USS Liberty

Perhaps if you had ever spent time in the Middle East talking to members of both sides and actually studied the conflict you would know better than to make such absurd statements.

For example, native Palestinian Jews and native Palestinian Arabs were able to share the land in relative peace(1) before the invasion of Nazi trained and armed (2) terrorist gangs who began the 80 years of the genocidal Nakba in the 1940s (3)

(1). “Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.” Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly. Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.” CONTINUED


(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(3). “Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted.

"A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives. Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers.

Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.[2] Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive." CONTINUED

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You and your fellow Zionophiles are proof that the opposite is true.

How many times has Europe's Zionist colony murdered Americans with impunity(4), extorted $ Trillions (5) and kept Israel's arsenal filled with American ordinance and weaponry?


(4). "ISRAEL JUST KILLED ANOTHER AMERICAN IN THE WEST BANK. WILL THE U.S. EVER RESPOND?"

EXCERPT "ISRAELI SOLDIERS SHOT and killed American activist Aysenur Ezgi Eygi on Friday while she was protesting an illegal settlement in the occupied West Bank, according to local media reports.

Lara Friedman, president of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, told The Intercept that such muted responses from the U.S government after the killings of American citizens in the occupied West Bank has become de facto policy."CONTINUED


(5). "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html
By Thomas R. Stauffer

EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S.
aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED
(6). "US delivers over 20,000 'dumb bombs' to Israel since 7 Oct"


"Benjamin Netanyahu has been lobbying US lawmakers to speed up weapons transfers to Israel during his trip to Washington"

EXCERPT "The data shows that Washington has sent over 20,000 unguided bombs, around 2,600 guided bombs, and 3,000 precision missiles.

Unguided bombs, also known as “dumb bombs,” are typically less precise and kill larger numbers of civilians, especially in densely populated areas like Gaza.

Aircraft, air defense systems, and ammunition have also been shipped to Israel since the start of the war in Gaza.

Many of these shipments have been classified or kept under the table. What had been delivered by March this year already constitutes “an enormous number and variety of weapons,”(*) according to an analysis by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

The report came as Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on a visit to Washington, where he met with Joe Biden and his vice president on 25 July and gave a speech in front of the US Congress a day earlier." CONTINUED

(*) facts like "classified" and "under the table" weaponry and "aid" are proof that it Israeli lobbies, spies and genocidal shills are who really infect America and prey on loyal American taxpayers, G.I.s etc


I regret that I can't respond to all civil comments to me but I can only write when time permits.
Your posts are documented but by facts you happen to enjoy.
I have talked to Muslims. From Palestine to Iran and other nations, I talked to Muslims. But they did not treat me hatefully. I learned a lot from Muslims. Such as muslims believe in Jesus. I was not aware of that until I was informed.

We all know why Israel claims that land. We know it has to do with their religion. We know the stories of who kicked them out. We know they did not want to leave. We know that they paid for the land they got from the Arabs who were not called Palestinians at all. Palestine was not a Government where it is claimed now to exist. See I have studied.
 
Guy, I have no tolerance for stupid people, or dishonest ones... which is pretty much every time i deal with a member of your deranged cult.
I will guess that is why you picked China to be loyal to. Frankly being loyal to a communist is much worse.
 
I regret that I can't respond to all civil comments to me but I can only write when time permits.
That is fine. See we Republicans realize that when George Washington fought England, a good 1/3 of the public hated him. 1/3 did not care at all and just 1/3 supported Washington in his fight to defeat what he believed was evil.
 
Most of this is downright looney-tune material that ignores the known history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, and most of it comes from virulently anti-Semitic sources. You are saying most of the same things that ISIS, the PLO, Hamas, Al Qaeda, and Hezbollah have been saying for years.

Again, you will not find a reputable historian who has researched the USS Liberty incident who claims that Israel knew the ship was American and purposely attacked it anyway. The USS Liberty conspiracy theory is as fringe and disreputable as the 9/11 Truther garbage and the fake Moon landings lunacy.
2700 of those ships were built. It is reasonable that Israel believe that it was one of the Egyptian ships. Anyway who is bitching. Democrats are. Who settled with Israel. Democrats did. We should have them take this up with Chuck Schumer who is a Democrat leader.
 
Mormon Mike is still a tard.

Gee, I wonder why.

Well, I'm sure you want to imply that it was race (even though I'm married to an Asian woman) but it was a pretty simple thing. He wasn't even in the ballpark about what I wanted to make in compensation. He tried to tapdance about performance bonuses, but I just wasn't going for it.

