USS Liberty

[gipper]

No.

Where have I written anywhere that I was loyal to any other faith, cause or country than the US?

When I enlisted into the US Army, I took an oath that included defending the US against all enemies, "foreign and domestic".

As several of our Founding Fathers noted:
"America will not be defeated from external enemies but by enemies from within.

From the Lavon Affair to the USS Liberty, to the murder of Americans, today, in Iraq, Israel and its influential lobbies are the greatest threats to America today.

- "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public." CONTINUED


- "Israeli Snipers Killing US Troops In Iraq"

Israeli Snipers Killing US Troops In Iraq

EXCERPT "According to Richard Wilson, Israeli sniping and IEDs are false flag operations. He says that on March 28, 2005, Americans arrested 19 Mossad agents who fired twice on a US Marine checkpoint. The Marines beat up the Mossad agents and tore off their Star-of-David necklaces. (The US media incorrectly said the agents were Americans.) The Mossad agents said they were employees of Zapata Engineering, which helps the CIA conduct interrogations, and also manages US ammo dumps and US motor pools in Iraq." CONTINUED

These genocide loving cocksuckers have no argument supporting their inhumanity. So, they revert to calling those of us opposing genocide Muslims and Hamas supporters.

I suppose German Nazis did the same to Germans opposing the Holocaust.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you trust China?

I trust China to act in her own interest.

Which isn't our problem if we mind our own ******* business.

China hasn't launched an offensive war since 1979.

The Zionist Entity, on the other hand, has attacked Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine since 1979. They illegally occupy the Golan Heights. And of course, the Jew Lobby in Washington manipulates us into war after war over there.

 

[JoeB131]

LOL! Well, I figured you and JoeB131, aka Jihad Joe, were two peas in a pod!

And I'm not surprised that you side with the tiny minority who believe Israel purposely attacked the USS Liberty, never mind that no one has yet come up with a credible, logical motive, and never mind that every official investigation has concluded the attack was a tragic case of friendly fire, and never mind, as I proved to Jihad Joe, that there have been even worse cases of friendly fire.

We gave you credible motives.

1) The Zionists hoped to bring the US into the war by framing Egypt

or

2) The Zionists thought that the Liberty had intelligence that they started the war.

And, no, there's never been a worse case of "Friendly Fire". A clearly marked allied ship during daytime.

I'm curious: Do you also believe the 9/11 Truther conspiracy theory about 9/11, i.e., that the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions planted before the attack, and that the Pentagon was hit by a missile and not by an airliner?

Naw, guy, crazy conspiracy theories are your thing. One just has to read your whacky "Real Issues" website.

Wounded Knee wasn't a massacre.
Sirhan Sirhan was mind-controlled by the CIA to kill RFK
The Japs were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor
The Rape of Nanking wasn't that bad
Evolution isn't a real thing.

 

[mikegriffith1]

China hasn't launched an offensive war since 1979.

LOL! Eee-gads, what an embarrassing display of ignorance. FYI, Red China launched an offensive war in 1950 when the Red Chinese sent hundreds of thousands of troops across the Yalu River to attack American forces that were trying to rid North Korea of its brutal, repressive regime. China's intervention on the side of North Korea was the reason the Korean War dragged on for two more years.

This ranks right up there with your other astounding howlers: Mao Tse-Tung was less repressive than Chiang Kai-Shek; Red China was less repressive than Free China; Israel was "anxious" go give up the Sinai at Camp David; Stalin did not murder tens of millions of Russians (he just couldn't have because Soviet census reports do not show that many deaths--and Soviet reports were always reliable!); Mao Tse-Tung did not murder tens of millions of Chinese; Mao was actually a good leader who did much good for his people; and the Israelis purposely attacked the USS Liberty to try to draw America into the Six-Day War. Yes, folks, he really has said these things.

The Zionist Entity, on the other hand, has attacked Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Palestine since 1979. They illegally occupy the Golan Heights. And of course, the Jew Lobby in Washington manipulates us into war after war over there.

Wow, so you're once again repeating neo-Nazi and Jihadist propaganda. What a surreal, shameful distortion of history, the same twisted garbage that neo-Nazis, ISIS, Hezbollah, and Hamas spew.

Decent educated people know that in nearly all cases Arab nations and Arab terrorist groups have been the ones who have attacked Israel and that Israel has usually acted in self-defense. They also know that Israel is a robust democracy with a vibrant free press, an independent judiciary, free elections, and a strong tradition of civil rights, whereas no Arab nation even comes close to having all of these things.

