VICTORY: Gun-Rights Advocates Score a MAJOR Win in Ohio

[progressive hunter]

Are you as certain of that as you were that the McMichaels were going to be found Not Guilty?

that was an opinion,,
we are talking about laws,,

are you going to prove me wrong and produce a law that says threats are illegal and needing a permit to do the rights stated in the first amendment or any of the others??

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You can not marry multiple wives. No matter what Religion you practice. Shall I give other religious examples?

Freedom of speech does not include threats.

So yes. Your speech is restricted.

Every single right has exceptions and restrictions. You may think it shouldn’t. But it does.

I do not need the government's permission to walk down the street and talk to someone about Jesus.

I do not need the government's permission to say a prayer while sitting on a bus or stopped at a red light in my car.

Why should I need the the government's permission to walk down the street carrying a firearm?

 

[SavannahMann]

that was an opinion,,
we are talking about laws,,

are you going to prove me wrong and produce a law that says threats are illegal and needing a permit to do the rights stated in the first amendment or any of the others??

I’ve already proven you wrong. You can’t marry multiple wives no matter your religion.

Threats are illegal.

True Threats

A true threat is a statement meant to frighten people into believing they will be seriously harmed by the speaker. True threats are not protected by the First Amendment.

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And you were certain of the law when you were insisting everyone was wrong about it during the McMichaels trial. The problem is you don’t want to believe the law says what it actually says. You want it to say what you think it should. And there be the problem.

Permit to exercise free speech.

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You should spend less time ranting online, and more time reading to fill the paucity of knowledge you have.

 

[progressive hunter]

I’ve already proven you wrong. You can’t marry multiple wives no matter your religion.

Threats are illegal.

True Threats

A true threat is a statement meant to frighten people into believing they will be seriously harmed by the speaker. True threats are not protected by the First Amendment.

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Homepage

The Freedom Forum’s mission is to foster First Amendment freedoms for all.

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And you were certain of the law when you were insisting everyone was wrong about it during the McMichaels trial. The problem is you don’t want to believe the law says what it actually says. You want it to say what you think it should. And there be the problem.

Permit to exercise free speech.

Know Your Rights | Protesters’ Rights | ACLU

The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. However, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. Make sure you’re prepared by brushing up on your rights before heading out...

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You should spend less time ranting online, and more time reading to fill the paucity of knowledge you have.

so there are no laws against threats,, its OK knew there wasnt,,

now what about permits??

 

[Shawnee_b]

I live in Georgia, where we have the CCW permit. We’re a Shall Issue state. So other than a small fee to process the paperwork, there isn’t really anything else.

I support that. I support the CCW requirement. I have a CCW. And here is why I support it. When I present it to the Police, they know that I am a law abiding individual. In fact, CCW holders are the least criminal group in the Nation. Police have more criminals, based upon convictions, than CCW personnel.

True story. I was involved in a minor fender bender. No big deal. When the cop showed up I handed him my licenses. Both of them, the CCW underneath the drivers. He looked at it and asked if I was armed. I said I was. He told me to put the gun in my car. I walked to my car, opened the back door, and stuck the gun on the seat. I then turned and showed him my empty hands.

He ran the license and registrations of both parties involved in the minor accident, and then wrote the accident report for the insurance.

Before he departed, he told me that I had handled the interaction about as well as anyone ever had. I didn’t start out screaming I have a gun, and kept it low key.

Without that CCW, the guy carrying the gun, is he carrying legally, or illegally? Is he a criminal who is on his way to rob someone? Or is he a law abiding individual going about his business? The only way to know is to run the individuals through the system to see if they have any felony convictions, or other disqualifying events in their history.

So cops will be running the “good guys” through the system a lot more. Wasting time, wasting resources, and drawing from the few hours a day they have to do their jobs.

A CCW shows that you’re a law abiding individual.

And training? Training would have saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. Take the Brunswick Trio. Georgia has no training requirement. I took a class because I wanted to be sure I understood what the law was. When the story with the McMichaels broke, I knew they had broken the law, because they literally did everything I was told not to do by the Cop teaching the course.

