US politicians should not punish Russian people. Because when the USA invaded Iraq Americans were not punished.

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

This war slowed Russia down dramatically. They have taken a massive hit and wont be a problem for quite some time. That is good for Americans and the world.

Russia was not a problem toward America. Their thousands of miles away with no interest in invading us. So what are we slowing them down for.?

I mean Russia and the USA worked together against Al-Qaeda for example after 911. Russia is a member of the UN Security Council along with our country.

But some have said that Russia is doing just fine. Their economy is doing good actually. And US involvement in Ukraine is more a negative for us than it is bad for Russia.

 

[Godboy]

Russia was not a problem toward America. Their thousands of miles away with no interest in invading us. So what are we slowing them down for.?

I mean Russia and the USA worked together against Al-Qaeda for example after 911. Russia is a member of the UN Security Council along with our country.

But some have said that Russia is doing just fine. Their economy is doing good actually. And US involvement in Ukraine is more a negative for us than it is bad for Russia.

Russia IS our enemy. The steal from us, they attempt to effect our elections, and they vote at the UN against us. They get what they get.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

No. Either you are sadly misinformed, or you are an intentional liar and propagandist.
On 7 October 2023, 1,139 Israelis and foreign nationals, including 764 civilians, were killed, and 248 persons taken hostage during the initial attack
Early estimates were much higher than 1,139, but have been revised downward.

Casualties of the Israel–Hamas war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Calm down. No need for personal language.

One report said that many of these Israeli civilians killed were connected to the military, not necessary, direct members of the Israeli military. But there’s a whole host of issues there. Did the Israeli military allow October 7 to happen. The attack makes no sense.

More than 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war, Gaza Health Ministry says

The ministry in Hamas-ruled Gaza said on Monday that 107 bodies were brought to hospitals in the last 24 hours.

apnews.com

Even if what you’re saying is accurate, the IDF has wiped out way way way more civilians compared to Hamas

Hamas there is a terrible military organization they’re incapable of inflicting any real damage on Israel. OK is it like they have destroyed 30,000 Israelis ??? nope. Do you see Hamas tanks or airplanes doing whatever the heck they want in Tel Aviv? No we don’t. There is a massive difference, sir.

Hamas is awful at protecting their own people they’re getting destroyed in Gaza.

Ok this is the point that was responded to. It’s about Israeli attacks on civilians. So please respond to the whole post not just cut out a portion of it.



And this is about Russia. OK it’s about the US support of Ukraine, which is preposterous considering Russia did not support Iraq in 2003.

 

[Unkotare]

Because Biden supporters are often uneducated and have a short attention span I will put this in the first paragraph. Please keep in mind when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003 … American people were not sanctioned by Russia or the international world. Americans were free to travel where they wanted. They could go to Spain or have a good time in Asia and use their credit card and debit cards.

News Wrap: Biden to impose major sanctions on Russia in response to Navalny's death

In our news wrap Tuesday, President Biden says the U.S. will impose major new sanctions on Russia after Alexei Navalny's death, the U.S. vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, two men are charged with murder for Super Bowl parade shootings in Kansas...

www.pbs.org

The various sanctions that the United States has influenced on Russia has had a dramatic effect on the Russian people.

Along with Belarusians, for example.

For example, a Russian or Belarusian has a difficult time traveling now. And they cannot use their debit or credit cards in foreign countries. They’re blocked.

I was informed of this by a Belarusian here in Cambodia along with some Russians in Thailand. This is disgraceful. As an American hearing them telling me “yeah man we can’t use our credit or debit cards When we travel we have to bring a bunch of cash.”

The Russians and Russians are our fellow Christians. These are beautiful people. They also have diverse cultures. There are Jews and Muslims within their ranks. Such wonderful people. Of course they stood tall in World War II on our side.

A lot of our fellow Americans don’t travel anywhere. They’re not aware of the world around them. Whatever they are told by CNN or Fox News is what they believe…..They should explore the world learn about different countries or at least read a book or watch documentaries about the Russian people … that’s actually the liberal way.

Don't hurry back.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Russia IS our enemy. The steal from us, they attempt to effect our elections, and they vote at the UN against us. They get what they get.

Wait a minute I thought you were a Trump supporter. That whole Russian collusion thing was a hoax.

Obviously, there is rivalry between Russia and the USA. Do you know that there has also been spying on the USA from Israel. See Jonathan pollard

And probably even England and these things go both ways. It’s very very much unfortunate. Big powers of the world often compete with each other. And they also need to find ways to work together. But when you talk about supporting a military against somebody else’s country, it’s a huge deal. And it just isn’t right. It’s going too far.

The USA is going too far in supporting Ukraine’s military.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Because Biden supporters are often uneducated and have a short attention span I will put this in the first paragraph. Please keep in mind when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003 … American people were not sanctioned by Russia or the international world. Americans were free to travel where they wanted. They could go to Spain or have a good time in Asia and use their credit card and debit cards.

News Wrap: Biden to impose major sanctions on Russia in response to Navalny's death

In our news wrap Tuesday, President Biden says the U.S. will impose major new sanctions on Russia after Alexei Navalny's death, the U.S. vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, two men are charged with murder for Super Bowl parade shootings in Kansas...

www.pbs.org

The various sanctions that the United States has influenced on Russia has had a dramatic effect on the Russian people.

Along with Belarusians, for example.