Wounded Knee wasn't a massacre.

Correct. It most certainly was not a massacre. How about you respond to the evidence I present on this on my website?

Sirhan Sirhan was mind-controlled by the CIA to kill RFK

Several leading experts in hypnosis, including Dr. Daniel Brown of Harvard University, have examined Sirhan and have concluded he was hypno-programmed. The ballistics, forensic, and eyewitness evidence clearly prove Sirhan could not possibly have been the gunman who shot RFK. I have not taken a position as to who hypno-programmed him, nor do I believe that the CIA, as an institution, was involved.

The Japs were justified in bombing Pearl Harbor.

Of course you frame it in the most negative way possible. Many scholars argue that Japan had a valid case for attacking Pearl Harbor, as did a number of senior officers during WWII, based on the fact that FDR imposed draconian sanctions on Japan and rejected all of Japan's peace offers, even the one that gave FDR virtually everything he said he wanted. When you and I discussed this, I never could get you to explain what any other nation would do under the same conditions.

Anyway, I have also argued that Japan should not have attacked Pearl Harbor, and that attacking Pearl Harbor was a horrendous blunder.

The Rape of Nanking wasn't that bad.

You know this is a lie. If I thought you were worth the trouble, I'd sue you for libel. But, people can just go read our discussions on this issue and see how brazenly you are lying about my position on the Nanking Massacre.

The difference between us is that you accept the Chinese Communist propaganda version of the Nanking Massacre, embodied in Iris Chang's nonsensical and discredited book The Rape of Nanking, whereas I do not. I believe the death toll was much lower than Chang's absurd and impossible figure of 300,000-plus, a number that very few Asia scholars still accept.

Evolution isn't a real thing.

Your simplistic framing needs correction. To be clear, we're talking about macroevolution, not microevolution. Tens of thousands of scientists and other scholars reject macroevolution as a ridiculous, impossible myth. Almost no one disputes microevolution.

 

[JoeB131]

LOL! Eee-gads, what an embarrassing display of ignorance. FYI, Red China launched an offensive war in 1950 when the Red Chinese sent hundreds of thousands of troops across the Yalu River to attack American forces that were trying to rid North Korea of its brutal, repressive regime. China's intervention on the side of North Korea was the reason the Korean War dragged on for two more years.

Okay, Mormon Mike, do you not get that "hasn't launched a war since 1979" means after 1979, not before 1979.

Um, yeah, China stepped into the Korean War AFTER the UN forces started approaching their border. Understandable, the last invasion of China by a foreign power came through Korea when the Japanese did it in 1931. You can see their valid concern.

This ranks right up there with your other astounding howlers: Mao Tse-Tung was less repressive than Chiang Kai-Shek; Red China was less repressive than Free China;

There was no Free China. There was "Nationalist" China (AKA the Fascism of Little Peanut) and Communist China. In fact, the Nazis wanted to make an alliance with Chiang until they realized he was totally ******* incompetent and made an alliance with the Japanese instead.

Taiwan didn't become "Democratic" until the 1990s.

Stalin did not murder tens of millions of Russians (he just couldn't have because Soviet census reports show that many deaths--and Soviet reports were always reliable!);

The tens of millions of people, even counting famines, is pretty absurd, given census figures. How can Stalin have killed millions, lost millions in WW2, and STILL have the population grow by 49 million in 30 years? Those Russian chicks must have been ******* like rabbits for that to happen!

Mao Tse-Tung did not murder tens of millions of Chinese; Mao was actually a good leader who did much good for his people;

And if you ever talk to any Chinese person, they'd agree with that statement. Mao is still revered by the Chinese even though most of his policies have been abandoned. They traded in their Mao suits for blue blazers, but Mao is still revered by your average Chinese.

Not saying he didn't make some awful mistakes, such as the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution. Ironically, most Chinese don't blame him for that, which is puzzling, but half of America doesn't hold Trump accountable for Covid.

Wow, so you're once again repeating neo-Nazi and Jihadist propaganda. What a surreal, shameful distortion of history, the same twisted garbage that neo-Nazis, ISIS, Hezbollah, and Hamas spew.

Yawn, the point is, that Israel is the European Colonists imposing an apartheid regime on the indigenous people. Period. Full stop.

Decent educated people know that in nearly all cases Arab nations and Arab terrorist groups have been the ones who have attacked Israel and that Israel has usually acted in self-defense.

Except that's not really true, either. The Zionists started the 1956 war. They started the 1967 War. They started the 1982 War.

