virginity

[syrenn]

i dont call anyone dirty not a female not a guy. and there is inbetween White and Black. Between unkissed virgin and total slut. There are Grey Shades. I would be sad if i ended up with a total slut, because I dont think I deserve that. The unkissed virgin is a romantic dream, of a ideal female which has high value for me but i dont expect to find it in real life.

well... i got news for you... virgins are either pretty damn dumb or frustrated and up tight... either way unless YOU know what YOU are doing no one is going to enjoy sex.

you are just jealous because you are not a virgin and you are offended if someone values virginity in a female because you lost yours when you have been 14

not jealous at all.

its call the real world. If anything i pity you and any woman who ends up being defiled by you.

 

[Mortimer]

well... i got news for you... virgins are either pretty damn dumb or frustrated and up tight... either way unless YOU know what YOU are doing no one is going to enjoy sex.

you are just jealous because you are not a virgin and you are offended if someone values virginity in a female because you lost yours when you have been 14

not jealous at all.

its call the real world. If anything i pity you and any woman who ends up being defiled by you.

i wouldnt defile any woman, because im a nice guy and not a asshole

 

[syrenn]

You dont grasp Basics, actually i think you do but you just ignore it to make my Point sounds irrational.

You're doing an excellent job of making your own points sound completely irrational. Because they are. Which is why you've gotten such a negative response from everyone in this thread. I'm just helping you see the irrationality.

Good luck defiling the elf-kangaroo-furry you will be carrying around.

I got a negative Response from the start, where i didnt even revealed any Details about my sexual past or how i see the difference between Males and Females.
You dont see the rationality to my post because of your awkward feministic ideology and your premise that males and females are equal when they are not. If you wouldnt believe males and females are equal you would not see it as irrational. You are not a honest Person it was a mistake treating you like a fair and honest Person who just seeks to understand. You dont see to understand, you seek to destruct.

See.. that just it. You didnt need to providedetails of your sexual past..... because it was pretty damn obvious.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

You seem very stuck on this concept of "defiling." What does that mean to you exactly?

 

[syrenn]

I had only ONCE Sex and Im almost 30.

If by some miracle (or financial transaction) that is true, it is likely to be the only time EVER. Hope you had fun.

It may well be true.
Most men who live in small towns and villages in Indonesia are virgins util they marry.

and how old are they when they marry?

 

[Mortimer]

it's good that you clarified what your ideal is, but I think it's apparent to most in this thread that you don't understand love or romance at all. you seem to think it has something to do with a hymen. I hope you do find love, so you can realize it's more centered on chemistry than history. get the right school subject.

it seems that you and others dont understand the value of intimacy and sex. for you it is just soulless "in and out" game. getting a need satisfied like eating. so you wouldnt care how often, with whom and how many (maybe even at once) guys your Partner had sex. for me sex has a different value then for you. in my Imagination it something else then in yours. that is where the difference lies. you tend to rationalise too much (only a hymen get lost) but im emotional. i connect sex with something deeper, something higher. and no sex is not dirty for me, it is sacred Connection between men and women. that is why i want her to have it only with me.

 

[Mortimer]

You seem very stuck on this concept of "defiling." What does that mean to you exactly?

i dont know, i think for me maybe women have a too high value. maybe i need to see them more like what they are, just humans. i admire women too much, and i cant stand the thought that some guy cums into their face or mouth. i see women as holy

 

[syrenn]

No

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Given that, aren't you being a little unfair in asking any potential lady to be a virgin?

i dont think that, im not asking anything, it is just my wish that she is a virgin. no one wants used everyone wants new and it is not like im going around preying on women to bring them into bed, i had only once sex. im a shy, romantic and conservative guy. i dont think i deserve a slut because i had once sex.

you are not new or virgin
you are not young
you are used goods yourself.
you are fat
you are unattractive
you dont appear very smart
you dont appear to be very emotional strong.
you have self esteem issues



Considering your list of what you want in your fairy tale princess fantasy of a woman.... i got news for you....

you're no princess either bud.

 

[syrenn]

Given that, aren't you being a little unfair in asking any potential lady to be a virgin?

i dont think that, im not asking anything, it is just my wish that she is a virgin. no one wants used everyone wants new and it is not like im going around preying on women to bring them into bed, i had only once sex. im a shy, romantic and conservative guy. i dont think i deserve a slut because i had once sex.

You're not "romantic," you're a loser.

he does not seem to understand that part.

he somehow thinks he is worth of a fairy tale princess.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

I don't think you're in any sort of position to claim how others in this thread value sex. In fact, the rant you just gave is a perfect example of your own insecurities being projected onto others. I'm guessing that one other instant of sex you've personally experienced falls into that category. You hate what you despise about yourself, and blame others as the source of those feelings.

