Vermont approves single payer plan

[Vox]

Why is it wrong for doctors and hospitals to want to make a profit?

it is wrong to make a profit for leftards altogether

 

[Katzndogz]

Maybe the illegals now killing hospitals in Connecticut will hike on over to Vermont.

The Day - Undocumented immigrants to strain safety-net hospitals in Connecticut | News from southeastern Connecticut

 

[SwimExpert]

I wonder if those living in Vermont will have to show a state provided ID to get these new medical benefits.

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The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

 

[FA_Q2]

I wonder if those living in Vermont will have to show a state provided ID to get these new medical benefits.

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The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

And yet that is not how it works. There are services that are NOT provided to out of state residents at the same cost as residents such as community colleges. I guarantee that it will work under the same manner if not a launch, soon after.

 

[FA_Q2]

The end goal of the reactionary plutocrats is to privatize everything, outlaw unions and collective bargaining and become a paradise like Saudi Arabia.

Look how well it has worked for prison owners.

They're making a bundle and all they have to do is keep locking up black people.

It's insane. We're privatizing the very things that should be the sole purview of government, and socializing everything that ought to be a private concern. Curiouser and curiouser....

Bingo.

Private entities do not belong in the prison business under any circumstances whatsoever (it is slave labor) and the government does not belong in my doctor’s office yet we have the exact opposite. Sad

 

[SwimExpert]

I wonder if those living in Vermont will have to show a state provided ID to get these new medical benefits.

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The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

And yet that is not how it works. There are services that are NOT provided to out of state residents at the same cost as residents such as community colleges. I guarantee that it will work under the same manner if not a launch, soon after.

Except there's one problem. What happens when you take a vacation to Vermont to go skiing, and break your leg on the slopes? Are you going to have to drive to Connecticut? Or is Vermont going to let you tap their single payer hospitals?

 

[beagle9]

Why is it wrong for doctors and hospitals to want to make a profit?

it is wrong to make a profit for leftards altogether

Never has been wrong to make a profit, and yall know it, but it is wrong to make a profit in ways that is corrupt in it's making or in ways that disrespect severely the ones for whom helped make that profit. The only way that the government is taking advantage today in order to gain power, is because so many have been doing wrong and they (the government knows it). Why do they (the government) know it ? It's because a lot of the profits that have been made these days, especially in a serious decline found in the markets or market place, is because the money is coming from government that is helping to sustain them in such a dry market place is how they know it. Once so much money is being spent by government, and the tax payers begin hollering to the roof tops, then government has to turn and try to slow itself back down a bit, but then the private sector begins crying to government not to slow down their input, because if it does then they will suffer greatly (not to forget to mention the lobbyist who helped elect certain members of the government) We know that they do this just so the government would be connected or joined at their hips along the way to them (scratching each others backs you see). It's all connected in some form or another, it's just up to the people to finally realize this in order to figure out how to deal with the pro's and the con's found in it all.

 

[beagle9]

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And yet that is not how it works. There are services that are NOT provided to out of state residents at the same cost as residents such as community colleges. I guarantee that it will work under the same manner if not a launch, soon after.

Except there's one problem. What happens when you take a vacation to Vermont to go skiing, and break your leg on the slopes? Are you going to have to drive to Connecticut? Or is Vermont going to let you tap their single payer hospitals?

Hmm, wouldn't it be that the system of single payer would be for the citizens of Vermont only, and then if you are an outsider or a visitor to the state, that you would be billed as an outsider or your insurance company from the state that you would be from would be billed by the state of Vermont ? Just wondering how the discussion is going here, but forgive me if I jumped in without actually knowing how these things work. I just try and use common sense on something, where as I'm always thinking that others have done this also when creating or doing something like single payer for a single state.

 

[SwimExpert]

And yet that is not how it works. There are services that are NOT provided to out of state residents at the same cost as residents such as community colleges. I guarantee that it will work under the same manner if not a launch, soon after.

Except there's one problem. What happens when you take a vacation to Vermont to go skiing, and break your leg on the slopes? Are you going to have to drive to Connecticut? Or is Vermont going to let you tap their single payer hospitals?

Hmm, wouldn't it be that the system of single payer would be for the citizens of Vermont only, and then if you are an outsider or a visitor to the state, that you would be billed as an outsider or your insurance company from the state that you would be from would be billed by the state of Vermont ? Just wondering how the discussion is going here, but forgive me if I jumped in without actually knowing how these things work. I just try and use common sense on something, where as I'm always thinking that others have done this also when creating or doing something like single payer for a single state.

It might turn out that way. Don't know. Not sure they've even thought about it. But if they don't have something set up, and the state ends up flat out denying visiting non-residents medical treatment, litigation will ensue.

 

[beagle9]

Except there's one problem. What happens when you take a vacation to Vermont to go skiing, and break your leg on the slopes? Are you going to have to drive to Connecticut? Or is Vermont going to let you tap their single payer hospitals?

Hmm, wouldn't it be that the system of single payer would be for the citizens of Vermont only, and then if you are an outsider or a visitor to the state, that you would be billed as an outsider or your insurance company from the state that you would be from would be billed by the state of Vermont ? Just wondering how the discussion is going here, but forgive me if I jumped in without actually knowing how these things work. I just try and use common sense on something, where as I'm always thinking that others have done this also when creating or doing something like single payer for a single state.