They also know that Israel is a robust democracy with a vibrant free press, an independent judiciary, free elections, and a strong tradition of civil rights, whereas no Arab nation even comes close to having all of these things.

Unless you are an Arab. That's like saying the Old South was wonderful unless you were black. (Oh, wait, your racist Mormon ass probably misses those days.)

 

[JoeB131]

Decent educated people know that in nearly all cases Arab nations and Arab terrorist groups have been the ones who have attacked Israel

If that's the case, then why is our government trying to shut down Campus protests against Israel?

Which if you are a decent person, is pretty horrifying. The First Amendment is there for a reason.

 

[Grau]

this mike griffith has proved in spades HUNDREDS of times over the years he is indeed a ******* liar. he thinks we should listen to his garbage he posts and listen to him over that Israeli pilot who had a conscious and went to jail for telling the truth,that speaks VOLUMNS of his credibility.

he is also a paid shill from langley same as kondor.only reason i dont have him on ignore as i do kondor is mike at least doesnt always sound juvenil in his lies all the time as he does,he is more clever at propaganda that kondor,not anywhere near as transparent a shill.

Thanks for your honest and accurate observations and uplifting support.

I prefer not to discuss other individuals but see the degree to which America is controlled by Israeli lobbies and infested with Zionist shills and spies. Because of the increasing control Zionist lobbies have over the US Government I fear for our younger Americans.

These are the same young Americans who will be sent to die for "Greater Israel" and Zionist regional hegemony.

Is it really in America's best interests to surrender control of our foreign policy to America's most insidious enemy and rapacious parasite?

Perhaps I strongly oppose America's Zionist orchestrated "War on Islam" because I spent 10 - 11 months walking and hitch hiking around the Islamic Middle East.
Even though I was an obvious Westerner / American, I didn't have a single hostile encounter the entire time.
Instead, the many Muslims who gave me rides, shelter and treated me to meals went out of their way to show me archeological sites, keep me safe and were eager for me to meet their friends.

I've forgotten how many times I spent in a village square with a group of Muslims who treated me to tea and snacks while we discussed everything from American movies, American cars and life in the West to regional conflicts.

Among the many questions I was asked by my Muslim hosts the most frequent were:
- "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"
And:
- "Why does America help the Israelis kill the Palestinians and steal their land?"

I tried to explain the chokehold that Israeli lobbies have on American politicians and the toxic nature of America's pro Israel MSM bias that dupes especially gullible and lazy Americans but my Muslim hosts couldn't understand how people as clever as Americans could be so easily manipulated and deceived nor can I.

Finally, I just happened to wander into the '73 War where I lived in and around Palestinian refugee camps.
Since that was over 50 years ago, I had a chance to meet and talk with Nakba survivors and see the tattered photos of their old homes and murdered family members.

The squalid conditions in which these Nakba survivors contrasted sharply with the relative luxuries enjoyed by Holocaust survivors while the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2) continues to extort $ Billions from individuals, industries and countless governments around the world a full 80 years after the suffering.

Meanwhile Nakba survivors and Palestine's native residents still endure Zionist genocide, torture, humiliation, starvation and trauma from about 80 years of Colonial machinations by foreign governments resulting in additional Zionist land theft.

Who are distant foreign governments manipulated by foreign Zionist lobbies to draw lines in the sand for the Levant's native residents?

Many thanks for your kind words and keep up the good work.
Unfortunately, a busy schedule doesn't allow me to respond to every comment so I only write when I can.







(1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million | The Jerusalem Post

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

If that's the case, then why is our government trying to shut down Campus protests against Israel?

Which if you are a decent person, is pretty horrifying. The First Amendment is there for a reason.

I might be able to help with your question:

....why is our government trying to shut down Campus protests against Israel?

How about:

“If you would know who controls you see who you may not criticise.”

― Tacitus
A quote by Tacitus

 

[Grau]

The problem is now books are written blaming it all on President Johnson, that all Israel did was carry out his orders. Conspiracies like this grow legs. I presented the CIA report long before Johnson got blamed.

This we all know.
The ship was fired at by fighters. We do not have any records of what the instructions to those pilots was.
We know the Israelis said the ship was Egyptian. They clearly were wrong.
We know several boats with torpedos on them were in the area and at least one fired a torpedo at the ship causing death and much damage.
We can't read the minds of the pilots.
We have no proof that Israel did know what the ship was. Flags can be purchased and put on any ship. If the Liberty flew our flag, to the Israelis it might be a ruse by Egypt.
We also now have a story that it was Lyndon Johnson that ordered the attack. This conspiracy has grown legs. It is like a centipede now.