I knew it was illegal to try and place someone under Citizens Arrest if I had not seen them commit a crime. I knew it was illegal to pull my weapon unless there was a reasonable belief of a threat to life. A reasonable belief, that means seeing a weapon or actions by the individual to show danger.

I knew that Travis had committed Aggravated Assault. I knew that they were going to prison for Felony Murder. The cop teaching the course on his day off, told me all of that.

Training would have told Greg and Travis what their rights, and responsibilities, and where those rights ended. They would have avoided Prison for the rest of their lives if they had understood just how much trouble they were going to be in.

Training means you understand what is going on better. You have someone help you understand what is going to be happening if God Forbid you ever need that bang stick. Training means you are better prepared for that day, and increase your own chances of survival, and help you avoid Criminal Prosecution because you didn’t have a clue what the law said.

And the law says things you may think is wrong, but that is what your actions will be judged by.

I support Concealed Carry. I support the Second. I also support Law enforcement in making their jobs easier, and safer.

Something not thought of. CCW is concealer weapons. With my KY ccw I can carry a switch blade, nunchuks, stars, anything if it's concealed. KY went Ok constitutional carry, but pistols, or anything? I dunno but keep my ccw up to date. I have renewed it since CC. Like my auto knives.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

You can not marry multiple wives. No matter what Religion you practice. Shall I give other religious examples?

Freedom of speech does not include threats.

So yes. Your speech is restricted.

Every single right has exceptions and restrictions. You may think it shouldn’t. But it does.

Yes you can. You can't get a marriage license from the state and the marriages won't be legally recognized by the state, but if you want to have a marriage ceremony and marry multiple work and move them into your home, there's absolutely nothing the government can do about it.

Give me another one so I can destroy that one, too.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Permit to exercise free speech.

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You should spend less time ranting online, and more time reading to fill the paucity of knowledge you have.

The permit is not to exercise free speech, it is for so while" blocking traffic or street closure; a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or a rally over a certain size at most parks or plazas.".

The permit is not for the speech, it is for the disruption.

 

[marvin martian]

This is rightwing political theater only, given the fact that requiring a license to carry a concealed firearm is perfectly Constitutional, in no manner violating the Second Amendment.

^^^This is how fascists like you have tried to turn self-defense into a civil right only the wealthy can afford. Do you support poll taxes, too? I'll bet you do.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I’ve already proven you wrong. You can’t marry multiple wives no matter your religion.

Threats are illegal.

True Threats

A true threat is a statement meant to frighten people into believing they will be seriously harmed by the speaker. True threats are not protected by the First Amendment.

www.mtsu.edu

Homepage

The Freedom Forum’s mission is to foster First Amendment freedoms for all.

www.freedomforuminstitute.org

And you were certain of the law when you were insisting everyone was wrong about it during the McMichaels trial. The problem is you don’t want to believe the law says what it actually says. You want it to say what you think it should. And there be the problem.

Permit to exercise free speech.

Know Your Rights | Protesters’ Rights | ACLU

The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. However, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. Make sure you’re prepared by brushing up on your rights before heading out...

www.aclu.org

You should spend less time ranting online, and more time reading to fill the paucity of knowledge you have.

Pointing a gun at someone who isn't a threat is illegal, too.

 

[woodwork201]

I live in Georgia, where we have the CCW permit. We’re a Shall Issue state. So other than a small fee to process the paperwork, there isn’t really anything else.

I support that. I support the CCW requirement. I have a CCW. And here is why I support it. When I present it to the Police, they know that I am a law abiding individual. In fact, CCW holders are the least criminal group in the Nation. Police have more criminals, based upon convictions, than CCW personnel.

True story. I was involved in a minor fender bender. No big deal. When the cop showed up I handed him my licenses. Both of them, the CCW underneath the drivers. He looked at it and asked if I was armed. I said I was. He told me to put the gun in my car. I walked to my car, opened the back door, and stuck the gun on the seat. I then turned and showed him my empty hands.

