Vermont approves single payer plan

[martybegan]

Not the same at all, and you know it, marty.

Physicians don't get to abuse their oath than any worker gets to abuse the system.

They will do well.

Nope, they will leave. They will go places that the government does not set the rates of reimbursement. They will leave and all that will be left will be the doctors too lazy or to uncaring to not leave, with a small smattering of the self-righteous who remain out of a moral duty.

Quality will suffer because the government will penny pinch, and if you have a complaint, you can go to the government to complain about the government, and then watch the government tell you to pound sand.

One, any loss will be easily offset by state programs to encourage doctors to come to VT.

Two, quality will improve because doctors can do what they were trained to do because they don't have private industry bean counters pinching pennies.

You are a clown, my friend.

But if you don't like it, then never get sick or injured in VT.

So you get government bean counters to take their place?

Lol, you are such a naïve twat.

 

[martybegan]

Doctors, nurses and hospitals will love working for solid salaries and benefits and profits.

The insurance companies brought this on themselves.

A doctor doesnt go to Med school for 4 years, intern for 1, and then residences for at least 3 to have a "solid salary."

If you want your doctors to be at the same skill level as line workers in a factory, keep promising them that.

Wrong.

Doctors don't go into private practice at the rate they used to because they had to work killer hours, never saw their families, lived with no sleep, died young of the very stress-related ailments their patients did AND they still have to chase down every payment.

Now, those same doctors practice in large clinics. They pool their resources and lose a lot less money.

Nowadays, if you go to the emergency room, they do not call your primary care physician in to see you. You are now seen by the er doctor or the hospitalist while your own doctor sleeps through the night.

and in Vermont that ER doctor will be paid as little as possible by the government penny pusher in charge, and he will leave Vermont.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

ER doctors are horrible for anything other than trama.
The best doctors are the ones that have their own multi-doctor practice. I don't know what planet Duddley lives on, but "hospital -employee" doctors went by the wayside 40 years ago.
Right now...my wifes step mother who is a Mexican citizen...LEFT MEXICO'S SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM to come to America to get cancer treatment. NO WAY, NO HOW would she live waiting months in line for chemo/radiation in Mexico.

 

[beagle9]

I wonder if those living in Vermont will have to show a state provided ID to get these new medical benefits.

Probably not, considering they will have to go to neighboring states for care after all the doctors leave and the hospitals close.

Makes one wonder, how in the world did the military doctors ever make a living in their situation or do people want to trash the military doctors along with everything else now ? The system wasn't working except for some in the best ways they thought before Obama Care, and then it wasn't getting fixed under Obama Care, so what are we all to do now ? Maybe just go back to the class warfare that was being found in the original set up, where as some were being treated like kings, while others went to the back of the bus ? Sitting in an emergency room due to not being able to afford a health care plan, is the same (IMHO) of Rosa Parks being sent to the back of the bus, and that was unacceptable back then, and it should be now.

 

[beagle9]

ER doctors are horrible for anything other than trama.
The best doctors are the ones that have their own multi-doctor practice. I don't know what planet Duddley lives on, but "hospital -employee" doctors went by the wayside 40 years ago.
Right now...my wifes step mother who is a Mexican citizen...LEFT MEXICO'S SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM to come to America to get cancer treatment. NO WAY, NO HOW would she live waiting months in line for chemo/radiation in Mexico.

Is it the worry by some now, that they may have to join the rest of the poor folks in the waiting lines that so many in the past were cast into at the emergency rooms, but only now it will be everywhere one goes to get some treatment for their health care needs ?

How about everybody begin laying out all the different scenarios that people think will come about in this, and then lets see if there is any meat worth grabbing on to in their rants.

 

[Katzndogz]

The rich will never be waiting at the nearest ER. Not even in Vermont.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Is I have said before, the end goal of liberals/progressives is to turn America into a state controlled workers paradise like N. Korea. ...

The end goal of the reactionary plutocrats is to privatize everything, outlaw unions and collective bargaining and become a paradise like Saudi Arabia.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

ER doctors are horrible for anything other than trama. Actually, you're wrong about ER doctors, of course. Its a bona fide and highly trained specialty. As for trauma, hospitals can't afford them anymore because they're absorbing the unpaid bills racked up by the uninsured who are taking advantage of Reagan's socialist EMTALA.
The best doctors are the ones that have their own multi-doctor practice. I don't know what planet Duddley lives on, but "hospital -employee" doctors went by the wayside 40 years ago.Show me where I said differently. What I wrote is quoted below. You might want to read it instead of putting more words in my mouth.
Right now...my wifes step mother who is a Mexican citizen...LEFT MEXICO'S SOCIALIST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM to come to America to get cancer treatment. NO WAY, NO HOW would she live waiting months in line for chemo/radiation in Mexico.