I've refuted your opinions in my previous comments and noticed that you have evaded discussing salient facts that confirm that the Liberty attack was another False Flag operation similar to the Lavon Affair to get America to attack Egypt for them.

Finally, please explain how IDF could "accidentally" machine gun lowered life rafts at close range which is an additional war crime.

"Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty"
Prepared by the Independent Commission of Inquiry

Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty

If Americans Knew is dedicated to providing Americans with everything they need to know about Israel and Palestine.

ifamericaknew.org

EXCERPT "After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range."CONTINUED

 

[mikegriffith1]

Simply put, the theory that Israel purposely attacked the USS Liberty ranks right up there for absurdity and implausibility with the 9/11 Truther conspiracy theory, with the conspiracy theory that the military-industrial complex assassinated John Lennon, with the conspiracy theory that the "Secret Team" assassinated Princess Diana, and with the conspiracy theory that the Moon landings were faked.

Some conspiracy theories have strong evidence to support them and are accepted by a large portion of the American population, but the USS Liberty conspiracy theory is not one of them.

The worst source of information about the USS Liberty incident are the survivors, most of whom blindly, rabidly refuse to accept the evidence that the attack was a tragic case of friendly fire. Similarly, some of the relatives of the victims of the 1994 Black Hawk shootdown incident refuse to believe the shootdown was accidental, and they have a much better case than the USS Liberty survivors for disbelieving the friendly fire explanation, although the pilot transmissions make it clear that the fighter pilots believed the Black Hawks were Soviet-made Iraqi helicopters.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Thanks for your honest and accurate observations and uplifting support.

I prefer not to discuss other individuals but see the degree to which America is controlled by Israeli lobbies and infested with Zionist shills and spies. Because of the increasing control Zionist lobbies have over the US Government I fear for our younger Americans.

These are the same young Americans who will be sent to die for "Greater Israel" and Zionist regional hegemony.

Is it really in America's best interests to surrender control of our foreign policy to America's most insidious enemy and rapacious parasite?

Perhaps I strongly oppose America's Zionist orchestrated "War on Islam" because I spent 10 - 11 months walking and hitch hiking around the Islamic Middle East.
Even though I was an obvious Westerner / American, I didn't have a single hostile encounter the entire time.
Instead, the many Muslims who gave me rides, shelter and treated me to meals went out of their way to show me archeological sites, keep me safe and were eager for me to meet their friends.

I've forgotten how many times I spent in a village square with a group of Muslims who treated me to tea and snacks while we discussed everything from American movies, American cars and life in the West to regional conflicts.

Among the many questions I was asked by my Muslim hosts the most frequent were:
- "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"
And:
- "Why does America help the Israelis kill the Palestinians and steal their land?"

I tried to explain the chokehold that Israeli lobbies have on American politicians and the toxic nature of America's pro Israel MSM bias that dupes especially gullible and lazy Americans but my Muslim hosts couldn't understand how people as clever as Americans could be so easily manipulated and deceived nor can I.

Finally, I just happened to wander into the '73 War where I lived in and around Palestinian refugee camps.
Since that was over 50 years ago, I had a chance to meet and talk with Nakba survivors and see the tattered photos of their old homes and murdered family members.

The squalid conditions in which these Nakba survivors contrasted sharply with the relative luxuries enjoyed by Holocaust survivors while the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2) continues to extort $ Billions from individuals, industries and countless governments around the world a full 80 years after the suffering.

Meanwhile Nakba survivors and Palestine's native residents still endure Zionist genocide, torture, humiliation, starvation and trauma from about 80 years of Colonial machinations by foreign governments resulting in additional Zionist land theft.

Who are distant foreign governments manipulated by foreign Zionist lobbies to draw lines in the sand for the Levant's native residents?

Many thanks for your kind words and keep up the good work.
Unfortunately, a busy schedule doesn't allow me to respond to every comment so I only write when I can.







(1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million | The Jerusalem Post

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED

Yeah it makes me ashamed to be an American because other countries hate the American people as well rightly so because they are not doing anything about it,the Israeli lobby’s stronghold on politicians.

Through the Zionist controlled media here in the states and through Hollywood,most Americans are incapable of critical thinking how Israel is a warmonger and that’s mainly because of their religious beliefs about Israel they have been brainwashed to believe,you try to reason with them that even Judaism jewish people who are true Jews and good people,even they condemn the Zionist Jews yet it just goes through one ear and out the other.they can’t be reasoned with.

