Voting rights advocates say Trump's executive order requiring proof of citizenship 'could block millions from voting'. Isn't that the point?

[M14 Shooter]

I haven't seen any stories refuting it?

You believe a claim until someone refutes it?
God Exists. Refute it.

 

[westwall]

What if they don't have the means or the know how to navigate our complex systems to acquire the necessary documentation to gain the proof of citizenship?

No one is that mentally impaired.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What if they don't have the means or the know how...

Then they ask.
-You- are responsible for meeting the requirements necessary to exercise your rights.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You believe a claim until someone refutes it?
God Exists. Refute it.

Can you even refute if God exists? I don't think that is possible since there is no evidence of it.

However, in regards to people not having proper access to documents, that would be something you COULD disprove, but I've not seen it done yet so, all I can do is go with what we DO have.

If this is a problem that does indeed exist, then I'm in favor of helping people acquire these things.

 

[ThisIsMe]

No one is that mentally impaired.

It's not about mental impairment, some people just don't know how to do it. Or may need help filling out the forms needed to go through it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Can you even refute if God exists?

You;re the one standing on the position that you believe a claim until it is refuted.
Claim: God exists.
Glad to see you're a believer.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You;re the one standing on the position that you believe a claim until it is refuted.
Claim: God exists.
Glad to see you're a believer.

I have no reason not to believe it, it doesn't seem beyond the realm of possible, so i could see how it would be an issue.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I have no reason not to believe it, it doesn't seem beyond the realm of possible

That's not exactly critical thought.

 

[ThisIsMe]

That's not exactly critical thought.

Critical thought means having information available to make a choice. Do we have any information that refuted the claim?

My critical thinking says, there might people in parts of the country who would have a hard time accessing this information.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Critical thought means having information available to make a choice.

No.
It means evaluating the validity of the information used to support a claim, which can be done interdependently of an argument refuting that claim.
Simply assuming the information is valid until someone refutes it is the -opposite- of critical thought.

 

[westwall]

It's not about mental impairment, some people just don't know how to do it. Or may need help filling out the forms needed to go through it.

The only way an adult can't fill out a form, is if they are so mentally deficient they shouldn't be voting anyway.

 

[ThisIsMe]

No.
It means evaluating the validity of the information used to support a claim, which can be done interdependently of an argument refuting that claim.
Simply assuming the information is valid until someone refutes it is the -opposite- of critical thought.

But dismissing it until someone proves it would also be thr opposite of critical thought, no?

I have multiple articles that all say the same thing, but don't have any, yet, that refutes them.

This is the information we're given.

You're suggestion is that everybody has the means and know how to do all of this, all im saying is, perhaps there are some that don't. That's very reasonable.

I still don't understand why I'm getting so much push back. It's not like I'm saying DONT have voter ID, I'm saying let's do it, but make sure all citizens eligible to vote have this ID, and proof of citizenship, to do so, and for those that need help with establishing their documentation for proof of citizenship, if they exist, then we can have people assigned to do that.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The only way an adult can't fill out a form, is if they are so mentally deficient they shouldn't be voting anyway.

You'd be surprised the number of people who get lost filling out forms, especially these government forms...

 

[M14 Shooter]

But dismissing it until someone proves it would also be thr opposite of critical thought, no?

Not accepting it as fact until proven is critical thought.

 

[westwall]

You'd be surprised the number of people who get lost filling out forms, especially these government forms...

You're correct. There are SO MANY groups out there looking for people to help that the person who doesn't partake of that help shouldn't vote.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Not accepting it as fact until proven is critical thought.

I think it works both ways. The claim is within the realm of possibility.

Why is this such a hang up for you?

 

[westwall]

I think it works both ways. The claim is within the realm of possibility.

Why is this such a hang up for you?

Because we KNOW how many groups there are helping the old people.

Thus, the claim is simply not believable, it defies logic, and reason.

 

[daveman]

Critical thought means having information available to make a choice. Do we have any information that refuted the claim?

My critical thinking says, there might people in parts of the country who would have a hard time accessing this information.

22 Things That Require a Photo ID​

At a Glance: In the U.S., a photo ID is required for various activities, including buying alcohol, opening a bank account, applying for food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, and Social Security, renting or buying a house, buying or renting a car, flying on an airplane, getting married, purchasing a gun, adopting a pet, applying for a hunting license, renting a hotel room, getting a fishing license, buying a cell phone, picking up prescription medication, visiting a casino, holding a protest or rally, donating blood, purchasing mature-rated video games, purchasing tobacco, and applying for unemployment benefits. A photo ID helps prove identity and ensures compliance with legal requirements.

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Are you saying there are people in America who never do any of this?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Because we KNOW how many groups there are helping the old people.

Thus, the claim is simply not believable, it defies logic, and reason.

what groups are these? If they exist, then fine; as long as there is an effort to assist them.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

800,000 Illegals voted in NY.

In CA it’s probably 6 times that

Trump needs to drop the hammer: secure elections or no Federal dollars