Voting rights advocates say Trump's executive order requiring proof of citizenship 'could block millions from voting'. Isn't that the point?

[Delldude]

Judicial Watch is a conservative foundation. It has no authority to force states to do anything in regard to elections.

The courts have no jurisdiction?

I might be wrong.

You are.

 

[struth]

Just about any prosecutor can claim he is prosecuting. However, there there is big different between such a claim and actually prosecuting and getting convictions.


And I can too. Between 2020 and 2024 we had 99 prosecutions in the US for illegal voting crimes in which non-citizens were charged and there were 71 convictions. Over that time periods there were over 500 elections with over 400 million voters voting.

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map

So what’s your point? Illegals get prosecuted for illegally voting? Cool

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

1.67 million Iowans voted in 2024….35 were not citizens. I suspect a couple of dozen voters were dead as well.

That is not even statistically meaningful, certainly not enough to potentially disenfranchise legitimate voters.

Yeah fuck the 50 or so people who's legal votes where negated by the illegal ones. I think people like yourself should be forced to visit random legal voters and explain to them how their vote is not statistical meaningful.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Citizens have NO PROBLEM getting ID. That is a lie promulgated by the democrats to try and prevent voter ID laws.

Well, there's ID, and there's proof of citizenship. If there are actual citizens who have no way to prove they are citizens, then let's help them regain that identification. To say "well we don't need proof of citizenship at all because some people don't have it" just isn't a good answer. If we have the ability to help these people with that, then we can help them.

 

[westwall]

Well, there's ID, and there's proof of citizenship. If there are actual citizens who have no way to prove they are citizens, then let's help them regain that identification. To say "well we don't need proof of citizenship at all because some people don't have it" just isn't a good answer. If we have the ability to help these people with that, then we can help them.

There are plenty of ways to prove citizenship. That cunnard is ridiculous.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Citizens have NO PROBLEM getting ID. That is a lie promulgated by the democrats to try and prevent voter ID laws.

Wait.
Democrats lie?
No. Way.

 

[ThisIsMe]

There are plenty of ways to prove citizenship. That cunnard is ridiculous.

Yep, and if someone is lacking the credentials to prove their citizenship, let's help them get it. Then, we can have a voter ID.

 

[westwall]

Yep, and if someone is lacking the credentials to prove their citizenship, let's help them get it. Then, we can have a voter ID.

We can have voter ID NOW. It takes two minutes to prove citizenship.

 

[ThisIsMe]

We can have voter ID NOW. It takes two minutes to prove citizenship.

Well, you may have older people who lack the proper means of identification. If so, we can help them. Otherwise, I agree

 

[daveman]

According to the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank who maintained a database of illegal voting by state for over 40 year, illegal immigrant voting is extremely rare. For example in the state of Texas where there are a lot of undocumented immigrants, between 1982 and 2024 there have been exactly 4 illegal aliens convicted. In the state of Alabama since 1982 there were 2 conviction. In Florida there were 14. In North Carolina there were 38.

And in all states from 1982 to 2024, we had 99 undocumented immigrants convicted of violating election law out of a total of election law convictions of 1,574. That covers over 5000 elections over 42 years. So when you hear illegal immigrant voting in our elections is rare, it is actually very, very, rare.

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map is an interactive tool providing a sampling of proven instances of election fraud across the U.S. From @HeritageDataviz

electionfraud.heritage.org

Even one is too many.

How many would it take for you to insist something be done? Does the fact that Democrats give illegals goodies push your limit higher?

 

[daveman]

You do not have to be informed on all issues or candidates just the ones you chose to vote on. I know there are always some people that think that just because there are a hundred items on the ballot that mean you re expected to vote on every one of them. Voting instructions need to make it clear. Lean as much as you can about candidates and issue but do not vote on items just because they are on the ballot.

The "Vote Blue No Matter Who!!" crowd doesn't want anybody doing homework.

 

[daveman]

In the mail, or through voter harvesting. It's not hard to get a ballot.

Especially if you have a spankin' new Social Security Number issued by the Biden Admin.

 

[daveman]

How do these people survive in our society without these documents?

They don't, because they don't exist. Leftists whine and cry about people not being able to get ID, but it's a myth to try to forestall Voter ID.

 

[westwall]

Well, you may have older people who lack the proper means of identification. If so, we can help them. Otherwise, I agree

How? I'm 80. People my age have no problem getting ID.

That's a lie being pushed to prevent Voter ID laws from being passed.

 

[Flopper]

The courts have no jurisdiction?


You are.

Judicial Watch is not a court.

 

[Flopper]

How? I'm 80. People my age have no problem getting ID.

That's a lie being pushed to prevent Voter ID laws from being passed.

There is no argument that citizens can get proof of citizenship if they are willing to spend the time and money to get it. Some states may force their people to do that and are willing to suffer any suppression in voting. Others are more concerned with voter suppression and will just require that in registration that the applicant swears under oath that they are US citizens. Others will simply state that voting by non-citizens is punishable under the the law of that state. It is up to each state to decide how they will run their elections and what degree of assurance they want that only citizens are voting.

 

[Flopper]

The "Vote Blue No Matter Who!!" crowd doesn't want anybody doing homework.

If that were the case, why are they spending hundreds of thousands of dollars preparing and distributing voter guides and pamphlets with information about candidates and referendums.

 

[ThisIsMe]

How? I'm 80. People my age have no problem getting ID.

That's a lie being pushed to prevent Voter ID laws from being passed.

I'm all for voter ID, but I'm also for everyone who is eligible to vote, not slipping through the cracks.

There are articles that suggest there are people in the country who do not possess the required documents to prove their citizenship. It's for those people I would say we need to help get their identity shored up.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They don't, because they don't exist. Leftists whine and cry about people not being able to get ID, but it's a myth to try to forestall Voter ID.

And there's only one reason to do that.

 

[westwall]

I'm all for voter ID, but I'm also for everyone who is eligible to vote, not slipping through the cracks.

There are articles that suggest there are people in the country who do not possess the required documents to prove their citizenship. It's for those people I would say we need to help get their identity shored up.

That number is so vanishingly small that preventing voter ID laws because of them, is ludicrous.