Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

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Personal belief is irrelevant.

Stop derailing the thread.

But Judaism teaches that you will be judged by God. Why? What is the purpose? Clearly God judged Adam and Eve, right? Their decision to violate God's law resulted in punishment, right?

 

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You've got everything upside down.

Neither Adam, nor you were born with that ability.
For humanity to have that potential, Eve ate from the fruit,
after God already told them they'd eat, so how is it "failure"?

Were Adam and Eve punished by God? Why? If it was as you say, God punished Adam unfairly because according to you, Adam didn't know right from wrong. Despite being told very clearly what to not do.

 

[Hafar1014]

Sure he did. What's YOUR excuse?

Unlike you I had good parents.

 

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Unlike you I had good parents.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Hafar1014]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I figured you out perhaps you could use some shame.

 

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But Judaism teaches that you will be judged by God. Why? What is the purpose? Clearly God judged Adam and Eve, right? Their decision to violate God's law resulted in punishment, right?

The purpose of judgement is to grant you your name.
And the result was Eve being called the mother of all living beings.

"Punishment" is not mentioned in this story - that's your dogmatic corruption.

 

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I figured you out perhaps you could use some shame.

Would you like to insult my parents some more?

 

[Hafar1014]

Would you like to insult my parents some more?

Do you hit your children

 

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The purpose of judgement is to grant you your name.
And the result was Eve being called the mother of all living beings.

"Punishment" is not mentioned in this story - that's your dogmatic corruption.

In the biblical account of the Fall of Man (Genesis 3), God imposed specific punishments and curses on Adam, Eve, and the serpent, shifting humanity from innocence to a state of sin, toil, and physical mortality. The consequences included expulsion from Eden, painful childbirth, cursed ground requiring hard labor, and ultimate physical death.

Key punishments outlined in Genesis 3:14–19 include:

• The Serpent: Cursed above all livestock, forced to crawl on its belly, eat dust, and experience enmity with humanity.
• Eve (Woman): Greatly increased pain in childbirth and a broken relationship where her desire is for her husband, who will rule over her.
• Adam (Man): The ground was cursed, producing thorns and thistles, making food production painful and laborious rather than effortless.
• Both/Humanity: Spiritual separation from God, eviction from the Garden of Eden, loss of access to the tree of life, and the introduction of physical death ("dust you are, and to dust you shall return").

Though these were punishments, the narrative also shows mercy, as God clothed Adam and Eve and provided a promise of future redemption (Genesis 3:15).

 

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The purpose of judgement is to grant you your name.
And the result was Eve being called the mother of all living beings.

"Punishment" is not mentioned in this story - that's your dogmatic corruption.

Judaism teaches that Adam and Eve were punished by God for eating from the Tree of Knowledge. Their punishment included banishment from the Garden of Eden, increased suffering in childbirth for Eve, and a life of toilsome labor for Adam. This is viewed as consequences for specific actions, rather than an "original sin" that stains humanity.

Key Aspects of the Punishment in Judaism:

• Banishment: They were banished from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating from the Tree of Life and living forever in a sinful state.
• Mortality: While some Talmudic views suggest death was a direct punishment, others view it as a change in human reality, making death and labor unavoidable parts of existence.
• Eve's Punishment: The Rabbis interpreted the punishments as curses involving the pain of pregnancy, childbirth, and a change in gender dynamics (the husband ruling).
• Adam's Punishment: Adam was punished with having to toil and work the land for sustenance, whereas before food was freely available in Eden.

 

[rylah]

In the biblical account of the Fall of Man (Genesis 3), God imposed specific punishments and curses on Adam, Eve, and the serpent, shifting humanity from innocence to a state of sin, toil, and physical mortality. The consequences included expulsion from Eden, painful childbirth, cursed ground requiring hard labor, and ultimate physical death.

Key punishments outlined in Genesis 3:14–19 include:

• The Serpent: Cursed above all livestock, forced to crawl on its belly, eat dust, and experience enmity with humanity.
• Eve (Woman): Greatly increased pain in childbirth and a broken relationship where her desire is for her husband, who will rule over her.
• Adam (Man): The ground was cursed, producing thorns and thistles, making food production painful and laborious rather than effortless.
• Both/Humanity: Spiritual separation from God, eviction from the Garden of Eden, loss of access to the tree of life, and the introduction of physical death ("dust you are, and to dust you shall return").

