USS Liberty

Um, yeah, not sure what your point was.

My point was that China has not launched an aggressive action since 1979, I didn't compare 1979 to 1950.

China was trying to take pressure off their ally, Cambodia. However, once word started getting out about how bad things were in Cambodia, they did kind of a "Well, never mind". In short, cooler heads prevailed.



Actually, again, it was kind of the opposite. China sees a multi-national force gathering in Korea and marching towards their border, they had every right to be concerned, especially since we were financing and bankrolling a rival government in Taiwan.

A couple of weeks ago, I was with my wife (a Chinese National) at the Art Institute of Chicago, and we were touring the gallery of Chinese artworks with artifacts from various dynasties. And a question she asked was, "Were these treasures looted during the Eight Nation War". (For those playing along at home, the Eight-Nation War is what the Chinese call the response to the Boxer Rebellion.)

China was subjected to numerous invasions over the century before the Korean War. The Opium Wars (where the west fought them over the right to poison them with Opium), the Boxer Rebellion, and the Japanese invasion that started in 1931 with the annexation of Manchuria. So the Chinese reaction to a UN force in Korea was pretty predictable.
I learned today how much you hate Israel and how much you love China.
 
Sure I hate Israel. It's a state based on abusing people based on a fucked up religion.
I know what you believe. You also believe you have White privilege. That myth stumps me. Why do you think you are better than blacks? I never read you hate Islam. Care to explain why not?
 
I know what you believe. You also believe you have White privilege. That myth stumps me. Why do you think you are better than blacks? I never read you hate Islam. Care to explain why not?

Okay, a couple of questions here.

Of course, white privilege exists. Here's how I know white privilege exists. Every company that ever hired me, the person doing the hiring was another white person.

It's not a matter of thinking I am better, it's a matter of that because other white people hold all the levers of power, I have an advantage just by being white, and so do you.

As for Islam, our issue with the Middle East isn't their religion; it's our imperialist policies. We just picked up where the Brits and French left off. I firmly believe they'd leave us alone if we left them alone.

Now, here's the thing: I haven't made the thorough study of Islam I've made of Judeo-Christian faiths. I wasn't brought up in that tradition, so I can't really criticize it. I supposed if I were better versed in Islamic mythology and theology, I could make the kinds of critiques I make of Christian Sects.
 
Of course, white privilege exists. Here's how I know white privilege exists. Every company that ever hired me, the person doing the hiring was another white person.
Why did you reject going to work for a Black ran firm?
 
As for Islam, our issue with the Middle East isn't their religion; it's our imperialist policies. We just picked up where the Brits and French left off. I firmly believe they'd leave us alone if we left them alone.
You must believe you are a God. To act as if the Muslims want peace when they prove they love wars.
 
Now, here's the thing: I haven't made the thorough study of Islam I've made of Judeo-Christian faiths. I wasn't brought up in that tradition, so I can't really criticize it. I supposed if I were better versed in Islamic mythology and theology, I could make the kinds of critiques I make of Christian Sects.
Sounds to me like I am being talked to by a Bigot. Do you know that the Muslims believe in Jesus Christ? I was told this by a Muslim.
 
Why did you reject going to work for a Black ran firm?

Dude, are you dishonest or just stupid? I really have to ask this because you know damned well what I meant and still tried to dishonestly turn it around.

I never had a black person offer me a job because white people control most of the companies in this country. Heck, even when I worked for the Japanese company, it was still white Americans making the hiring calls.

(I worked there for a year and a half and had almost no direct interaction with the Japanese managers. They all sat at their own little table and never interacted with the Americans. They probably complained we were all overweight and bad at math. I think they thought of the US branch as an exile.
 
Sounds to me like I am being talked to by a Bigot. Do you know that the Muslims believe in Jesus Christ? I was told this by a Muslim.
Yes, they believe he was a prophet, but not the son of God.

Doesn't take away from my point at all.

I'd explain it to you again, but you still wouldn't understand.
 
I never had a black person offer me a job because white people control most of the companies in this country. Heck, even when I worked for the Japanese company, it was still white Americans making the hiring calls.
Control yourself Joe. I seem unable to control you though what I tell you is nice and peaceful and not one bit hateful. I wish you mimicked me.

Since you did not work for Black firms, why are you so judgemental? You seem to despise whites to the point you tell me you are white and loaded with white privilege. Why not just enjoy this? You seem very disgusted by whites.
 
Naw, beleiving you can become a god is your whacky cult.

