VICTORY: Gun-Rights Advocates Score a MAJOR Win in Ohio

[Sunsettommy]

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VICTORY: Gun-Rights Advocates Score a MAJOR Win in Ohio​

BY PAULA BOLYARD MAR 14, 2022

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On Monday afternoon, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine signed into law a bill that removes the state’s training and permitting requirements to carry a concealed handgun in the state.

Senate Bill 215, which takes effect in 90 days, will allow adult residents of the state to lawfully carry a concealed handgun. The law removes requirements for training and obtaining a permit from the local sheriff’s office in order to exercise one’s Second-Amendment right to bear arms in the state of Ohio. The text of the legislation stipulates:

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[The Irish Ram]

 

[SavannahMann]

I live in Georgia, where we have the CCW permit. We’re a Shall Issue state. So other than a small fee to process the paperwork, there isn’t really anything else.

I support that. I support the CCW requirement. I have a CCW. And here is why I support it. When I present it to the Police, they know that I am a law abiding individual. In fact, CCW holders are the least criminal group in the Nation. Police have more criminals, based upon convictions, than CCW personnel.

True story. I was involved in a minor fender bender. No big deal. When the cop showed up I handed him my licenses. Both of them, the CCW underneath the drivers. He looked at it and asked if I was armed. I said I was. He told me to put the gun in my car. I walked to my car, opened the back door, and stuck the gun on the seat. I then turned and showed him my empty hands.

He ran the license and registrations of both parties involved in the minor accident, and then wrote the accident report for the insurance.

Before he departed, he told me that I had handled the interaction about as well as anyone ever had. I didn’t start out screaming I have a gun, and kept it low key.

Without that CCW, the guy carrying the gun, is he carrying legally, or illegally? Is he a criminal who is on his way to rob someone? Or is he a law abiding individual going about his business? The only way to know is to run the individuals through the system to see if they have any felony convictions, or other disqualifying events in their history.

So cops will be running the “good guys” through the system a lot more. Wasting time, wasting resources, and drawing from the few hours a day they have to do their jobs.

A CCW shows that you’re a law abiding individual.

And training? Training would have saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. Take the Brunswick Trio. Georgia has no training requirement. I took a class because I wanted to be sure I understood what the law was. When the story with the McMichaels broke, I knew they had broken the law, because they literally did everything I was told not to do by the Cop teaching the course.

I knew it was illegal to try and place someone under Citizens Arrest if I had not seen them commit a crime. I knew it was illegal to pull my weapon unless there was a reasonable belief of a threat to life. A reasonable belief, that means seeing a weapon or actions by the individual to show danger.

I knew that Travis had committed Aggravated Assault. I knew that they were going to prison for Felony Murder. The cop teaching the course on his day off, told me all of that.

Training would have told Greg and Travis what their rights, and responsibilities, and where those rights ended. They would have avoided Prison for the rest of their lives if they had understood just how much trouble they were going to be in.

Training means you understand what is going on better. You have someone help you understand what is going to be happening if God Forbid you ever need that bang stick. Training means you are better prepared for that day, and increase your own chances of survival, and help you avoid Criminal Prosecution because you didn’t have a clue what the law said.

And the law says things you may think is wrong, but that is what your actions will be judged by.

I support Concealed Carry. I support the Second. I also support Law enforcement in making their jobs easier, and safer.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Another victory for the Constitution.

DeWine signs bill removing concealed gun training, permits

The measure, dubbed “Constitutional Carry” by its backers, is one of several GOP-backed proposals in recent years seeking to expand gun rights in Ohio.

www.10tv.com

 

[White 6]

Another victory for the Constitution.

DeWine signs bill removing concealed gun training, permits

The measure, dubbed “Constitutional Carry” by its backers, is one of several GOP-backed proposals in recent years seeking to expand gun rights in Ohio.

www.10tv.com

The way they worded it, it sounds anti-cop, not even removing the requirement to tell a cop you are carrying, if stopped.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Posted this yesterday.

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[Sunsettommy]

The way they worded it, it sounds anti-cop, not even removing the requirement to tell a cop you are carrying, if stopped.

It removes an unnecessary step in the stop since they can't take the gun away from you without cause.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I live in Georgia, where we have the CCW permit. We’re a Shall Issue state. So other than a small fee to process the paperwork, there isn’t really anything else.