But you identified the true issue here: this is all in your imagination. You have no grounding in reality. You haven't actually experienced a close emotional and physical connection to someone as you describe, so your mind fills in the gaps of your experience. Imagination works well that way but it really is the reason you are getting so much resistance from others in this thread: they know something about actual love and romance that you don't.

 

[Dreamy]

Given that, aren't you being a little unfair in asking any potential lady to be a virgin?

i dont think that, im not asking anything, it is just my wish that she is a virgin. no one wants used everyone wants new and it is not like im going around preying on women to bring them into bed, i had only once sex. im a shy, romantic and conservative guy. i dont think i deserve a slut because i had once sex.

you are not new or virgin
you are not young
you are used goods yourself.
you are fat
you are unattractive
you dont appear very smart
you dont appear to be very emotional strong.
you have self esteem issues



Considering your list of what you want in your fairy tale princess fantasy of a woman.... i got news for you....

you're no princess either bud.

Exactly. The question to anyone make such lofty demands in a mate is:

"What the hell are you yourself bringing of value to the table?"

 

[Mortimer]

Given that, aren't you being a little unfair in asking any potential lady to be a virgin?

i dont think that, im not asking anything, it is just my wish that she is a virgin. no one wants used everyone wants new and it is not like im going around preying on women to bring them into bed, i had only once sex. im a shy, romantic and conservative guy. i dont think i deserve a slut because i had once sex.

you are not new or virgin
you are not young
you are used goods yourself.
you are fat
you are unattractive
you dont appear very smart
you dont appear to be very emotional strong.
you have self esteem issues



Considering your list of what you want in your fairy tale princess fantasy of a woman.... i got news for you....

you're no princess either bud.

so you try to say i need to be more realistic with my wishes. well you are maybe right. compromisses are vital. just like we all would like to be president but we cant, it is like with me and the perfect women. but the difference is i think saving for marriage is good you think virgins are dumb and frigid. the difference lies in the attitude.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

You seem very stuck on this concept of "defiling." What does that mean to you exactly?

i dont know, i think for me maybe women have a too high value. maybe i need to see them more like what they are, just humans. i admire women too much, and i cant stand the thought that some guy cums into their face or mouth. i see women as holy

and that's a great stance to have. BUT you can't treat a woman who has had a long term loving relationship in the past as someone who has been "defiled" just because things didn't work out. there are shades of gray that your extremist mind seems to be missing. and there are less than 50 of them.

 

[syrenn]

Really? But she can call me "fat, ugly gay looser"? And basically "a *****" and all that "nice" stuff etc. And I nowhere said she is a slut

Dude, you've spent this entire thread spewing shit against women who aren't virgins, basically saying that those who aren't virgins, because they didn't **** you first, are nothing more than used sluts.....And you wonder why a lady up here would start hammering you for that stupid shit?

Bottom line, MAN THE **** UP!

Oh, and btw.....your lil' -4 neg rep was ******* laughable......I fully expect to see yours turn to red once a certain person comes up here......Just sayin'

i didnt said anywhere such a Thing. "all women who didnt fucked me first are used sluts". i nowhere said that. when you read my comments i said "there is not only White and Black" there are Grey Shades inbetween and that i call no one dirty. I was attacked after my first post. And got hostility from her. I dont get why she cares so much what makes me happy, if a virgin woman makes me happy why not let me be? I think most guys if they had a Chance would want a virgin woman or at least 50/50 of the guys. But most Guys dont have a choice because they grew up with women who are just not virgins and they cant have one.

A dose of reality and very good advice on becoming a man..... is not an insult.


but i am sure you see it differently.

 

[Mortimer]

I don't think you're in any sort of position to claim how others in this thread value sex. In fact, the rant you just gave is a perfect example of your own insecurities being projected onto others. I'm guessing that one other instant of sex you've personally experienced falls into that category. You hate what you despise about yourself, and blame others as the source of those feelings.

But you identified the true issue here: this is all in your imagination. You have no grounding in reality. You haven't actually experienced a close emotional and physical connection to someone as you describe, so your mind fills in the gaps of your experience. Imagination works well that way but it really is the reason you are getting so much resistance from others in this thread: they know something about actual love and romance that you don't.

i dont see any insecurities, i dont Project anything onto others. well im not experienced when it Comes to sex but i had Close emotional Connections to others, not physical though (but that is because im sexually unexperienced). because i had only once sex doesnt mean i never loved someone.