It doesn’t help that Hollywood which is of course controlled by the Zionists of Israel,is bankrolling the producers out there hense how they have successfully brainwashed the American people through films always demonizing Muslims and sadly they fall for it hook,line,and sinker the majority of the sheep in America.

You will never catch Hollywood making a TRUTHFUL film about the 1967 attack how John McCain sr had a huge role in it and Johnson ordering the uss liberty to be sunk and how thst Israeli pilot went to jail for having a conscience.

you will never see them make a film like that of course same as you will never see them make a truthful film of Reagan how he served the elite,was a mass murderer and traiter to Americans,they always glorify him as a hero and servant to the people instead of the truth thst he served the elite because of the fact he was the president thst got the ball rolling for the destruction of America that each president sense has expanded on.that is WHY he is glorified by Hollywood,the majority of Americans are brainwashed sheep from Hollywood too ignorant understand thst as well.

Here is another example of hollywoods propaganda how they rewrite history.in the film pearl harbour when it gets bombed they show the actor portraying Roosevelt have his mouth wide open and collapse in his chair in shock when as we both know,he had a major grin on his face when it happened after knowing full well it would happen and withheld that information from the fleet.

Hollywood will never of course make a movie out of Robert stinnets excellent documented book on pearl harbour day of deceit which is the REAL true facts WHY pearl harbour happened.no Hollywood won’t touch thst.no sirre Bob.

Thank you for your insightful posts as well about how your experiences with Muslims and how they treated you well and asked you those questions why politicians bow down to Israel.

 

[Robert W]

I've refuted your opinions in my previous comments and noticed that you have evaded discussing salient facts that confirm that the Liberty attack was another False Flag operation similar to the Lavon Affair to get America to attack Egypt for them.

Of course you tried. But this is not about me. It is about the CIA report and the false claims Johnson is the cause. It is about the fact that the ship was believed to be Egyptian and not our ship. The CIA report refutes what you claim. I was an adult when this happened but do not recall America trying to get America to attack Egypt. Actually this is distant history since now America and Egypt are friends.

 

[Robert W]

Finally, please explain how IDF could "accidentally" machine gun lowered life rafts at close range which is an additional war crime.

You saddled yourself to prove that was a war crime. That gunning was not an accident. It was a mistake. And Israel is not magic to restore life so the USA accepted cash which I believe was paid to the family of the victims.


In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$30.1 million in 2024) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($30.6 million in 2024) to the men who had been wounded.

 

[Robert W]

"After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range.

Israel apologized for the attack, saying that USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.<a href="USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a> Both the Israeli and United States governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.<a href="USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> Others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.<a href="USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a><a href="USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> Thomas Hinman Moorer, the 7th chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, accused President Lyndon B. Johnson of having covered up that the attack was a deliberate act.<a href="USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a>

I happen to be a pilot of Airplanes. I will inform the forum here that when we are above the ground, we are on the top of the airplane, and not below it. We have extreme difficulty with things below us being seen. Even if we face the airplane at the ship in this case, we get a top view that is far from perfect. I have landed after others were then landing in front of me headed at the runway as I was trailing them. The ATC Tower informed me of the airplane to my below front and it took me effort to spot that airplane. Identifying by the air is harder than one might believe. As to the Torpedo boats, on waves I imagine they also have a difficult time. Also Israel and Egypt were at war. The ship has the appearance not of a navy ship but a merchant ship.

Identify this ship positively?

 

[mikegriffith1]

JoeB131 said:
China hasn't launched an offensive war since 1979.

mikegriffith1 said:

LOL! Eee-gads, what an embarrassing display of ignorance. FYI, Red China launched an offensive war in 1950 when the Red Chinese sent hundreds of thousands of troops across the Yalu River to attack American forces that were trying to rid North Korea of its brutal, repressive regime. China's intervention on the side of North Korea was the reason the Korean War dragged on for two more years.

Let me expand on this a bit. To call China's one-month limited incursion into a small area of northern Vietnam an "offensive war" is a bit of stretch. Yes, technically it is called the "Sino-Vietnamese War," but when you do just a tiny bit of research on it, you see that it was not really a "war" at all but a brief, limited incursion that involved a fraction of each side's military forces. It didn't even actually last a full month but only three weeks and six days. Furthermore, China had no intention of remaining in the small area that it occupied during the incursion. It was a purely punitive and short-term mission, as even Chinese leaders at the time defined it.