That's not what you said. Now you've substantially shifted your argument and moved the goal posts, probably because it dawned on you how idiotic your argument was.
No, actually, I didn't... I made a point that because most of the people making hiring decisions are white (owners, HR managers, team leads) of course, white folks are going to have a huge advantage in job seeking. Not because those people are racists (although some of them are) but because it's human nature to favor people who remind you of yourself.


Of course you run to a far-left group for support.

Translation- you can't really dispute the point.

Again, this is far removed from your original argument, which was that you "knew" white privilege exists because all the hiring managers who hired you were white.

Yes, personal experience confirms what is true. Such as, when I first encountered Mormons in 1983, I said, "What a bunch of ******* weirdos". Then I did some studying and found out about magic underwear, baptizing dead people, ruling your own planet in the afterlife, and so on.

I notice you declined to address the fact that China launched a massive offensive war to prevent American forces from liberating North Korea from its brutal dictatorship. Let's see: Who was running China at the time? Oh, that's right: Your hero, mass murderer Mao Tse-Tung.

Except they didn't launch the war.

The war was ongoing. Had the UN stopped at the 38th Parallel, China never would have felt justifiably threatened.

Had the UN gone to China and negotiated with them in good faith, they'd have never entered the war.

Instead, we were marching a multi-national army right up to their border, with a crazy ******* general (MacArthur) talking about using nukes.
 
2700 of those ships were built. It is reasonable that Israel believe that it was one of the Egyptian ships. Anyway who is bitching. Democrats are. Who settled with Israel. Democrats did. We should have them take this up with Chuck Schumer who is a Democrat leader.

2700 hundred of those ships were built, but the vast majority of them had been scrapped out by 1967.

The Liberty also had huge antennas on it for intelligence gathering, and, oh yeah, a huge American flag.
 
Most of this is downright looney-tune material that ignores the known history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, and most of it comes from virulently anti-Semitic sources. You are saying most of the same things that ISIS, the PLO, Hamas, Al Qaeda, and Hezbollah have been saying for years.

Again, you will not find a reputable historian who has researched the USS Liberty incident who claims that Israel knew the ship was American and purposely attacked it anyway. The USS Liberty conspiracy theory is as fringe and disreputable as the 9/11 Truther garbage and the fake Moon landings lunacy.


If everything I just wrote was "looney-tune material", you would be able to refute it with something other than reality denials and relentless whining about pseudo anti Semitism.

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Again, you will not find a reputable historian who has researched the USS Liberty incident who claims that Israel knew the ship was American and purposely attacked it anyway.

It sounds like you consider that proven liar, A Jay Cristol, to be a "reputable historian". If either you or Cristol were telling the truth, you'd both be $10,000- richer.

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The USS Liberty conspiracy theory is as fringe and disreputable as the 9/11 Truther garbage and the fake Moon landings lunacy.

If Israel's deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and murder all 294 Americans aboard were a "conspiracy theory", why did an ethical Israeli pilot chose jail time for not participating in a massacre and series of war crimes?

"Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED


How did IDF "accidentally" machine gun lowered life rafts for the wounded at close range; another war crime?

"Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty"
"Prepared by the Independent Commission of Inquiry"

EXCERPT "After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range."CONTINUED


Since I strongly oppose any censorship or type of book destruction, the best use for your copy of Cristol's book, "The Liberty Incident" is as a paperweight.
 
Your posts are documented but by facts you happen to enjoy.
I have talked to Muslims. From Palestine to Iran and other nations, I talked to Muslims. But they did not treat me hatefully. I learned a lot from Muslims. Such as muslims believe in Jesus. I was not aware of that until I was informed.

We all know why Israel claims that land. We know it has to do with their religion. We know the stories of who kicked them out. We know they did not want to leave. We know that they paid for the land they got from the Arabs who were not called Palestinians at all. Palestine was not a Government where it is claimed now to exist. See I have studied.