I support that. I support the CCW requirement. I have a CCW. And here is why I support it. When I present it to the Police, they know that I am a law abiding individual. In fact, CCW holders are the least criminal group in the Nation. Police have more criminals, based upon convictions, than CCW personnel.

True story. I was involved in a minor fender bender. No big deal. When the cop showed up I handed him my licenses. Both of them, the CCW underneath the drivers. He looked at it and asked if I was armed. I said I was. He told me to put the gun in my car. I walked to my car, opened the back door, and stuck the gun on the seat. I then turned and showed him my empty hands.

He ran the license and registrations of both parties involved in the minor accident, and then wrote the accident report for the insurance.

Before he departed, he told me that I had handled the interaction about as well as anyone ever had. I didn’t start out screaming I have a gun, and kept it low key.

Without that CCW, the guy carrying the gun, is he carrying legally, or illegally? Is he a criminal who is on his way to rob someone? Or is he a law abiding individual going about his business? The only way to know is to run the individuals through the system to see if they have any felony convictions, or other disqualifying events in their history.

So cops will be running the “good guys” through the system a lot more. Wasting time, wasting resources, and drawing from the few hours a day they have to do their jobs.

A CCW shows that you’re a law abiding individual.

And training? Training would have saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. Take the Brunswick Trio. Georgia has no training requirement. I took a class because I wanted to be sure I understood what the law was. When the story with the McMichaels broke, I knew they had broken the law, because they literally did everything I was told not to do by the Cop teaching the course.

I knew it was illegal to try and place someone under Citizens Arrest if I had not seen them commit a crime. I knew it was illegal to pull my weapon unless there was a reasonable belief of a threat to life. A reasonable belief, that means seeing a weapon or actions by the individual to show danger.

I knew that Travis had committed Aggravated Assault. I knew that they were going to prison for Felony Murder. The cop teaching the course on his day off, told me all of that.

Training would have told Greg and Travis what their rights, and responsibilities, and where those rights ended. They would have avoided Prison for the rest of their lives if they had understood just how much trouble they were going to be in.

Training means you understand what is going on better. You have someone help you understand what is going to be happening if God Forbid you ever need that bang stick. Training means you are better prepared for that day, and increase your own chances of survival, and help you avoid Criminal Prosecution because you didn’t have a clue what the law said.

And the law says things you may think is wrong, but that is what your actions will be judged by.

I support Concealed Carry. I support the Second. I also support Law enforcement in making their jobs easier, and safer.

Carrying a gun isn't probable cause. That would be like saying someone who has cash in their pocket might be going to buy drugs.

The constitutional carry laws don't mean you can't get a CCW permit. It means one isn't required, as it should be. Anyone who wants to get a permit is free to get one and anyone who travels to states that don't have constitutional carry will need a CCW permit.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The way they worded it, it sounds anti-cop, not even removing the requirement to tell a cop you are carrying, if stopped.

A law abiding citizen will inform the officer of the presence of a CCW. A criminal won't. A criminal won't have a CCW permit, either.

 

[White 6]

A law abiding citizen will inform the officer of the presence of a CCW. A criminal won't. A criminal won't have a CCW permit, either.

Good luck at traffic stops in Ohio. An officer's first duty is to come home alive at end of shift.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Good luck at traffic stops in Ohio. An officer's first duty is to come home alive at end of shift.

Thats why I'm going to inform an officer that I'm strapped. Hell, I've show an officer my CCW permit, when I wasn't strapped and told him there were no weapons in the vehicle, except for the buck knife in my front right pants pocket.

You're preaching to the choir, bro.

Like I said, a law abiding person will inform the cop of the presence of a firearm. A criminal won't.

 

[marvin martian]

I live in Georgia, where we have the CCW permit. We’re a Shall Issue state. So other than a small fee to process the paperwork, there isn’t really anything else.

I support that. I support the CCW requirement. I have a CCW. And here is why I support it. When I present it to the Police, they know that I am a law abiding individual. In fact, CCW holders are the least criminal group in the Nation. Police have more criminals, based upon convictions, than CCW personnel.

True story. I was involved in a minor fender bender. No big deal. When the cop showed up I handed him my licenses. Both of them, the CCW underneath the drivers. He looked at it and asked if I was armed. I said I was. He told me to put the gun in my car. I walked to my car, opened the back door, and stuck the gun on the seat. I then turned and showed him my empty hands.

He ran the license and registrations of both parties involved in the minor accident, and then wrote the accident report for the insurance.

Before he departed, he told me that I had handled the interaction about as well as anyone ever had. I didn’t start out screaming I have a gun, and kept it low key.

