Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[ding]

Of course there are but they are not defined for humanity by you

I find it shocking that you are arguing actions have no consequences.

 

[rylah]

Where does this insecurity

14Then the LORD God said to the snake:


Because you have done this,

cursed are you

among all the animals, tame or wild;

On your belly you shall crawl,

and dust you shall eat

all the days of your life.* f



15I will put enmity between you and the woman,


and between your offspring and hers;

They will strike at your head,

while you strike at their heel.* g


16To the woman he said:


I will intensify your toil in childbearing;

in pain* you shall bring forth children.

Yet your urge shall be for your husband,

and he shall rule over you.


17To the man he said: Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, You shall not eat from it,


Cursed is the ground* because of you!

In toil you shall eat its yield

all the days of your life.h



18Thorns and thistles it shall bear for you,


and you shall eat the grass of the field.



19By the sweat of your brow


you shall eat bread,

Until you return to the ground,

from which you were taken;

For you are dust,

and to dust you shall return.i

Does God call it "punishment"?

 

[Hafar1014]

14Then the LORD God said to the snake:


Because you have done this,

cursed are you

among all the animals, tame or wild;

On your belly you shall crawl,

and dust you shall eat

all the days of your life.* f



15I will put enmity between you and the woman,


and between your offspring and hers;

They will strike at your head,

while you strike at their heel.* g


16To the woman he said:


I will intensify your toil in childbearing;

in pain* you shall bring forth children.

Yet your urge shall be for your husband,

and he shall rule over you.


17To the man he said: Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, You shall not eat from it,


Cursed is the ground* because of you!

In toil you shall eat its yield

all the days of your life.h



18Thorns and thistles it shall bear for you,


and you shall eat the grass of the field.



19By the sweat of your brow


you shall eat bread,

Until you return to the ground,

from which you were taken;

For you are dust,

and to dust you shall return.i

You really love the concept of a cruel punitive God. What is described is the reality of civilization as metaphors. You see god as an angry tyrant was that who your father was

 

[ding]

Where does this insecurity


Where is the word "punishment"?

Everywhere

 

[Hafar1014]

I find it shocking that you are arguing actions have no consequences.

I am not I am arguing you dont set the standards for humanity based on a Christion distortion of Genesis.

 

[rylah]

Everywhere

No, that's your corruption of the text.

So much for accountability.

 

[ding]

You really love the concept of a cruel punitive God. What is described is the reality of civilization as metaphors. You see god as an angry tyrant was that who your father was

God gave you commandments to follow. God is going to judge you. Why? For what purpose?

 

[Hafar1014]

God gave you commandments to follow. God is going to judge you. Why? For what purpose?

You judge in the name of God Thou shall not take the name of the lord in vain

 

[ding]

So much for accountability.

Right back at you. I gave you three links from Jewish websites that discussed punishment. All three recognized that Adam and Eve were punished.

 

[ding]

You judge in the name of God Thou shall not take the name of the lord in vain

I don't judge. I observe. It was YOU who judged my parents as child abusers.

Can you show where I judged you? No. You can't. You are lying.

 

[ding]

Thou shall not take the name of the lord in vain

Or what? You don't believe there are any consequences.

 

[rylah]

Right back at you. I gave you three links from Jewish websites that discussed punishment. All three recognized that Adam and Eve were punished.

What if I give you a Jewish website about flat earth?

There's a reason you can't find the word "punishment" in the text.

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't judge. I observe. It was YOU who judged my parents as child abusers.

I just said you were raised wrong. you like to exaggerate. You were clearly poorly raised.

 

[Hafar1014]

Or what? You don't believe there are any consequences.

Buring in hell isnt one of them

 

[ding]

What if I give you a Jewish website about flat earth?

Go right a head. I'll show you pictures from outer space.

There's a reason you can't find the word "punishment" in the text.

That's funny because the three Jewish websites I provided used the word punishment to describe the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin.

Maybe provide a link to a Jewish website that explains how Adam and Eve weren't punished. Can you do that?

 

[ding]

Buring in hell isnt one of them

According to you there are no punishments whatsoever for disobeying God, right?

 

[ding]

I just said you were raised wrong. you like to exaggerate. You were clearly poorly raised.

No. You were insulting my parents because you needed to lash out.

 

[Hafar1014]

Go right a head. I'll show you pictures from outer space.

That's funny because the three Jewish websites I provided used the word punishment to describe the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin.

Maybe provide a link to a Jewish website that explains how Adam and Eve weren't punished. Can you do that?

How can learning about morals be punishment. What is described is the reality of civilization they are now free to create. Of course you see that as punishment. In your world freedom is evil people must be controlled. How are your children doing

 

[rylah]

Go right a head. I'll show you pictures from outer space.

That's funny because the three Jewish websites I provided used the word punishment to describe the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin.

Maybe provide a link to a Jewish website that explains how Adam and Eve weren't punished. Can you do that?

So return from outer space, and try to focus on the text.

Does God call it "punishment"?

 

[Meriweather]

Does God call it "punishment"?

Itstsabon (Hebrew). The etymology is painful toil, hardship, sorrow.

Would you say God pronouncing "itstsabon" is more like a blessing? More like a punishment? Perhaps more like a light consequence?