It sounds like all "We" know about Levantine history is the scripted rubbish of Zionist propagandists:


- "Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing"
Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing

EXCERPT "Before all of this, of course, we heard claims about 40 babies beheaded by Hamas. US President Joe Biden repeated this claim, although the White House then retracted the statements. Aside from the fact that no concrete evidence was presented, Israeli military officials themselves denied it. Still, Israeli officials repeated the claim unashamedly." CONTINUED


- "Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation"
  • Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation | IMEU
  • EXCERPT
  • "Israel’s military and government have a long and well-documented history of lying and falsifying evidence to cover up and deflect responsibility for war crimes they commit against Palestinians. The following document provides some of the most egregious examples in recent years." CONTINUED


- "A list of Israeli lies, propaganda and genocidal intent"
 
It sounds like all "We" know about Levantine history is the scripted rubbish of Zionist propagandists:

- "Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing"
Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing

EXCERPT "Before all of this, of course, we heard claims about 40 babies beheaded by Hamas. US President Joe Biden repeated this claim, although the White House then retracted the statements. Aside from the fact that no concrete evidence was presented, Israeli military officials themselves denied it. Still, Israeli officials repeated the claim unashamedly." CONTINUED

- "Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation"
  • Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation | IMEU
  • EXCERPT
  • "Israel’s military and government have a long and well-documented history of lying and falsifying evidence to cover up and deflect responsibility for war crimes they commit against Palestinians. The following document provides some of the most egregious examples in recent years." CONTINUED
- "A list of Israeli lies, propaganda and genocidal intent"
Just look at the obscene, anti-Semitic, wingnut sources you're citing to support your trash. When you search for "Holocaust" on the pro-Hamas IMEU website, you get a bunch of links that bash Israel. When you search for "Holocaust" on the Hebh Jamal website, you get an article that attacks Israel's right to exist. Are you kidding me? How can you cite such sick sources?

I'm curious: Do you believe the Holocaust is a lie fabricated by the International Zionist Conspiracy to create false sympathy for Jews?
 
Oh, boy! Does your mom know you're using her laptop to post such juvenile insults?


And?


Gee, I wonder why.


#Avoiding the point.


#Avoiding the point.


That's not what you said. Now you've substantially shifted your argument and moved the goal posts, probably because it dawned on you how idiotic your argument was.


Of course you run to a far-left group for support.


Again, this is far removed from your original argument, which was that you "knew" white privilege exists because all the hiring managers who hired you were white.


SMH. No, I didn't miss the point, but you did. I don't know how much more clearly I can explain it to you than I already have.


Yeah, it does appear to be beyond you.

I notice you declined to address the fact that China launched a massive offensive war to prevent American forces from liberating North Korea from its brutal dictatorship. Let's see: Who was running China at the time? Oh, that's right: Your hero, mass murderer Mao Tse-Tung.
For once I agree with agent Mike Griffith,makes me wonder if joes mom is aware of his juvenile profanity in her basement where he posts.hee hee. :abgg2q.jpg:
 
It sounds like all "We" know about Levantine history is the scripted rubbish of Zionist propagandists:


- "Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing"
Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing

EXCERPT "Before all of this, of course, we heard claims about 40 babies beheaded by Hamas. US President Joe Biden repeated this claim, although the White House then retracted the statements. Aside from the fact that no concrete evidence was presented, Israeli military officials themselves denied it. Still, Israeli officials repeated the claim unashamedly." CONTINUED


- "Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation"
  • Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation | IMEU
  • EXCERPT
  • "Israel’s military and government have a long and well-documented history of lying and falsifying evidence to cover up and deflect responsibility for war crimes they commit against Palestinians. The following document provides some of the most egregious examples in recent years." CONTINUED


- "A list of Israeli lies, propaganda and genocidal intent"
It’s always fun watching joe and Mike get their asses handed to them on a platter by you. :up: Mike plays dodgeball and always runs off when you take him to school if it was a loony conspiracy theory that 287 servicemen were purposely murdered by Israel,when you bring up the fact that an Israeli pilot went to Jail fir having a conscience for saying he was ordered to shoot but did not comply and went to jail for it
,he ran for the hills and his only answer is always the lame comeback you are anti semetic.comedy gold.:abgg2q.jpg::rofl::laughing0301:
It’s no wonder Mike and joe are incapable of critical thinking.
Mike and joe have proven in spades they only goes by what the msm media tells them all the time,they also believe the fairy tale version of what the idiot box have told them over the years thst 19 Muslims were behind 9/11 never mind the fact none of them hardly even knew how to fly a Cessna and the best pilots in the world have said they could not make those incredible maneuvers in the air the 9/11 coverup commission said they did and never mind the fact that witness testimony’s of people at the pentagon said they saw no airliner thst came in,that it was a missile and even an on-site reporter said there was no evidence an airliner hit it and the fbi illegally confiscated the tapes from the gas station across the street,we should all listen to Mike and joes babble and rants instead of witnesses at the pentagon thst day and expert pilots around the world though of course. :abgg2q.jpg:

