

First, establishing different standards to teach different languages in one country does not come close to establishing cultural genocide within that country.

There is no single word about “different standards to teach different languages in Ukraine” in the first post of this thread.
This thread is about different rights of different ethnic groups to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages.

Second, you ignore the practicalities of different languages. Hungarian, unlike the other three, uses the Latin alphabet, while Russian is very similar to Ukrainian, and share a lot of vocabulary and basic grammar. You don't take that into account at all, assuming that all reasoning is racial.

So what?
If Russian is much more similar to the National Language (to Ukrainian) than Hungarian, ethnic Russians must have much less hours of education with use of Ukrainian than ethnic Hungarians in order to master the National Language.
But in reality, it is quite the opposite, please read the first post of this thread again.

Third, even if all of the linguistic rules were for the most sinister reasons possible, that alone doesn't come close to establishing a Nazi ideology. Until 1964, the United States had different rules for different ethnicities; did that mean America was a Nazi state before then?

I don’t know which rules the United States had before 1964.
And I don’t speak about rules, I speak about laws - German laws and Ukrainian laws.

Fourth, the fact that you are so intent on rooting out "Nazis" tells me that you are subscribing to Putin's use of the term as a boogeyman, trying to justify his expansionist war on his democratic neighbor. Don't fall for it.

All laws in the Nazi Germany – including laws, which are mentioned in the first post of the thread - were adopted in the strictly democratic way, i.e. they were adopted by a legitimately elected Parliament, by referendums etc.
Nevertheless, Germany was a Nazi state at that time.

 

[Vastator]

The Ukrainians were used by the Nazis in concentration camps.

• Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany - Wikipedia​

  

  Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

  en.wikipedia.org
  Ukrainians who collaborated with the Nazi Germany did so in various ways including participating in the local administration, in German-supervised auxiliary police, Schutzmannschaft, in the German military, and serving as concentration camp guards. Ukrainian police auxiliaries "had been involved at least in preparations for the Babi Yar massacre ".

• Ukrainian guards worse than Nazis, survivor says ...​

  https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/ukrainian...
  The Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk, a retired auto worker who was deported from the U.S. in May, is charged with 27,900 counts of accessory to murder for his alleged activities as a …

Used by? Lol! Rather cozied up to. Start from that truthful premise...

 

[Pellinore]

I'll just focus on this one.

I don’t know which rules the United States had before 1964.
And I don’t speak about rules, I speak about laws - German laws and Ukrainian laws.

I'm using 'rule' and 'law' synonymously here. We are both talking about the rule of law.

The United States used to have a lot of laws that treated different ethnicities in different ways, until the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. A lot of other countries had similar histories, and some still have race-based laws to this day.

If you ignore or explain away everything else here, grasp this point: Racial inequality in a code of laws is not enough to brand a nation as Nazi.

 

[Toro]

One of the main declared tasks of the Russian military operation in Ukraine is denazification of Ukraine.
Therefore, it is important to answer the question – Is the present Ukraine a Nazi state?
The main feature of Nazism is division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories which have different rights.

A classic example of a Nazi state was the Hitler's Germany where Germans had all rights, Slavic minorities – Lusatians etc. – had less rights than Germans, and Jews had less rights than Slavs.
Therefore, at that time the German society had the form of a pyramid where some ethnic groups were placed higher and some other lower.

View attachment 631638​

Many aspects of life were regulated according to this pyramid, inter alia, Jews had no right to marry Germans; many professions could be practices only by Germans, etc.

The present Ukraine

According to the Constitution of Ukraine, all Ukrainian citizens irrespective of their ethnic origin have equal rights.

But is it really so?

Spoiler

Let’s analyze, for example, the Ukrainian Law on Indigenous Peoples and Law on Secondary Education.
These laws provide that only Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars and two other small Crimean Turkic peoples have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages in all grades of secondary school.

Ethnic Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages in elementary school, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 20% of annual school hours in middle school. The percentage of use of the Ukrainian language gradually increases for such children in the following grades and reaches 60% of annual school hours in high school.