It might turn out that way. Don't know. Not sure they've even thought about it. But if they don't have something set up, and the state ends up flat out denying visiting non-residents medical treatment, litigation will ensue.

I don't believe that anyone would be denied treatment, but only that they would be charged for their services in a manor that is appropriate under their coverage back home or out of their own pocket if they can afford that also. If they don't have any coverage back home or they don't have money in their own pockets, then what are they doing riding around the country visiting other states, I mean if they are that broke in life ? If a person does happen to end up in Vermont, and they are broke, then I guess Vermont will do what everyone else will do with people like this, and that is that they will qualify the person for federal government assistance in such a matter. Right ?

 

[dblack]

Look how well it has worked for prison owners.

They're making a bundle and all they have to do is keep locking up black people.

It's insane. We're privatizing the very things that should be the sole purview of government, and socializing everything that ought to be a private concern. Curiouser and curiouser....

Bingo.

Private entities do not belong in the prison business under any circumstances whatsoever (it is slave labor) and the government does not belong in my doctor’s office yet we have the exact opposite. Sad

The idea doesn't seem to get much attention, but I see us turning the foundations of our democracy inside out. Equal protection, individual rights, presumption of innocence - all these basic concepts are being perverted into their opposites before our eyes. And hardly anyone seems to care.

 

[Norman]

This is much worse than single payer. They are outlawing private care by banning profits.

One size fits all approach is terrible when it comes to health care. Yes, I would be worried about the freeloaders entering in from other states, but even more so I would be worried about the residents having to go elsewhere for their health care needs. For if the system doesn't cover what you need, you are out of luck. And of course, the system probably won't cover what you need as the quality will have to be reduced or otherwise everybody will want it and there will be huge lines and escalating tax payer costs.

 

[Norman]

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And yet that is not how it works. There are services that are NOT provided to out of state residents at the same cost as residents such as community colleges. I guarantee that it will work under the same manner if not a launch, soon after.

Except there's one problem. What happens when you take a vacation to Vermont to go skiing, and break your leg on the slopes? Are you going to have to drive to Connecticut? Or is Vermont going to let you tap their single payer hospitals?

Well, the insurance could cover the costs to the single payer hospitals. But in the case you don't have an insurance... I am not sure whether they would bill you or not. I also wonder whether you have to generally pay some fees for treatment like is usually the case with single payer.

 

[beagle9]

This is much worse than single payer. They are outlawing private care by banning profits.

One size fits all approach is terrible when it comes to health care. Yes, I would be worried about the freeloaders entering in from other states, but even more so I would be worried about the residents having to go elsewhere for their health care needs. For if the system doesn't cover what you need, you are out of luck. And of course, the system probably won't cover what you need as the quality will have to be reduced or otherwise everybody will want it and there will be huge lines and escalating tax payer costs.

What should happen under single payer in a state (IMHO), is that if a person has a special situation going on with their health, and they have to leave the state to get the right help for their unique problems, then the state ought to Ok that trip outside the system with no problem. Nothing should be an issue where people are denied the proper care that is needed, and so it should be afforded to the person in such a situation upon review, and this by doctors orders. Now the rest should remain in state for their regular visits and routine care found under a state rule for routine care and/or such visits, (unless out vacationing or family traveling and/or etc.) is involved of course.

Now if one is traveling, and an incident happens out of state, then the state ought to have issued a card that can be used outside of the state for all it's citizens for whom travel or will be traveling. Example: A red card would be for instate usage, and a blue card would be for all out of state usage during travel. Now for the doctor ordered specialized or specialist services rendered out of state, then a white card could be issued and used for those services. How does this sound for managing such a system maybe ? Just thinking out loud is all. B )

Different color cards (Red, White and Blue) could be listed under different accounts, and this way the state would know what account is being used the most and why it is being used the most. Of course this would all be for the possible bettering of the states program constantly under study.

It should be for all State citizens who are involved in the program Single Payer in that state. Outsiders must bring their own insurance with them or be qualified for federal assistance if somehow ended up in the state, where they some how fell ill for some reason or they got hurt somehow, and therefore they needed emergency care in some form or another, but they have no insurance.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Vermont Approves Single-Payer Health Care: "Everybody In, Nobody Out"

Looks promising ................

yeah, it's off to a great start, Dudley.

Vermont's Single-Payer System Falling Short Already | National Review Online

 

[Bombur]

Nonprofit doesn't mean the doctors don't get paid a lot. The real restriction would be how VT establishes what they pay for services. If a bunch of hospitals go under people will start complaining or those hospitals will be replaced by more efficient ones.

 

[beagle9]

I'm confused as to why people seem to want to applaud health care failing no matter what is tried on it. It is thee most important thing that people need, yet it is caught up in politics, greed, profit and all in which has nothing to do with making people healthy and empowered in their lives.

 

[dblack]

I'm confused as to why people seem to want to applaud health care failing no matter what is tried on it. It is thee most important thing that people need, yet it is caught up in politics, greed, profit and all in which has nothing to do with making people healthy and empowered in their lives.

Come on. No one is applauding "health care failing". People are applauding the failure of those whom, rightly or wrongly, they believe are trying to control health care for motives of politics, greed, and profit.

 

[AntiParty]

What happens when Ted Cruz shuts down the Government and everyone has the single payer system?

 

[dblack]

What happens when Ted Cruz shuts down the Government and everyone has the single payer system?

We'd probably have to resort to some kind of insane, barbaric scheme of paying doctors ourselves!