In contrast, China's massive war effort against U.S. forces in North Korea lasted from October 1950 to July 1953 and was indeed an "offensive war." The Chinese war effort in Korea involved nearly 3 million Chinese soldiers over a period of two years and nine months. In fact, the Chinese were the main enemy combatants in the Korea War. If China had not entered the war, North Korea would have been liberated and the war would have ended at least two years earlier. Indeed, Stalin would not have authorized North Korea to attack South Korea in the first place if Mao had not agreed to provide reinforcements if necessary.

 

[Grau]

Yeah it makes me ashamed to be an American because other countries hate the American people as well rightly so because they are not doing anything about it,the Israeli lobby’s stronghold on politicians.

Through the Zionist controlled media here in the states and through Hollywood,most Americans are incapable of critical thinking how Israel is a warmonger and that’s mainly because of their religious beliefs about Israel they have been brainwashed to believe,you try to reason with them that even Judaism jewish people who are true Jews and good people,even they condemn the Zionist Jews yet it just goes through one ear and out the other.they can’t be reasoned with.

It doesn’t help that Hollywood which is of course controlled by the Zionists of Israel,is bankrolling the producers out there hense how they have successfully brainwashed the American people through films always demonizing Muslims and sadly they fall for it hook,line,and sinker the majority of the sheep in America.

You will never catch Hollywood making a TRUTHFUL film about the 1967 attack how John McCain sr had a huge role in it and Johnson ordering the uss liberty to be sunk and how thst Israeli pilot went to jail for having a conscience.

you will never see them make a film like that of course same as you will never see them make a truthful film of Reagan how he served the elite,was a mass murderer and traiter to Americans,they always glorify him as a hero and servant to the people instead of the truth thst he served the elite because of the fact he was the president thst got the ball rolling for the destruction of America that each president sense has expanded on.that is WHY he is glorified by Hollywood,the majority of Americans are brainwashed sheep from Hollywood too ignorant understand thst as well.

Here is another example of hollywoods propaganda how they rewrite history.in the film pearl harbour when it gets bombed they show the actor portraying Roosevelt have his mouth wide open and collapse in his chair in shock when as we both know,he had a major grin on his face when it happened after knowing full well it would happen and withheld that information from the fleet.

Hollywood will never of course make a movie out of Robert stinnets excellent documented book on pearl harbour day of deceit which is the REAL true facts WHY pearl harbour happened.no Hollywood won’t touch thst.no sirre Bob.

Thank you for your insightful posts as well about how your experiences with Muslims and how they treated you well and asked you those questions why politicians bow down to Israel.

Rarely do I agree more fully with someone else than I do with the thoughts you have just expressed.

Even though about half of the comments here are products intellectually stunted, hate filled and pitifully ignorant disciples of genocidal Zionism, I am encouraged that there are so many ethical Jews (1) and and a majority of Americans (2) recognize the counterproductive criminality of Zionist genocide.

I say "counterproductive" because US Government complicity in internationally condemned Zionist genocide will only make both Israelis and Americans less secure.

There are almost 2 Billion Muslims around the world and even if America's infection of Zionist lobbies and their useful idiots succeed in manipulating American politicians into sacrificing countless young American lives and $ Trillions for a US fought War on Islam, we can expect to experience retaliations like 9/11 on a weekly basis.

So as we bury our many loved ones because Israeli lobbies, our infestation of traitorous Zionist shills and our "Israel First" politicians allowed a parasitic foreign government to drive America into a disastrous "War on Islam".

Finally, duping ignorant bigots into hating Muslims they've never met in countries they've seen is the goal of our Zionist controlled MSM.

It is not a surprise that Jewish author and musician, Gilad Atzmon, best describes the degree to which right wing Zionists control what we read, write or say:


"Jews DO control the media,"

Jews DO control the media, — Gilad Atzmon thoughts and music

Introduction by Gilad Atzmon : The following article was published on the popular Zionist site Times Of Israel . It actually confirms everything we say and write about Jewish power, Jewish identity, Jewish left and Jewish AZZ (anti Zionist Zionists) . It is also consi

www.gilad.co.uk

EXCERPT "Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?"

But the funny part is when any anti-Semite or anti-Israel person starts to spout stuff like, “The Jews control the media!” and “The Jews control Washington!”

Suddenly we’re up in arms. We create huge campaigns to take these people down. We do what we can to put them out of work. We publish articles. We’ve created entire organizations that exist just to tell everyone that the Jews don’t control nothin’. No, we don’t control the media, we don’t have any more sway in DC than anyone else. No, no, no, we swear: We’re just like everybody else!