Here's what I wrote above:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/obamacare/328708-vermont-approves-single-payer-plan.html#post8279599

Doctors don't go into private practice at the rate they used to because they had to work killer hours, never saw their families, lived with no sleep, died young of the very stress-related ailments their patients did AND they still have to chase down every payment.

Now, those same doctors practice in large clinics. They pool their resources and lose a lot less money.

Nowadays, if you go to the emergency room, they do not call your primary care physician in to see you. You are now seen by the er doctor or the hospitalist while your own doctor sleeps through the night.

And, Americans go to other countries for affordable care. If you've got a computer and access to the Interwebs, go to google dot com and LOOK IT UP. Like it or not, medical tourism is a growing industry in OTHER countries.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Is I have said before, the end goal of liberals/progressives is to turn America into a state controlled workers paradise like N. Korea. ...

The end goal of the reactionary plutocrats is to privatize everything, outlaw unions and collective bargaining and become a paradise like Saudi Arabia.

Look how well it has worked for prison owners.

They're making a bundle and all they have to do is keep locking up black people.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Poor poeple from all around the nation will flood to the state with "free HC" while anyone that pays taxes will be running as fast as they can.

Uh, no, that's what we have had for some years now.

Its called Reagan's Socialist Folly aka EMTALA.

 

[dblack]

Poor poeple from all around the nation will flood to the state with "free HC" while anyone that pays taxes will be running as fast as they can.

Uh, no, that's what we have had for some years now.

Its called Reagan's Socialist Folly aka EMTALA.

Indeed. Let's repeal it.

 

[dblack]

Is I have said before, the end goal of liberals/progressives is to turn America into a state controlled workers paradise like N. Korea. ...

The end goal of the reactionary plutocrats is to privatize everything, outlaw unions and collective bargaining and become a paradise like Saudi Arabia.

Look how well it has worked for prison owners.

They're making a bundle and all they have to do is keep locking up black people.

It's insane. We're privatizing the very things that should be the sole purview of government, and socializing everything that ought to be a private concern. Curiouser and curiouser....

 

[Publius1787]

Vermont Approves Single-Payer Health Care: "Everybody In, Nobody Out"

Looks promising ................


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[Vox]

The program will be fully operational by 2017, and will be funded through Medicare, Medicaid, federal money for the ACA given to Vermont, and a slight increase in taxes. In exchange, there will be no more premiums, deductibles, copay’s, hospital bills or anything else aimed at making insurance companies a profit. Further, all hospitals and healthcare providers will now be nonprofit.

This system will provide an instant boost the state economy. On the one side, you have workers that no longer have to worry about paying medical costs or a monthly premium and are able to use that money for other things. On the other side, you have the burden of paying insurance taken off of the employers side, who will be able to use the saved money to provide a better wage and/or reinvest in their company through updated infrastructure and added jobs. It is a win-win solution.


are they IDIOTS? who do they think will work there not for profit?
or they expect the doctors, nurses and all other staff work 9-4 MO-Fri and NOTHING goes after 4 and on the weekend?

I can live like that. again

 

[Vox]

The rich will never be waiting at the nearest ER. Not even in Vermont.

true.

and that is the biggest problem of everything government.

corruption.

 

[Vox]

How many doctors are going to remain in practice for salary and still be open to lawsuits for bogus malpractice claims?

They will leave unless they are so incompetent they can't get a job any place else. Vermont will be the home of the Patrick Chavises and Kermit Gosnells of the country.

Look at it this way, Conrad Murray can be chief of staff.

 

[Vox]

Doctors, nurses and hospitals will love working for solid salaries and benefits and profits.

The insurance companies brought this on themselves.

this could be a perfect example of grotesque.

But I don't think so.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Why is it wrong for doctors and hospitals to want to make a profit?

 

[initforme]

Somehow I think the doctors will be paid pretty well. It will be interesting to watch.

 

[Vox]

Somehow I think the doctors will be paid pretty well. It will be interesting to watch.

somehow you are pretty ignorant on the single-payer systems