Voting rights advocates say Trump's executive order requiring proof of citizenship 'could block millions from voting'. Isn't that the point?

[toobfreak]

According to the Heritage Foundation, illegal immigrant voting is extremely rare.

Yet DOGE just uncovered this.

Fiscal year 2024 the year of the election, applications by non-citizens for SS numbers shot up to over TWO MILLION applications! And the SSA hands them out like candy.

I'm SURE none of these people wanted to nor voted.

 

[Flopper]

And are you to just take their word at it? If they want to vote, they should study the issues a little, and the gov needs to issue a simple, easy little test as a way of encouraging voters to bone up.

I mean, if they can't even bother to know the most basic things about a candidate, why do they even want to vote?

Their "duty?" Bull.

You do not have to be informed on all issues or candidates just the ones you chose to vote on. I know there are always some people that think that just because there are a hundred items on the ballot that mean you re expected to vote on every one of them. Voting instructions need to make it clear. Lean as much as you can about candidates and issue but do not vote on items just because they are on the ballot.

 

[Delldude]

That's not just a party line. The vast majority of people that enter this country illegally did not vote in the country they came from and they are not going to vote here and subject themselves to being arrested and deported. They have nothing to gain and a lot to lose.

Not voting isn't going to keep them from being arrested and deported.

 

[Flopper]

FALLACY.

1. How do we even know that the HF figures are accurate?
2. You are conflating /convictions/ with occurrences, as if every illegal voter was both caught AND convicted.
3. Can anyone ever imagine a democrat catching and turning in an illegal voter, much less convicting them? They are the ones inviting them in, so any convictions at all can only come from the republicans.

We can't even keep up with prosecuting crimes committed by top government officials much less get a conviction on every one of them, so by your reasoning, Washington must be as pure as the driven snow.

The Heritage Foundation is a pretty reliable group even if they are Conservates. These statistics are not meant to imply that the number convicted is close to the number of crimes, any more than the number of tickets given for running stop signs is close to the number of violations.

However, when the claims of violations are in the hundreds of thousands and millions with only a handful convictions, it is a very good assumption that those claims are grossly exaggerated.

In the 2020 presidential election there were 5,500 irregularities reported with less than 500 being actually illegal voting that could be charged as a criminal offense. Of that 500, 32 were illegal aliens charged and the the number convicted was 16. Keep in mind there were 155 million people that voted. Even if ever reported incident of any kind was an illegal immigrant voter that would be only .00035% of the voters. Remember Trump was claiming tens of millions of alien votes.

 

[westwall]

The Heritage Foundation is a pretty reliable group even if they are Conservates. These statistics are not meant to imply that the number convicted is close to the number of crimes, any more than the number of tickets given for running stop signs is close to the number of violations.

However, when the claims of violations are in the hundreds of thousands and millions with only a handful convictions, it is a very good assumption that those claims are grossly exaggerated.

In the 2020 presidential election there were 5,500 irregularities reported with less than 500 being actually illegal voting that could be charged as a criminal offense. Of that 500, 32 were illegal aliens charged and the the number convicted was 16. Keep in mind there were 155 million people that voted. Even if ever reported incident of any kind was an illegal immigrant voter that would be only .00035% of the voters. Remember Trump was claiming tens of millions of alien votes.

And, as you have been shown, their information is considerably out of date.

 

[struth]

How exactly would an illegal alien vote? Please explain because I have yet to find one of you who will even try to back that BS up

By voting

 

[Mac-7]

No it isn't. The point is we want American citizens voting. Americans voting and Americans have proof of citizenship available is not the same thing. 21.3 million Americans, don’t have proof of citizenship readily available. There are myriad reasons for this — the documents might be in the home of another family member or in a safety deposit box. And at least 3.8 million don’t have these documents at all, often because they were lost, destroyed, stolen, or they never had them. And there are generations of migrant workers that were born in the US but have no birth certificate. Some were home births but they never got recorded.

Thats really too bad even if all your excuses are valid, which they are not

You open the door for millions of illegal voters to scam our election process

 

[Slade3200]

By voting

How exactly? How do they get a ballot to vote?

 

[struth]

How exactly? How do they get a ballot to vote?

In the mail, or through voter harvesting. It's not hard to get a ballot.

 

[Slade3200]

In the mail, or through voter harvesting. It's not hard to get a ballot.

they can’t get a ballot in the mail unless they are registered to vote. They can’t Register to vote without showing proof of citizenship. It is definitely hard to get a ballot if you aren’t registered. Want to try again?

 

[Delldude]

they can’t get a ballot in the mail unless they are registered to vote. They can’t Register to vote without showing proof of citizenship. It is definitely hard to get a ballot if you aren’t registered. Want to try again?

Judicial watch forced states to remove illegals who had been registered to vote.

 

[struth]

they can’t get a ballot in the mail unless they are registered to vote. They can’t Register to vote without showing proof of citizenship. It is definitely hard to get a ballot if you aren’t registered. Want to try again?

No it’s really not, moreover it’s easy to get forged documents, and apply for a DL, and in doing so. Register to vote in many states

 

[Slade3200]

Judicial watch forced states to remove illegals who had been registered to vote.

Link to the examples

 

[Slade3200]

No it’s really not, moreover it’s easy to get forged documents, and apply for a DL, and in doing so. Register to vote in many states

Can you show an inkling of proof to back up that absurd claim

 

[struth]

Can you show an inkling of proof to back up that absurd claim

That illegals forge documents to attempt to make themselves look legal?

 

[Mac-7]

That illegals forge documents to attempt to make themselves look legal?

Do bears shit in the woods?

Of course illegals lie and cheat after they get here

 

[Slade3200]

That illegals forge documents to attempt to make themselves look legal?

Yes, show examples of them forging whatever it is you think they are forging and examples of them using it to get ballots and voting. Here comes the dodge…

 

[M14 Shooter]

Millions of people.... who cannot legally vote.

 

[M14 Shooter]

21.3 million Americans, don’t have proof of citizenship readily available. There are myriad reasons for this — the documents might be in the home of another family member or in a safety deposit box. And at least 3.8 million don’t have these documents at all, often because they were lost, destroyed, stolen, or they never had them. And there are generations of migrant workers that were born in the US but have no birth certificate. Some were home births but they never got recorded.

How do these people survive in our society without these documents?

 

[Slade3200]

Do bears shit in the woods?

Of course illegals lie and cheat after they get here

Would you say that a significant amount cheat and lie in order to cast illegal votes in our elections?