Mike and joe love to embarrass themselves here everyday with shit all over their face in embarrassment always listening to what the idiot box in the living room tells them,going by thst for their source material.comedy gold. :rofl: :laughing0301: :abgg2q.jpg:
 
Have you not read any of my previous replies? Yes, Israeli jets and torpedo boats accidentally attacked the USS Liberty because they thought it was Egyptian ship that had shelled an Israeli coastal city. It was a tragic case of friendly fire, and there have been even more baffling cases of friendly fire since then.
As a pilot I would like to explain to you that it is IMPOSSIBLE to accidentally strafe a big boat like that flying 2 US flags for 30 minutes. You've bought into the Israeli propaganda. It's a bullshit story by very well known bullshitters.
 
The US fully investigated this and did not agree with what you said.
First thing. The Ship was completely innocent.

But is the bizarre story told by PP true or fiction?


I have studied the official report by the USA and it paints a different picture.
Rather than me post pages of the document, use the link above to read it for yourself.

Israeli Identification of the Ship
4. None of the communications of the attacking aircraft and torpedo boats is available, but the intercepted conversations between the helicopter pilots and the control tower at Hatzor (near Tel Aviv) leave little doubt that the Israelis failed to identify theLiberty as a US ship before or during the attack.
"Official report by the USA..."? Surely you jest Robert. If you believe the claims of extremely well known liars like the US and Israeli governments, you live foolishly.
 
As a pilot I would like to explain to you that it is IMPOSSIBLE to accidentally strafe a big boat like that flying 2 US flags for 30 minutes. You've bought into the Israeli propaganda. It's a bullshit story by very well known bullshitters.
As a pilot you can also educate and checkmate Mike thst he has also bought into the bullshit told to him by the idiot box in the living room that I am correct that the best pilots in the world have said they could not have done all those incredible maneuvers in the air the 9/11 coverup commission said,that as a pilot you can testify thst a commercial airliner would have broke up in pieces if it attempted thst and thst only a jet fighter is capable of those kind of maneuvers in the air hense WHY the air traffic controllers testified they thought it was a jet fighter sense they are aware a commercial airliner is incapable of thst. :abgg2q.jpg:

Yes I am not making this up,he seriously stated earlier as well the 9/11 commission was correct that 19 Muslims pulled off 9/11 and made those incredible miracle never been done before maneuvers in the air with a commercial airliner despite hardly even knowing how to fly a Cessna,I am not making this up,read his previous posts you will see for yourself he believes the version of whst the idiot box in the living room told him. :abgg2q.jpg: :laughing0301: :rofl:

I’m shocked Mike did not say he believes in the magic bullet theory as well of the Warren commission. :biggrin:
 
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"Official report by the USA..."? Surely you jest Robert. If you believe the claims of extremely well known liars like the US and Israeli governments, you live foolishly.
Well do you blame Democrats? They handled all of this. Say, ask me if I believe anonymous posters who have a gripe?
 
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As a pilot I would like to explain to you that it is IMPOSSIBLE to accidentally strafe a big boat like that flying 2 US flags for 30 minutes. You've bought into the Israeli propaganda. It's a bullshit story by very well known bullshitters.
Us spy ships are not very effective if they identify themselves to the enemy forces. The firing was not an accident. But the pilots believed it was a ship owned by Egypt. Democrats were paid off anyway. Democrats accepted the story once Israel explained it and the US was paid millions of dollars. Not to bring the dead back to life, but to award damages to the injured families.
 
Just look at the obscene, anti-Semitic, wingnut sources you're citing to support your trash. When you search for "Holocaust" on the pro-Hamas IMEU website, you get a bunch of links that bash Israel. When you search for "Holocaust" on the Hebh Jamal website, you get an article that attacks Israel's right to exist. Are you kidding me? How can you cite such sick sources?

I'm curious: Do you believe the Holocaust is a lie fabricated by the International Zionist Conspiracy to create false sympathy for Jews?

Guy, everyone agrees the Holocaust was bad.

It's just not a perpetual Hall Pass for bad Israeli behavior.
 
Guy, everyone agrees the Holocaust was bad.

It's just not a perpetual Hall Pass for bad Israeli behavior.
The way you put it, FDR acted out in a tantrum over the attack on Pearl Harbor. my god is that why he jailed Japanese?
 
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