I'm sure you'll get that planet to rule in the Celestial Heaven, bud.
We actually do believe that GOD makes a place for his people and awards kingdoms of their own. Don't worry Joe, there is a party who will get you where you want to be absent God or religion. It is called the grave.
 
Control yourself Joe. I seem unable to control you though what I tell you is nice and peaceful and not one bit hateful. I wish you mimicked me.

Guy, I have no tolerance for stupid people, or dishonest ones... which is pretty much every time i deal with a member of your deranged cult.

Since you did not work for Black firms, why are you so judgemental? You seem to despise whites to the point you tell me you are white and loaded with white privilege. Why not just enjoy this? You seem very disgusted by whites.

Because there are no black firms to work for, you stupid moron.

I get disgusted by whites who are racists and are fine with the way this country is going.


We actually do believe that GOD makes a place for his people and awards kingdoms of their own. Don't worry Joe, there is a party who will get you where you want to be absent God or religion. It is called the grave.

Yeah, Joseph Smith's perverted fantasies of ******* dozens of nubile wives in the afterlife is weird, and kind of telling about him.

Oh, I plan to be cremated...
 
Of course, white privilege exists. Here's how I know white privilege exists. Every company that ever hired me, the person doing the hiring was another white person.
LOL! You know white privilege exists because whenever you've been hired, "the person doing the hiring was another white person"! That proves it! You bet! You clearly have no idea how utterly ridiculous your statement is. It shows a lack of education combined with a lack of logic and critical thinking.

Just FYI, the hiring manager who decided to hire me for Lockheed Martin was black, and he was my manager for a year after I was hired. The hiring manager who decided to hire me for Chenega was black, and she was my manager for three years. One of my supervisors at Homeland Security was an Asian-Indian woman. The CEO of another company I worked for, CFS, was Hispanic. My team lead at NGA was black. My current manager is black.

There are 9.7 million minority-owned businesses in the U.S., just FYI.

Anyway, it just figures that a foul-mouthed anti-Semitic bigot and Mao lover such as you would comically conclude that white privilege exists because all the people who've hired you have been white. It is truly laughable but also sad and pathetic.

I guess you missed the point that I was actually trying to help you out a bit, albeit in a back-handed way, by observing that China's 1979 27-day incursion into a small part of northern Vietnam was not really China's last "offensive war" because it was not really a "war" at all, and that China's last offensive war was the Korean War. I could tell you missed this point when you replied by stressing that you'd said "since 1979." I guess you assumed that I forgot the Korean War happened over 20 years before 1979.

JoeB131: There was no Free China.

Holy cow! You're still doubling down on this craziness. Well, maybe in your Mao-loving, anti-Semitic parallel universe there was no Free China, but here on Earth there was, and still is. The Republic of China was commonly called Free China even in the 1950s because it was far less repressive and totalitarian than Red China. Even though it was an authoritarian state that was dealing with a Mao-backed communist infiltration and sabotage effort, it allowed considerable freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, the right of private property, free enterprise, etc.

Red China had to conduct regular large-scale naval patrols in the Taiwan Strait to stop the thousands of people per month who were trying to flee to Free China because Mao's tyranny was so barbaric and murderous.

Just compare the human rights reports on Red China and Free China (Taiwan, if that helps you) in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, up to the present day.
 
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LOL! You know white privilege exists because whenever you've been hired, "the person doing the hiring was another white person"! That proves it! You bet! You clearly have no idea how utterly ridiculous your statement is. It shows a lack of education combined with a lack of logic and critical thinking.

Well, all the jobs I didn't get, the person doing the interviewing was while. Most of them were men, too.

I think I had one company I interviewed with where the person was Indian. I knew I wasn't taking the job halfway through the interview.

Just FYI, the hiring manager who decided to hire me for Lockheed Martin was black, and he was my manager for a year after I was hired. The hiring manager who decided to hire me for Chenega was black, and she was my manager for three years. One of my supervisors at Homeland Security was an Asian-Indian woman. The CEO of another company I worked for, CFS, was Hispanic. My team lead at NGA was black. My current manager is black.

Um, sure. Whatever. Who owns those companies? Who is the CEO of Lockheed?

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There are 9.7 million minority-owned businesses in the U.S., just FYI.

Most of which are small ones I probably never would have bothered with. Heck, I own two small businesses, it's just not that impressive.

Anyway, it just figures that a foul-mouthed anti-Semitic bigot and Mao lover such as you would comically conclude that white privilege exists because all the people who've hired you have been white. It is truly laughable but also sad and pathetic.