Though these were punishments, the narrative also shows mercy, as God clothed Adam and Eve and provided a promise of future redemption (Genesis 3:15).

More AI dump by dogma thumper.

Can you quote the verse that mentions "punishment"?

 

[Hafar1014]

In the biblical account of the Fall of Man (Genesis 3), God imposed specific punishments and curses on Adam, Eve, and the serpent, shifting humanity from innocence to a state of sin, toil, and physical mortality. The consequences included expulsion from Eden, painful childbirth, cursed ground requiring hard labor, and ultimate physical death.

Key punishments outlined in Genesis 3:14–19 include:

• The Serpent: Cursed above all livestock, forced to crawl on its belly, eat dust, and experience enmity with humanity.
• Eve (Woman): Greatly increased pain in childbirth and a broken relationship where her desire is for her husband, who will rule over her.
• Adam (Man): The ground was cursed, producing thorns and thistles, making food production painful and laborious rather than effortless.
• Both/Humanity: Spiritual separation from God, eviction from the Garden of Eden, loss of access to the tree of life, and the introduction of physical death ("dust you are, and to dust you shall return").

Though these were punishments, the narrative also shows mercy, as God clothed Adam and Eve and provided a promise of future redemption (Genesis 3:15).

There is no fall of man its the moral teaching of man which cant be a fall its a rise an improvement a benefit leading to freedom. Christian authoritarians oppose this because they see freedom as a threat to them.

 

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Do you hit your children

You need to grow up.

 

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There is no fall of man its the moral teaching of man which cant be a fall its a rise an improvement a benefit leading to freedom. Christian authoritarians oppose this because they see freedom as a threat to them.

Says the guy who believes God gave laws but not consequences.

 

[Hafar1014]

There is no fall of man its the moral teaching of man which cant be a fall its a rise an improvement a benefit leading to freedom. Christian authoritarians oppose this because they see freedom as a threat to them. AI isnt able to understand an allegory

Says the guy who believes God gave laws but not consequences.

God gave humanity freedom which offends you because you need to be in control

 

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More AI dump.

Can you quote the verse that mentions "punishment"?

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/eve-midrash-and-aggadah

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/5249746/jewish/Why-G-d-Banished-Adam-and-Eve-From-the-Garden-of-Eden.htm#:~:text=A%20Puzzling%20Concern,Life%2C%20and%20thereby%20live%20forever.

Adam’s Sin and the Decree of Death | Aish

The Torah states that on the day Adam would eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge he would surely die. However, he lived hundreds of years longer.

aish.com

 

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God gave humanity freedom which offends you because you need to be in control

It doesn't. What offends me is your illogical belief that there are no consequences for poor behaviors.

 

[rylah]

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/eve-midrash-and-aggadah

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/5249746/jewish/Why-G-d-Banished-Adam-and-Eve-From-the-Garden-of-Eden.htm#:~:text=A%20Puzzling%20Concern,Life%2C%20and%20thereby%20live%20forever.

Adam’s Sin and the Decree of Death | Aish

The Torah states that on the day Adam would eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge he would surely die. However, he lived hundreds of years longer.

aish.com

Let's try again, perhaps you show us some of that accountability.

Can you quote the verse that mentions "punishment"?

 

[Hafar1014]

It doesn't. What offends me is your illogical belief that there are no consequences for poor behaviors.

Of course there are but they are not defined for humanity by you

 

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Let's try again, perhaps you show us some of that accountability.

Can you quote the verse that mentions "punishment"?

14Then the LORD God said to the snake:


Because you have done this,

cursed are you

among all the animals, tame or wild;

On your belly you shall crawl,

and dust you shall eat

all the days of your life.* f



15I will put enmity between you and the woman,


and between your offspring and hers;

They will strike at your head,

while you strike at their heel.* g


16To the woman he said:


I will intensify your toil in childbearing;

in pain* you shall bring forth children.

Yet your urge shall be for your husband,

and he shall rule over you.


17To the man he said: Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, You shall not eat from it,


Cursed is the ground* because of you!

In toil you shall eat its yield

all the days of your life.h



18Thorns and thistles it shall bear for you,


and you shall eat the grass of the field.



19By the sweat of your brow


you shall eat bread,

Until you return to the ground,

from which you were taken;

For you are dust,

and to dust you shall return.i