Does anyone else (who’s not a bigot) see the irony of this? CONTINUED

So, please keep a sharp edge on that critical literacy; the reams of hysterical and hate filled Ziono-Babble can get pretty thick around here.

Many thanks,






(1). "One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed 'genocide' in Gaza: Poll"

"Over 51% of American Jews support Biden's decision to withhold arms shipments to Israel, survey finds"

One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed 'genocide' in Gaza: Poll

Over 51% of American Jews support Biden's decision to withhold arms shipments to Israel, survey finds - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPT "Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60% support the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, a new poll has found.

The survey, conducted by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, a private right-wing Israeli think tank, was carried out between May 9 and 11 and included 511 American Jews, according to a statement by the center." CONTINUED


(2). "The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"

The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds

Approval for Israel’s attack on Gaza has plummeted by 14 percent since November.

truthout.org

April 3, 2024
EXCERPT "New polling finds that the majority of the American public now say that they disapprove of Israel’s genocidal siege of Gaza. Approval of the assault has plummeted over the course of a few months as Israel slaughtered at least 33,000 Palestinians and continues its destruction of Gaza with impunity.

According to a Gallup survey conducted last month, 55 percent of Americans say that they disapprove of Israel’s “military action” in Gaza — up from a minority of 45 percent in a November Gallup poll." CONTINUED

 

[mikegriffith1]

Rarely do I agree more fully with someone else than I do with the thoughts you have just expressed.

Even though about half of the comments here are products intellectually stunted, hate filled and pitifully ignorant disciples of genocidal Zionism, I am encouraged that there are so many ethical Jews (1) and and a majority of Americans (2) recognize the counterproductive criminality of Zionist genocide.

I say "counterproductive" because US Government complicity in internationally condemned Zionist genocide will only make both Israelis and Americans less secure.

There are almost 2 Billion Muslims around the world and even if America's infection of Zionist lobbies and their useful idiots succeed in manipulating American politicians into sacrificing countless young American lives and $ Trillions for a US fought War on Islam, we can expect to experience retaliations like 9/11 on a weekly basis.

So as we bury our many loved ones because Israeli lobbies, our infestation of traitorous Zionist shills and our "Israel First" politicians allowed a parasitic foreign government to drive America into a disastrous "War on Islam".

Finally, duping ignorant bigots into hating Muslims they've never met in countries they've seen is the goal of our Zionist controlled MSM.

It is not a surprise that Jewish author and musician, Gilad Atzmon, best describes the degree to which right wing Zionists control what we read, write or say:

"Jews DO control the media,"

Jews DO control the media, — Gilad Atzmon thoughts and music

Introduction by Gilad Atzmon : The following article was published on the popular Zionist site Times Of Israel . It actually confirms everything we say and write about Jewish power, Jewish identity, Jewish left and Jewish AZZ (anti Zionist Zionists) . It is also consi

www.gilad.co.uk

EXCERPT "Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?"

But the funny part is when any anti-Semite or anti-Israel person starts to spout stuff like, “The Jews control the media!” and “The Jews control Washington!”

Suddenly we’re up in arms. We create huge campaigns to take these people down. We do what we can to put them out of work. We publish articles. We’ve created entire organizations that exist just to tell everyone that the Jews don’t control nothin’. No, we don’t control the media, we don’t have any more sway in DC than anyone else. No, no, no, we swear: We’re just like everybody else!

Does anyone else (who’s not a bigot) see the irony of this? CONTINUED

So, please keep a sharp edge on that critical literacy; the reams of hysterical and hate filled Ziono-Babble can get pretty thick around here.

Many thanks,

(1). "One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed 'genocide' in Gaza: Poll"

"Over 51% of American Jews support Biden's decision to withhold arms shipments to Israel, survey finds"

One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed 'genocide' in Gaza: Poll

Over 51% of American Jews support Biden's decision to withhold arms shipments to Israel, survey finds - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPT "Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60% support the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, a new poll has found.

The survey, conducted by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, a private right-wing Israeli think tank, was carried out between May 9 and 11 and included 511 American Jews, according to a statement by the center." CONTINUED

(2). "The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"

The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds

Approval for Israel’s attack on Gaza has plummeted by 14 percent since November.

truthout.org

April 3, 2024
EXCERPT "New polling finds that the majority of the American public now say that they disapprove of Israel’s genocidal siege of Gaza. Approval of the assault has plummeted over the course of a few months as Israel slaughtered at least 33,000 Palestinians and continues its destruction of Gaza with impunity.