Well, no, it's practical. If the majority of companies and HR managers are white, of course, whites are going to have a huge advantage in hiring.


By investigating a variety of White-Black unemployment-rate comparisons, this report reveals that White people as a group always have better employment outcomes than similar Black people. Among veterans, people with disabilities, people who were formerly incarcerated, and the foreign-born, the data suggests that employers prefer White candidates over their Black peers. White people fare better in finding employment even when educational attainment, skills, and city of residence are the same.

Key takeaways can be found below:

  • From 2000 to 2022, in 14 out of 23 years, the overall Black unemployment rate was higher than the rate for White high school dropouts.
  • Across five different categories of college majors, the Black unemployment rates are double the respective White rates.
  • The Black teen unemployment rate is nearly double the White rate. Even when employers have little or no skill requirements, they still prefer White candidates.
  • The White-Black unemployment disparity is much larger within Chicago, New York, and the District of Columbia than in the nation overall.

I guess you missed the point that I was actually trying to help you out a bit, albeit in a back-handed way, by observing that China's 1979 27-day incursion into a small part of northern Vietnam was not really China's last "offensive war" because it was not really a "war" at all, and that China's last offensive war was the Korean War. I could tell you missed this point when you replied by stressing that you'd said "since 1979." I guess you assumed that I forgot the Korean War happened over 20 years before 1979.

You were completely missing the point. China hasn't launched a war on anyone since 1979. I can't say the same of our country.

Why you went on a long rant trying to rationalize the Korean War (which never should have happened) is beyond me, but you go off on a lot of crazy tangent.
 
Mormon Mike is still a retard.
Oh, boy! Does your mom know you're using her laptop to post such juvenile insults?

Well, all the jobs I didn't get, the person doing the interviewing was while. Most of them were men, too.
And?

I think I had one company I interviewed with where the person was Indian. I knew I wasn't taking the job halfway through the interview.
Gee, I wonder why.

Um, sure. Whatever. Who owns those companies? Who is the CEO of Lockheed?
#Avoiding the point.

Most of which are small ones I probably never would have bothered with. Heck, I own two small businesses, it's just not that impressive.
#Avoiding the point.

Well, no, it's practical. If the majority of companies and HR managers are white, of course, whites are going to have a huge advantage in hiring.
That's not what you said. Now you've substantially shifted your argument and moved the goal posts, probably because it dawned on you how idiotic your argument was.

Of course you run to a far-left group for support.

[SNIPPED cherry-picked, selectively misleading stats peddled by a far-left think tank.]
Again, this is far removed from your original argument, which was that you "knew" white privilege exists because all the hiring managers who hired you were white.

You were completely missing the point. China hasn't launched a war on anyone since 1979. I can't say the same of our country.
SMH. No, I didn't miss the point, but you did. I don't know how much more clearly I can explain it to you than I already have.

Why you went on a long rant trying to rationalize the Korean War (which never should have happened) is beyond me, but you go off on a lot of crazy tangent.
Yeah, it does appear to be beyond you.

I notice you declined to address the fact that China launched a massive offensive war to prevent American forces from liberating North Korea from its brutal dictatorship. Let's see: Who was running China at the time? Oh, that's right: Your hero, mass murderer Mao Tse-Tung.
 
Islam never should have started the genocide. Now they suffer by their own hands.

Clearly the Muslims have infected the United States of America.



Perhaps if you had ever spent time in the Middle East talking to members of both sides and actually studied the conflict you would know better than to make such absurd statements.

For example, native Palestinian Jews and native Palestinian Arabs were able to share the land in relative peace(1) before the invasion of Nazi trained and armed (2) terrorist gangs who began the 80 years of the genocidal Nakba in the 1940s (3)

(1). “Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.” Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly. Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.” CONTINUED


(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(3). “Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted.

"A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives. Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers.

Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.[2] Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive." CONTINUED

Re:
Clearly the Muslims have infected the United States of America.

You and your fellow Zionophiles are proof that the opposite is true.

How many times has Europe's Zionist colony murdered Americans with impunity(4), extorted $ Trillions (5) and kept Israel's arsenal filled with American ordinance and weaponry?


(4). "ISRAEL JUST KILLED ANOTHER AMERICAN IN THE WEST BANK. WILL THE U.S. EVER RESPOND?"

EXCERPT "ISRAELI SOLDIERS SHOT and killed American activist Aysenur Ezgi Eygi on Friday while she was protesting an illegal settlement in the occupied West Bank, according to local media reports.