He ran the license and registrations of both parties involved in the minor accident, and then wrote the accident report for the insurance.

Before he departed, he told me that I had handled the interaction about as well as anyone ever had. I didn’t start out screaming I have a gun, and kept it low key.

Without that CCW, the guy carrying the gun, is he carrying legally, or illegally? Is he a criminal who is on his way to rob someone? Or is he a law abiding individual going about his business? The only way to know is to run the individuals through the system to see if they have any felony convictions, or other disqualifying events in their history.

So cops will be running the “good guys” through the system a lot more. Wasting time, wasting resources, and drawing from the few hours a day they have to do their jobs.

A CCW shows that you’re a law abiding individual.

And training? Training would have saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. Take the Brunswick Trio. Georgia has no training requirement. I took a class because I wanted to be sure I understood what the law was. When the story with the McMichaels broke, I knew they had broken the law, because they literally did everything I was told not to do by the Cop teaching the course.

I knew it was illegal to try and place someone under Citizens Arrest if I had not seen them commit a crime. I knew it was illegal to pull my weapon unless there was a reasonable belief of a threat to life. A reasonable belief, that means seeing a weapon or actions by the individual to show danger.

I knew that Travis had committed Aggravated Assault. I knew that they were going to prison for Felony Murder. The cop teaching the course on his day off, told me all of that.

Training would have told Greg and Travis what their rights, and responsibilities, and where those rights ended. They would have avoided Prison for the rest of their lives if they had understood just how much trouble they were going to be in.

Training means you understand what is going on better. You have someone help you understand what is going to be happening if God Forbid you ever need that bang stick. Training means you are better prepared for that day, and increase your own chances of survival, and help you avoid Criminal Prosecution because you didn’t have a clue what the law said.

And the law says things you may think is wrong, but that is what your actions will be judged by.

I support Concealed Carry. I support the Second. I also support Law enforcement in making their jobs easier, and safer.

What you showed is that you're an ass-kissing, boot-licking, subservient, tool of the State who really doesn't care a bit about liberty or gun rights but are happier with gun-privilege and permission from your masters.

 

[woodwork201]

A law abiding citizen will inform the officer of the presence of a CCW. A criminal won't. A criminal won't have a CCW permit, either.

Why would you tell him? What does your carrying a gun have to do with your traffic stop? Is your gun a threat that the cop needs to know about and by telling him you make sure you don't give into temptation?

Some states require that you tell, which is completely asinine in my view, but if not, why is it even a topic of discussion.

 

[woodwork201]

I do not need the government's permission to walk down the street and talk to someone about Jesus.

I do not need the government's permission to say a prayer while sitting on a bus or stopped at a red light in my car.

Why should I need the the government's permission to walk down the street carrying a firearm?

But just to be clear, if you're carrying a pocket Bible you do make sure to tell the cop that you have it - for his own religious safety, right? And give him your pocket Constitution as your evidence that you can carry the Bible legally?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

It's all moot.

As soon as Mrs Jackson takes her seat at the SCOTUS...you can kiss all your gun rights good bye.

No matter what she may say now about your "fundamental rights", she's a hard core Leftist progressive Marxist and she will betray her own words (and your rights) before the rooster crows three times.

Trusting a Progressive Marxist with your rights is like trusting you'll get the honest truth from Joy Behr and The View.

 

[woodwork201]

A license isn't required to own private property, engage in the free exercise of religion, engage in free speech, petition the government for redress of grievances, or vote. So yeah, you can bet your happy ass requiring a CCW permit is unconstitutional.

So the CCW is unconstitutional but you can't wait to whip out your proof of compliance, even if not required, when a cop pulls you over?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Why would you tell him? What does your carrying a gun have to do with your traffic stop? Is your gun a threat that the cop needs to know about and by telling him you make sure you don't give into temptation?

Some states require that you tell, which is completely asinine in my view, but if not, why is it even a topic of discussion.

So true.
I'm sure every time they pull over drug dealers, gang members or violent felons they ALWAYS politely tell cops they have a weapon onboard.