As for ethnic Russians, the education for their children in Ukraine can be provided in elementary school with use of the Russian language together with learning of the Ukrainian language, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 80% of annual school hours.

Therefore, we see in the domain of education in Ukraine the same pyramid when citizens are divided into categories which we saw in the Nazi Germany.

View attachment 631639​

And such curtailment of rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine has taken place gradually - with apologies, regrets etc. – but systematically.
For example, after the “Victory of Euromaidan” in 2014 – although Euromaidan had originally been declared as people's insurrection against the “corrupt regime of Yanukovych” – the Ukrainian Parliament at the same day repealed the Law on Regional Languages.

Three months later, the first “post-revolutionary” Ukrainian President Poroshenko in his interview for Le Figaro called this decision of the Parliament a mistake (see here), but later this law was finally repealed.

Over the last 8 years the Ukrainian rulers failed to prove that the “corrupt regime of Yanukovych” had stolen one single dollar (see here) but they did very much for curtailment of rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
Therefore, I am sure that they planned to do much more for such curtailment.

And please answer the question – Aren't the above-mentioned Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?

Source

Great. Another Russian troll.

What did you do to get demoted to here, москаль?

 

[skye]

 

[Toro]

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[evenflow1969]

One of the main declared tasks of the Russian military operation in Ukraine is denazification of Ukraine.
Therefore, it is important to answer the question – Is the present Ukraine a Nazi state?
The main feature of Nazism is division of citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories which have different rights.

A classic example of a Nazi state was the Hitler's Germany where Germans had all rights, Slavic minorities – Lusatians etc. – had less rights than Germans, and Jews had less rights than Slavs.
Therefore, at that time the German society had the form of a pyramid where some ethnic groups were placed higher and some other lower.

View attachment 631638​

Many aspects of life were regulated according to this pyramid, inter alia, Jews had no right to marry Germans; many professions could be practices only by Germans, etc.

The present Ukraine

According to the Constitution of Ukraine, all Ukrainian citizens irrespective of their ethnic origin have equal rights.

But is it really so?

Spoiler

Let’s analyze, for example, the Ukrainian Law on Indigenous Peoples and Law on Secondary Education.
These laws provide that only Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars and two other small Crimean Turkic peoples have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages in all grades of secondary school.

Ethnic Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians have the right to be taught in Ukraine with use of their native languages in elementary school, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 20% of annual school hours in middle school. The percentage of use of the Ukrainian language gradually increases for such children in the following grades and reaches 60% of annual school hours in high school.

As for ethnic Russians, the education for their children in Ukraine can be provided in elementary school with use of the Russian language together with learning of the Ukrainian language, but after the fourth grade they must be taught with use of the Ukrainian language during at least 80% of annual school hours.

Therefore, we see in the domain of education in Ukraine the same pyramid when citizens are divided into categories which we saw in the Nazi Germany.

View attachment 631639​

And such curtailment of rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine has taken place gradually - with apologies, regrets etc. – but systematically.
For example, after the “Victory of Euromaidan” in 2014 – although Euromaidan had originally been declared as people's insurrection against the “corrupt regime of Yanukovych” – the Ukrainian Parliament at the same day repealed the Law on Regional Languages.

Three months later, the first “post-revolutionary” Ukrainian President Poroshenko in his interview for Le Figaro called this decision of the Parliament a mistake (see here), but later this law was finally repealed.

Over the last 8 years the Ukrainian rulers failed to prove that the “corrupt regime of Yanukovych” had stolen one single dollar (see here) but they did very much for curtailment of rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
Therefore, I am sure that they planned to do much more for such curtailment.

And please answer the question – Aren't the above-mentioned Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?

Source

Lol, how fucking stupid do you have to be to try to accuse a state lead by a Jew who's family was murdered by the Nazis of being a Nazi? Hilarious flat out blatant lie and a very poor one. If you are going to be a fucking liar at least try and be a good one. You should be fucking ashamed.