According to a Gallup survey conducted last month, 55 percent of Americans say that they disapprove of Israel’s “military action” in Gaza — up from a minority of 45 percent in a November Gallup poll." CONTINUED

This sleazy anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli screed is common among those who still argue that Israel purposely attacked the USS Liberty. In most cases, those who still peddle this conspiracy theory soon reveal themselves to be anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli. You are proving my point as to why this USS Liberty conspiracy garbage is viewed as fringe material by most educated Americans, especially among American historians.

 

[Robert W]

So as we bury our many loved ones because Israeli lobbies, our infestation of traitorous Zionist shills and our "Israel First" politicians allowed a parasitic foreign government to drive America into a disastrous "War on Islam".

Islam never should have started the genocide. Now they suffer by their own hands.

Clearly the Muslims have infected the United States of America.

 

[JoeB131]

Simply put, the theory that Israel purposely attacked the USS Liberty ranks right up there for absurdity and implausibility with the 9/11 Truther conspiracy theory, with the conspiracy theory that the military-industrial complex assassinated John Lennon, with the conspiracy theory that the "Secret Team" assassinated Princess Diana, and with the conspiracy theory that the Moon landings were faked.

Except the Zionist entity did attack the USS Liberty, three times.

Now, one time, absolutely, you can give them the benefit of the doubt.

But three times?

No way they didn't know exactly what they were attacking.

Some conspiracy theories have strong evidence to support them and are accepted by a large portion of the American population, but the USS Liberty conspiracy theory is not one of them.

Which proves not a lot of anything. Most Americans are too young to remember the incident, and given the way the Jews control our media, it's not like they are going to do a movie or documentary about it.

The worst source of information about the USS Liberty incident are the survivors, most of whom blindly, rabidly refuse to accept the evidence that the attack was a tragic case of friendly fire. Similarly, some of the relatives of the victims of the 1994 Black Hawk shootdown incident refuse to believe the shootdown was accidental, and they have a much better case than the USS Liberty survivors for disbelieving the friendly fire explanation, although the pilot transmissions make it clear that the fighter pilots believed the Black Hawks were Soviet-made Iraqi helicopters.

You mean- the people who were there and watched their buddies killed by Zionists don't accept the Zionist bullshit information.

Wow.. Really?

 

[JoeB131]

Let me expand on this a bit. To call China's one-month limited incursion into a small area of northern Vietnam an "offensive war" is a bit of stretch. Yes, technically it is called the "Sino-Vietnamese War," but when you do just a tiny bit of research on it, you see that it was not really a "war" at all but a brief, limited incursion that involved a fraction of each side's military forces. It didn't even actually last a full month but only three weeks and six days. Furthermore, China had no intention of remaining in the small area that it occupied during the incursion. It was a purely punitive and short-term mission, as even Chinese leaders at the time defined it.

Um, yeah, not sure what your point was.

My point was that China has not launched an aggressive action since 1979, I didn't compare 1979 to 1950.

China was trying to take pressure off their ally, Cambodia. However, once word started getting out about how bad things were in Cambodia, they did kind of a "Well, never mind". In short, cooler heads prevailed.

In contrast, China's massive war effort against U.S. forces in North Korea lasted from October 1950 to July 1953 and was indeed an "offensive war." The Chinese war effort in Korea involved nearly 3 million Chinese soldiers over a period of two years and nine months. In fact, the Chinese were the main enemy combatants in the Korea War. If China had not entered the war, North Korea would have been liberated and the war would have ended at least two years earlier. Indeed, Stalin would not have authorized North Korea to attack South Korea in the first place if Mao had not agreed to provide reinforcements if necessary.

Actually, again, it was kind of the opposite. China sees a multi-national force gathering in Korea and marching towards their border, they had every right to be concerned, especially since we were financing and bankrolling a rival government in Taiwan.

A couple of weeks ago, I was with my wife (a Chinese National) at the Art Institute of Chicago, and we were touring the gallery of Chinese artworks with artifacts from various dynasties. And a question she asked was, "Were these treasures looted during the Eight Nation War". (For those playing along at home, the Eight-Nation War is what the Chinese call the response to the Boxer Rebellion.)

China was subjected to numerous invasions over the century before the Korean War. The Opium Wars (where the west fought them over the right to poison them with Opium), the Boxer Rebellion, and the Japanese invasion that started in 1931 with the annexation of Manchuria. So the Chinese reaction to a UN force in Korea was pretty predictable.