Lara Friedman, president of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, told The Intercept that such muted responses from the U.S government after the killings of American citizens in the occupied West Bank has become de facto policy."CONTINUED


(5). "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html
By Thomas R. Stauffer

EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S.
aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED
(6). "US delivers over 20,000 'dumb bombs' to Israel since 7 Oct"


"Benjamin Netanyahu has been lobbying US lawmakers to speed up weapons transfers to Israel during his trip to Washington"

EXCERPT "The data shows that Washington has sent over 20,000 unguided bombs, around 2,600 guided bombs, and 3,000 precision missiles.

Unguided bombs, also known as “dumb bombs,” are typically less precise and kill larger numbers of civilians, especially in densely populated areas like Gaza.

Aircraft, air defense systems, and ammunition have also been shipped to Israel since the start of the war in Gaza.

Many of these shipments have been classified or kept under the table. What had been delivered by March this year already constitutes “an enormous number and variety of weapons,”(*) according to an analysis by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

The report came as Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on a visit to Washington, where he met with Joe Biden and his vice president on 25 July and gave a speech in front of the US Congress a day earlier." CONTINUED

(*) facts like "classified" and "under the table" weaponry and "aid" are proof that it Israeli lobbies, spies and genocidal shills are who really infect America and prey on loyal American taxpayers, G.I.s etc


I regret that I can't respond to all civil comments to me but I can only write when time permits.
 
Perhaps if you had ever spent time in the Middle East talking to members of both sides and actually studied the conflict you would know better than to make such absurd statements.

For example, native Palestinian Jews and native Palestinian Arabs were able to share the land in relative peace(1) before the invasion of Nazi trained and armed (2) terrorist gangs who began the 80 years of the genocidal Nakba in the 1940s (3)

(1). “Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.” Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly. Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.” CONTINUED


(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(3). “Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”

EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted.

"A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives. Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers.

Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.[2] Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive." CONTINUED

Re:

You and your fellow Zionophiles are proof that the opposite is true.

How many times has Europe's Zionist colony murdered Americans with impunity(4), extorted $ Trillions (5) and kept Israel's arsenal filled with American ordinance and weaponry?

(4). "ISRAEL JUST KILLED ANOTHER AMERICAN IN THE WEST BANK. WILL THE U.S. EVER RESPOND?"

EXCERPT "ISRAELI SOLDIERS SHOT and killed American activist Aysenur Ezgi Eygi on Friday while she was protesting an illegal settlement in the occupied West Bank, according to local media reports.

Lara Friedman, president of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, told The Intercept that such muted responses from the U.S government after the killings of American citizens in the occupied West Bank has become de facto policy."CONTINUED

(5). "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html
By Thomas R. Stauffer

EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S.
aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED
(6). "US delivers over 20,000 'dumb bombs' to Israel since 7 Oct"


"Benjamin Netanyahu has been lobbying US lawmakers to speed up weapons transfers to Israel during his trip to Washington"

EXCERPT "The data shows that Washington has sent over 20,000 unguided bombs, around 2,600 guided bombs, and 3,000 precision missiles.

Unguided bombs, also known as “dumb bombs,” are typically less precise and kill larger numbers of civilians, especially in densely populated areas like Gaza.

Aircraft, air defense systems, and ammunition have also been shipped to Israel since the start of the war in Gaza.

Many of these shipments have been classified or kept under the table. What had been delivered by March this year already constitutes “an enormous number and variety of weapons,”(*) according to an analysis by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

The report came as Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on a visit to Washington, where he met with Joe Biden and his vice president on 25 July and gave a speech in front of the US Congress a day earlier." CONTINUED

(*) facts like "classified" and "under the table" weaponry and "aid" are proof that it Israeli lobbies, spies and genocidal shills are who really infect America and prey on loyal American taxpayers, G.I.s etc

I regret that I can't respond to all civil comments to me but I can only write when time permits.

Most of this is downright looney-tune material that ignores the known history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, and most of it comes from virulently anti-Semitic sources. You are saying most of the same things that ISIS, the PLO, Hamas, Al Qaeda, and Hezbollah have been saying for years.

Again, you will not find a reputable historian who has researched the USS Liberty incident who claims that Israel knew the ship was American and purposely attacked it anyway. The USS Liberty conspiracy theory is as fringe and disreputable as the 9/11 Truther garbage and the fake Moon landings lunacy.
 
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