- Apr 6, 2020
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- Sunny Florida
With all due respect, Alexa...an agreement between the US and the former USSR over what sovereign nations do, would have been worthless as soon as there was no Soviet Union! When the USSR dissolved the Republics that made up the USSR became their own countries. Ukraine isn't ruled by Russia. Russia has no right to tell them what they can or cannot do.🤣Are you sure. A lot of what he says sounds very good. I agree with a fair bit of what he says. He was also supported by someone else. They were both laying out the sort of things he would need bits of from abroad and the sort of no good things they could manage with the sanctions. I do remember a Polish man on a forum I was on being scared Russia would come and take them back. That was years ago. I am really not bothered what Putin is like. That is not my business and I have no contact with him but on the reason for the war I disagree with you. Why would Russia have given them their freedom as Sovereign States if that was not the intent - of course under a different person than Putin and I am aware he says the end of the soviet Era was the worst thing that ever happened.
Thig is we do know that the US promised Gorbachev that there would be no enlargement of NATO beyond Germany if they allowed Germany to Unify. There are records of this. The US gave up on this promise pretty much immediately. Russia was warning the US from time to time that they had promised not to take these states into NATO. I saw a newspaper article from 2008 where Lavrov was complaining about the US saying Georgia and Ukraine would soon be in NATO. He said if they went that far Russia would have to intervene. Russia is pretty much surrounded with NATO states. I can see them being not to happy. What was the US doing telling Ukranians who they should have in what position Politically. At this time the US was helping them to oust a President. The US should not be involved in doing that in any country. During the next 8 years they were busy training them how to use British and US military equipment. Ukraine had been getting trained in this almost from when she got her Independence. She had fought in Iraq and I think Afghanistan along with NATO troops.
To me the argument that it was the US going against its promise not to bring in countries further east to Germany into NATO is the better one. That the US wanted to can be seen by their contact with Ukraine from the beginning. Likewise Moscow reminding them goes on all the way through. and so I do not agree with what you believe. It is nothing to do with anything else except not wanting the US to fight Russia and bring us to Nuclear war. I worry that they have decided to destroy Russia just to get rid of a Rival. I do not consider all Putin's murmurings to be the reason. Indeed I see them as being his wrong position he presented to his people, probably making them think of the Ukrainians as brothers more than they did before.
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