Obviously, this is ONLY about harassing the law abiding.

 

[surada]

Predictable whining from leftists in 3...2...1 Zzzzz....

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VICTORY: Gun-Rights Advocates Score a MAJOR Win in Ohio​

BY PAULA BOLYARD MAR 14, 2022

Excerpt:

On Monday afternoon, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine signed into law a bill that removes the state’s training and permitting requirements to carry a concealed handgun in the state.

Senate Bill 215, which takes effect in 90 days, will allow adult residents of the state to lawfully carry a concealed handgun. The law removes requirements for training and obtaining a permit from the local sheriff’s office in order to exercise one’s Second-Amendment right to bear arms in the state of Ohio. The text of the legislation stipulates:

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With few exceptions Georgians can carry guns now. Seems crazy to me . We have a lot of shootings over bullshit already.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Georgia will be constitutional carry by the end of the year. In fact, it's likely that 26 states will be constitutional carry by the end of the year. Anti-civil rights gun laws will be a minority soon, as they should be.

26 states have either passed or are in the process of adopting constitutional carry laws

Ohio became the 23rd state to sign constitutional carry into law on Monday.

justthenews.com

EVERY state is already a "Criminal Carry" state. The only ones affected are those following the law.
"Constitutional carry" simply brings the playing field closer to level for those who do abide by the law.

As far as that minority thing.......not so sure.
If that Marxist Progressive biden nominated gets a SCOTUS seat you can all but kiss the 2A goodbye.
She's lying through her teeth if she claims otherwise during the hearings.

 

[woodwork201]

Sorry….when he ran your make he would know if you were a criminal or had outstanding warrants…..the license doesn’t help you with him. Without the license you tell him you have the gun and the exact same sequence of events happens…….if you pop as a criminal he then knows your gun is illegal and can arrest you…..but the criminal isn’t going to admit to the gun in the first place…….so the license is really pointless

And any cop that makes any change in behavior toward someone just because they have a CCW is an idiot cop. Just as we treat them with respect and dignity, cops need to remember to treat those with whom they interact with respect and dignity - and with all the caution necessary to give themselves the best chance of going home alive.

Here's a cop that was killed by a CCW holder. It doesn't matter that the killer is one in a million CCW holders. Showing your CCW should get the holder nothing but it does show that they're a compliant bootlicker.

Officer mourned, suspect arraigned

Hundreds honor policeman Joshua Miktarian at Twinsburg vigil <li> <a href=http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/07/officers_gun_remained_holstere.html>Full story, video, photos and post your condolences</a>

www.cleveland.com

 

[woodwork201]

Here's a CCW holder who told the police he had a gun and a license to carry it. Telling the police that got him shot dead on live Facebook streaming.

Watch: Concealed carry gun owner 'reaches for wallet,' shot dead by police in Falcon heights [graphic]

"...never seen a video from that pov before. Something about it makes it that much real."

www.bizpacreview.com

 

[SavannahMann]

What you showed is that you're an ass-kissing, boot-licking, subservient, tool of the State who really doesn't care a bit about liberty or gun rights but are happier with gun-privilege and permission from your masters.

In Georgia you can carry a loaded gun in your car without a permit. With one restriction. It can’t be set up for a quick draw under your seat. Without a permit.

You can carry on private property. You can transport it from point to point. You can take it hunting if you have a hunting license.

Last year. Two idiots and their friend were sentenced to Life in prison. They had no training as private citizens about what the law actually said. Daddy was thinking like a cop.

Let’s give you a scenario. You come across a guy trying to steal your car. You break out your gun. You hold the guy at gunpoint until the cops arrive. Who is going to jail?

In Georgia. You definitely are. You just committed two Felonies. Aggravated Assault and False Imprisonment.

That is the reality. Blame me if you want a handy target.

About 10% of those who applied for Permits were denied. One in ten were prohibited in a Shall Issue State. So without those permits, at least 10% of the “law abiding folks” at least in their minds, will be committing Felonies. Felonies.