Without that CCW, the guy carrying the gun, is he carrying legally, or illegally? Is he a criminal who is on his way to rob someone? Or is he a law abiding individual going about his business? The only way to know is to run the individuals through the system to see if they have any felony convictions, or other disqualifying events in their history.

So cops will be running the “good guys” through the system a lot more. Wasting time, wasting resources, and drawing from the few hours a day they have to do their jobs.

A CCW shows that you’re a law abiding individual.

And training? Training would have saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. Take the Brunswick Trio. Georgia has no training requirement. I took a class because I wanted to be sure I understood what the law was. When the story with the McMichaels broke, I knew they had broken the law, because they literally did everything I was told not to do by the Cop teaching the course.

I knew it was illegal to try and place someone under Citizens Arrest if I had not seen them commit a crime. I knew it was illegal to pull my weapon unless there was a reasonable belief of a threat to life. A reasonable belief, that means seeing a weapon or actions by the individual to show danger.

I knew that Travis had committed Aggravated Assault. I knew that they were going to prison for Felony Murder. The cop teaching the course on his day off, told me all of that.

Training would have told Greg and Travis what their rights, and responsibilities, and where those rights ended. They would have avoided Prison for the rest of their lives if they had understood just how much trouble they were going to be in.

Training means you understand what is going on better. You have someone help you understand what is going to be happening if God Forbid you ever need that bang stick. Training means you are better prepared for that day, and increase your own chances of survival, and help you avoid Criminal Prosecution because you didn’t have a clue what the law said.

And the law says things you may think is wrong, but that is what your actions will be judged by.

I support Concealed Carry. I support the Second. I also support Law enforcement in making their jobs easier, and safer.

Georgia will be constitutional carry by the end of the year. In fact, it's likely that 26 states will be constitutional carry by the end of the year. Anti-civil rights gun laws will be a minority soon, as they should be.

26 states have either passed or are in the process of adopting constitutional carry laws

Ohio became the 23rd state to sign constitutional carry into law on Monday.

justthenews.com

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Georgia will be constitutional carry by the end of the year. In fact, it's likely that 26 states will be constitutional carry by the end of the year. Anti-civil rights gun laws will be a minority soon, as they should be.

26 states have either passed or are in the process of adopting constitutional carry laws

Ohio became the 23rd state to sign constitutional carry into law on Monday.

justthenews.com

37 states make "three fourths of the states"

 

[M14 Shooter]

Hooray us!
I'll still renew my permit, though - allows me to carry in all the other states I go to.

 

[White 6]

Thats why I'm going to inform an officer that I'm strapped. Hell, I've show an officer my CCW permit, when I wasn't strapped and told him there were no weapons in the vehicle, except for the buck knife in my front right pants pocket.

You're preaching to the choir, bro.

Like I said, a law abiding person will inform the cop of the presence of a firearm. A criminal won't.

Smart move. I didn't know you were ccw, bona fide good guy. Yes, I hand them both and let them ask.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Good luck at traffic stops in Ohio. An officer's first duty is to come home alive at end of shift.

Ah. You speak from ignorance.
The last three times I was stopped, I had to force the officer to acknowledge the fact I told him I was carrying.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Smart move. I didn't know you were ccw, bona fide good guy. Yes, I hand them both and let them ask.

Im s good guy without one...lol. The manner in which I present myself tells the officer I'm not a threat.

 

[White 6]

Ah. You speak from ignorance.
The last three times I was stopped, I had to force the officer to acknowledge the fact I told him I was carrying.

Sounds like an ignorant officer, if he did not acknowledge, ask it's location and request you keep your hands in sight. Doubt he will make it to retirement if he does not move up and get off the street soon.

 

[SavannahMann]

Georgia will be constitutional carry by the end of the year. In fact, it's likely that 26 states will be constitutional carry by the end of the year. Anti-civil rights gun laws will be a minority soon, as they should be.

26 states have either passed or are in the process of adopting constitutional carry laws

Ohio became the 23rd state to sign constitutional carry into law on Monday.

justthenews.com

Georgia is liable to be a Democratic State by the end of the year. With Trump screwing up the Republicans, the odds of them holding the statewide offices and legislature is less than even money.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Sounds like an ignorant officer,...

Three, on three separate occasions. Trooper and 2 deputies.

Doubt he will make it to retirement if he does not move up and get off the street soon.

Another statement of abject ignorance.