Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

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Christian dogma [Timothy 2:11-15] slanders Eve,
accusing her as "sinner" guilty for "the fall of man".

The distinction between this, and Eve not being expressely banished,
unlike Adam and the Serpent, along with God's praise of the day;

is between slandering Eve and so defying God's own judgement,
or learning from the mother of al living creatures.

What does slandering Eve achieve?

Your interpretation is flawed. Christianity does not slander Eve. Try googling it.

 

[rylah]

The only one splitting hairs is you. You keep making fallacious arguments. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating the fruit from the forbidden tree. In doing so they became aware of their sin. So God banished them from the garden because if they had then eaten from the Tree of Life they would have permanently sealed humanity in a fallen, sinful state forever.

How does this answer the question about God telling them they'd eat?

And Eve not being included in the verse of the banishment?

Or the distinction between fruit and tree in the text?

Try without pathos.

 

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Then how is it that you display all of the signs of a person under the condemnation of God?

What signs would that be?

 

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Ahem. That would be you. Are you really that UNAWARE? Copra sanctum!

He doesn't need to tell you what to do. You are driven by hate.

 

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How does this answer the question about God telling them they'd eat?

And Eve not being included in the verse of the banishment?

Or the distinction between fruit and tree in the text?

Try without pathos.

Trying reading these passages in the context in which they were written. Your arguments are idiotic. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating the fruit from the forbidden tree. In doing so they became aware of their sin. So God banished them from the garden because if they had then eaten from the Tree of Life they would have permanently sealed humanity in a fallen, sinful state forever.

 

[rylah]

Your interpretation is flawed. Christianity does not slander Eve. Try googling it.

Does Timothy call Eve "a sinner"
guilty for the "fall of man"?

Or does the church praise her,
for fulfilling God's will?

 

[rylah]

Trying reading these passages in the context in which they were written. Your arguments are idiotic. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating the fruit from the forbidden tree. In doing so they became aware of their sin. So God banished them from the garden because if they had then eaten from the Tree of Life they would have permanently sealed humanity in a fallen, sinful state forever.

Perhaps you should write your own Genesis.

And notify God the 6th day is the worst.

 

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Eve not being expressely banished,
unlike Adam and the Serpent

was the serpent expressly banished? If so, where?

 

[rosends]

A person's life span doesn't have anything to do with the state of their soul. That's not what I was saying. The state of our soul has to do with the sum of our existence. And that is greatly influenced by how much we love God.

What I was saying is that that was God's concern and that is why they had to be banned and an angel left guarding the tree. Mind you, I don't believe this is what literally happened.

But I don't see any concern over being "permanently sealed ...in a fallen, sinful state forever"

 

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Eve not being included in the verse of the banishment?

this is a great question and I haven't found it addressed by the commentaries which I saw on Sefaria. I might keep digging as this is a sharp and close reading of the text.

 

[hobelim]

was the serpent expressly banished? If so, where?

He was condemned by God as the lowest of all low life human life forms in every society nation and kingdom on earth, cursed to crawl on its belly and eat dust, the dust of the earth for the rest of its life.

"Lower than livestock and the wild beats of the field."

If you need to see where the serpent was banished to just look at trump and his sycophants.

Completely UNAWARE how transparent ridiculous and pathetic they look groveling before him, kissing his disgusting ass in public, while they pprivately celebrate the success of their deceptions, again completely UNAWARE of their impending, inevitable, fall from the sky.

 

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Does Timothy call Eve "a sinner"

We are all sinners. Especially you. The point Paul was making is that Eve was deceived, whereas Adam transgressed knowingly.

guilty for the "fall of man"?

How can I believe Eve is guilty of anything when I don't believe she was a real person? Adam and Eve are representations of the first humans that became aware of God. Just like the forbidden fruit is the representation of mankind having the choice of doing wrong or doing right. We were always going to gain knowledge of good and evil because man will not always do good. It is man's failure to do good that gives him knowledge of evil. Evil is the absence of good. Evil is not extant.

Or does the church praise her,
for fulfilling God's will?

My Church reveres Eve as the first woman, created by God from Adam's side as his equal and helper and the mother of humanity.

 

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He was condemned by God to be the lowest of all low life human life forms, in every society nation and kingdom on earth, cursed to crawl on its belly and eat dust, the dust of the earth.

"Lower than livestock and the wild beats of the field."

If you need to see where the serpent was banished to just look at trump and his sycophants.

Completely UNAWARE how transparent ridiculous and pathetic they look groveling before him, kissing his disgusting ass in public.

I'm just sticking with the text.

 

[hobelim]

I'm just sticking with the text.

Thats what the text says.

 

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Perhaps you should write your own Genesis.

I'm not the one arguing Genesis 1:31 was about Eve. That's you. Despite Genesis 1:31 clearly stating it was everything God created.

And notify God the 6th day is the worst.

God created existence. All of existence is good. Evil is not extant. Evil is the absence of good.

 

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But I don't see any concern over being "permanently sealed ...in a fallen, sinful state forever"

I guess that's the difference between Christianity and Judaism. Christians believe humanity is in a fallen state and that Jesus is the bridge from the fallen state to God.

With so much wrong in our world how can you argue humanity is not in a fallen state?

 

[rylah]

was the serpent expressly banished? If so, where?

No, the Serpent is only cursed
and mentioned in reference to dust.

Adam is referenced to dust,
and the curse of the earth.

No expressly banishment or curse of Eve.

Chapter 3:14-24

 

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But I don't see any concern over being "permanently sealed ...in a fallen, sinful state forever"

Why do you suppose God banished Adam and Eve from the garden so they couldn't eat from the tree of life? What do you believe God was concerned about?

 

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Thats what the text says.

no where in the text does it say that the snake was banished (unless you can show me that as a black letter declaration)

 

[rosends]

I guess that's the difference between Christianity and Judaism. Christians believe humanity is in a fallen state and that Jesus is the bridge from the fallen state to God.

With so much wrong in our world how can you argue humanity is not in a fallen state?

I don't even know what "fallen" state means. Judaism doesn't believe anyone has "fallen" because of what happened in the garden. The nature of man changed and now we live with the consequence of that -- we have changed.