Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[hobelim]

The mark of the Beast is 666 - signifying the archetype that worships and accepts only the 6th Spirit of God 3 times as

The number of the beast 666 is the number of a man. The only time in the entire bible that number 666 is associated with one man is when describing Solomons stipend of 666 talents of gold (25 tons), over 3 billion dollars in todays value, taken from the temple treasury yearly, not to mention tolls, taxes, fines and tributes so he, empowered by a few pathetic spineless sycophants, could lead a smooth easy life with 700 wives and 300 concubines as the rest of the population was suffering, struggling to survive, devouring one another to make a shekel.

The scarlet beast that sits on seven hills is a known reference to Rome. Your church imitates the costumes, rituals, and corruption of temple worship, the subject of the warning about the beast, the Antichrist, created in the image and likeness of Mithras an imaginary mangod.

Mithraism was the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military that became compulsory for the entire empire in the 4th century when Caesar conjured from the depths of a Roman hell the antichrist that you worship and eat, yum!
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Jesus, the Jewish messiah, was "the perfect human sacrifice" The Mithran cross is what Caesar meant when he said he was going to conquer the world under the sign of the cross.

In fact every time the Romans crucified anyone on the Mithran cross they were practicing human sacrifice to a trinity in the name of Mithras.

NOW YOU KNOW. NOW THERE IS NO LONGER ANY EXCUSE FOR YOUR SINS.

 

[hobelim]

But without true faith in the Spirit of God, you will never find what you are looking for. The Eternal Spirit of God encompasses it all. When God the Father, God the Son and The Spirit are in balance - it is the Holy Spirit.

Ahem. I am not looking for anything. I found what everyone else is looking for. The truth.

Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, Christians today celebrate Mithra's birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.
Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, English mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic, anti-female religion. Its priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

So take all that pagan Roman crap that you think can mystify me and ram it up your snout.

 

[hobelim]

Why not be snarky? In some cultures it's a form of brotherly respect, while overly politeness is suspicious at best. Now to the matter - what makes a cow not an "upright citizen"?

I don't think cow's crime rate is as high though... So what makes humans unique?

Apparently, like you, some humans have the form and shape of a human being but an intelligence slightly above that of a monkey, or any number of clean or unclean creatures.

Wild beasts, cattle, teeming vermin that go down on all fours, creepy things that creep, etc.

And they also have that godlike ability to turn the finest wine known to man into pure urine.

 

[rylah]

yes, their position about the fact that Adam ate fruit.

I recommended you learn and I gave you the sources. Do you want me to quote and translate for you?

There is no problem appealing to authority if all people involved acknowledge rightful authority. Are you saying that the Ibn Ezra and the Ramban are NOT agreed upon as authorities?

Ok, now out of intellectual curiosity - can you name the sages
pointing to the distinction between fruit and tree, as well?

Since we discuss text, quoting is how debate works
not flaunting names to avoid what the text says.

Thus should sages censored Rabbi Abba of Akko,
Hashlah, Hmalbim, the Netziv, and Or HaChaim,
for teaching something you haven't learned?

According to that logic you can't
even study Bava Metzi'a.

 

[ding]

Dawww. Do you feel insulted because I responded to your claim that the first command was given because Jewish people were polytheists as if you were not one and that justifies your absurd polytheistic belief in a trinity that became a mangod?

Thats a shame.

By the way I am a person with eyes that see ears that hear and a mind that comprehends.

I know thats very disconcerting to you especially since your three leaf clover BS works on the damned.

It's the purpose of most of your posts. You are aren't a serious poster.

 

[rylah]

Apparently, like you, some humans have the form and shape of a human being but an intelligence slightly above that of a monkey, or any number of clean or unclean creatures.

Wild beasts, cattle, teeming vermin that go down on all fours, creepy things that creep, etc.

And they also have that godlike ability to turn the finest wine known to man into pure urine.

Well, there're animals that somethimes give the impression
of being at least slightly more intelligent than some humans.

Not sure about insects, but even mold communication patterns
challenge the common perception about human uniqueness.

Thus my question, about cattle and farm animals as "upright citizens",
stands, at least from the perspective of criminal behavior.

Standing up and walking doesn't make humans unique,
neither the ability for thought and conscious learning.

What remains?
And what makes you better
than a cow, when eating a steak?

 

[rosends]

Ok, now out of intellectual curiosity - can you name the sages
pointing to the distinction between fruit and tree, as well?

start with the Rashi I referenced and it will explain why that distinction is made.

Since we discuss text, quoting is how debate works
not flaunting names to avoid what the text says.

so you want me to find material and spoon feed you? You don't know much about learning, do you?

Thus should sages censored Rabbi Abba of Akko,

this section discusses the different fruit options that Adam and Chava ate. That presents no problem for me.

Hashlah,

stating the fruit was wheat

Hmalbim,

that site included this statement "חווה התפתתה לדברי הנחש, אכלה מפרי העץ ונתנה גם לאדם לאוכלו" -- are you sure you want to cite this to support your position?

the Netziv,

this discusses the difference between eating and drinking and references the part menstrual blood played in the event

and Or HaChaim,
for teaching something you haven't learned?

his discussion about whether Eve ate from the tree earlier, before she tried the fruit? (he says "וכבר הקדמנו מאמרי קדמונינו (ב''ר פט''ו) כי כל עצי הגן לא היה טעם בעץ זולת עץ הדעת, שהיה טעם עצו וטעם פריו שוה." but then he also writes, "דקדק לומר מפריו, כי מעצו כבר אכלה קודם."

I have seen discussion about the fact that this final point misunderstands the medrash upon which it is based and ignores that initial rashi which I referenced.

So what exactly are you trying to claim? No one here says Adam didn't eat fruit.

 

[hobelim]

Standing up and walking doesn't make humans unique,

Are you hard of reading?

I already told you what scripture means when it says that God created man to stand upright.

Standing upright has a few possible meanings. In the context of scripture its about a person that is honest, righteous, and adheres to strong ethical principles e.g., "an upright citizen".

If I told you again would that help? Let me know and I will be more than happy to oblige.