 

[Mortimer]

You seem very stuck on this concept of "defiling." What does that mean to you exactly?

i dont know, i think for me maybe women have a too high value. maybe i need to see them more like what they are, just humans. i admire women too much, and i cant stand the thought that some guy cums into their face or mouth. i see women as holy

and that's a great stance to have. BUT you can't treat a woman who has had a long term loving relationship in the past as someone who has been "defiled" just because things didn't work out. there are shades of gray that your extremist mind seems to be missing. and there are less than 50 of them.

you are right. there are shades of Grey. and i dont treat women from relationships as defiled. my talk was undifferentiated.

 

[syrenn]

I don't think being a virgin at the age of 30 is a bad thing, but refusing to have sex because you want a virgin is pretty stupid.

I have always been upfront and honest about the fact that at the age of 29, I am yet to lose my virginity. I am not dumb, uptight, or frigid, I just have no interest in sex. The only reason I would have sex is to have a child, no other reason. I can live with that, and I am happy.

But if I did have normal desires, I sure as hell wouldn't be sitting around, posting on a message board, whinging about how I wanted a male virgin, and why can't I find one, and if you aren't a virgin you must be a slut.

InquiringMinds needs to understand that if he going to keep ***** footing around, he will never have marriage and children, because his perfect woman doesn't exist, and if you ask me, virgin women deserve a lot better than he is prepared to offer.

there is nothing wrong with being a virgin. Nothing at all. Its when he gets into the double standard that women who are not virgins are defiled and sluts.... and he somehow is not... where he shows his pathetic colors.

I agree... he brings noting to the table of a relationship at this point as far as i am concerned..... except for a vivid imagination about how sex, women, and the real word work.

 

[Mortimer]

I don't think being a virgin at the age of 30 is a bad thing, but refusing to have sex because you want a virgin is pretty stupid.

I have always been upfront and honest about the fact that at the age of 29, I am yet to lose my virginity. I am not dumb, uptight, or frigid, I just have no interest in sex. The only reason I would have sex is to have a child, no other reason. I can live with that, and I am happy.

But if I did have normal desires, I sure as hell wouldn't be sitting around, posting on a message board, whinging about how I wanted a male virgin, and why can't I find one, and if you aren't a virgin you must be a slut.

InquiringMinds needs to understand that if he going to keep ***** footing around, he will never have marriage and children, because his perfect woman doesn't exist, and if you ask me, virgin women deserve a lot better than he is prepared to offer.

there is nothing wrong with being a virgin. Nothing at all. Its when he gets into the double standard that women who are not virgins are defiled and sluts.... and he somehow is not... where he shows his pathetic colors.

I agree... he brings noting to the table of a relationship at this point as far as i am concerned..... except for a vivid imagination about how sex, women, and the real word work.

i just wrote:
you are right. there are shades of Grey. and i dont treat women from relationships as defiled. my talk was undifferentiated.

i certainly dont mean that every women who is not a virgin anymore is "defiled" and a slut, just that such things exist. a woman can be defiled and be a slut

 

[syrenn]

how important is it to you?

id like to end up with a unkissed virgin, who never had any form of sexual physical contact to a other guy

That way you wouldn't be compared to anyone else right? A little insecure are you?

Sex is not extreme sports for me, to my ideal female i dont need to prove my sexual might, nor does she desires me for my big penis or multiple orgasms i can give her. She loves me because im good to her and because of myself and because im good husband and father. neither does she accept a Marathon in bed every second day. I would be scared away by a nymphomaniac

I have a bad Feeling if I know she was with a other Guy and he had sex with her. The Picture of the Women I love with another Guy makes me sad and frustrated. That is why I prefer one who loved only me. Not because of sexual potence

It is common to degrade males to sex objects and toys of females (as Walking dildos) but to reject if a woman is judged for her sexual value as Sexist. If a woman says "I want a Guy who gives me Orgasm" or "He was a looser with small Penis". He will be the idiot in Society. But if a Guy says "I dont want her she is a slut". He is again the Idiot and Sexist. That is all part of anti-male Sexist double Standards Society we live in.

 

[syrenn]

You are the one who chooses to "pornographicise" normal sexual relations. Could you kindly provide the textbook definition for that "pornographicise".

Further, to my knowledge Snow White was never married to those little bastards she wound up with her Prince Charming. Perhaps you can shed some light on your position. Marriage is a civil construct based in contract.

Dont be ignorant. You provided a distorted Picture of Snow White, not the Traditional Picture of her. It is clear from the Picture that it should say "She had Group Sex with them". There is a bottle of Wine on the table and she smokes a cigarette (after sex cigarette). The Picture is not the Traditional Story.

"After sex cigarette"............ Before that I beleive she was smokin' cigars....seven to be exact....

OK here you go.... a traditional depiction Snow White by Franz Jüttner Schneewittchen 1905 with a very satisfied smile on those lips.

damn... look at the lecherous little fuckers standing around drooling!