For example, a Russian or Belarusian has a difficult time traveling now. And they cannot use their debit or credit cards in foreign countries. They’re blocked.

I was informed of this by a Belarusian here in Cambodia along with some Russians in Thailand. This is disgraceful. As an American hearing them telling me “yeah man we can’t use our credit or debit cards When we travel we have to bring a bunch of cash.”

The Russians and Russians are our fellow Christians. These are beautiful people. They also have diverse cultures. There are Jews and Muslims within their ranks. Such wonderful people. Of course they stood tall in World War II on our side.

A lot of our fellow Americans don’t travel anywhere. They’re not aware of the world around them. Whatever they are told by CNN or Fox News is what they believe…..They should explore the world learn about different countries or at least read a book or watch documentaries about the Russian people … that’s actually the liberal way.

I agree, nit the Russian people. The Russian military and Putin, though, lets murder those fuckers.

 

[Unkotare]

Drug problem and porn along with the feminization of men has ZOMBIFIED many Americans.

Most, especially this is the case with the hard-core pro-Ukrainian supporters in America. Many of them don’t know much about the history of Ukraine. They don’t understand that it was once part of the Soviet Union. Some of them might not understand anything about Ukraine other than a few points They learn on CNN or Fox News.

For example, some Americans, who support Ukraine, believe that every Russian is a brain, dead supporter of Putin. That’s blatantly not the case simply look at YouTube the 1420 channel where Russians are interviewed on the streets of Moscow and they vehemently criticize Putin.

 

[Unkotare]

Wait a minute I thought you were a Trump supporter. That whole Russian collusion thing was a hoax.

Obviously, there is rivalry between Russia and the USA. Do you know that there has also been spying on the USA from Israel. See Jonathan pollard

And probably even England and these things go both ways. It’s very very much unfortunate. Big powers of the world often compete with each other. And they also need to find ways to work together. But when you talk about supporting a military against somebody else’s country, it’s a huge deal. And it just isn’t right. It’s going too far.

The USA is going too far in supporting Ukraine’s military.

 

[Kondor3]

That’s usually how Biden supporters act. When there’s nothing of substance to say, just launch a personal attack or post some picture.

Merely responding in the simplistic manner to which your ears and MAGA-rotted brain are accustomed...

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

Merely responding in the simplistic manner to which your ears and MAGA-rotted brain are accustomed...

No substance ^

You’re in here providing your own time in this thread. Very interesting, at least provide some substance.

 

[cnm]

US politicians should not punish Russian people. Because when the USA invaded Iraq Americans were not punished.​

You've got that backwards. Russian politicians should have punished American people because Iraq was invaded. Now look what you've caused.

 

[luiza]

Bravely said OP
The level of pig ignorance shown in this thread by many of the posters is disgraceful , though not surprising .

It underlines their reliance on the MSM , Fake News and belief in misinformation and simple propaganda .
It's difficult to change ingrained positions and is one main reason that I fear overall for America , because not only are they split horribly internally , but , in general terms , they haven't a clue what is happening in the rest of the world .
They are close to being yesterday's people .

 

[alang1216]

Yes, I understand your point. But we could both acknowledge the similarities and differences.

And we can both acknowledge the USA has intervened or invaded more countries in the 20th century than any other country during that time.

But we can also discuss what if Mexico join some anti-American alliance and they’re right on our border. I mean, there is a very important thing to note here Ukraine was once a part of the Soviet union, so even even if you look at it as a landgrab it’s important to know that because then it opens up the conversation to realizing that it’s perhaps not necessary to call it a land grab, but something that some portion of Ukrainians and Russians want to happen.


He is also important to note that some portion of Iraqi people actually wanted an American intervention in 2003, even if it’s a small portion.

But I enjoy the conversation. It’s thought provoking and I appreciate your points and honesty. Of course look at what the Biden supporters say. They hate freedom of speech. They’re against American values so when they see topics like this, all they can say is

“Russian propaganda”

Other words they’re trying to shut down speech. The attempt to get as many like-minded people together to drown somebody out as a “propagandist.”

If the US had been the only country to sanction Russia, they'd have just laughed at us. That was not the case and most of the West joined in the sanctions. If a major part of the world thinks your actions were wrong, maybe they were.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I agree, nit the Russian people. The Russian military and Putin, though, lets murder those fuckers.

Luiza disagrees. Luiza is one if the many Russobots here.

 

[White 6]

Calm down. No need for personal language.

One report said that many of these Israeli civilians killed were connected to the military, not necessary, direct members of the Israeli military. But there’s a whole host of issues there. Did the Israeli military allow October 7 to happen. The attack makes no sense.

More than 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war, Gaza Health Ministry says

The ministry in Hamas-ruled Gaza said on Monday that 107 bodies were brought to hospitals in the last 24 hours.

apnews.com

Even if what you’re saying is accurate, the IDF has wiped out way way way more civilians compared to Hamas

Hamas there is a terrible military organization they’re incapable of inflicting any real damage on Israel. OK is it like they have destroyed 30,000 Israelis ??? nope. Do you see Hamas tanks or airplanes doing whatever the heck they want in Tel Aviv? No we don’t. There is a massive difference, sir.

Hamas is awful at protecting their own people they’re getting destroyed in Gaza.

Ok this is the point that was responded to. It’s about Israeli attacks on civilians. So please respond to the whole post not just cut out a portion of it.



And this is about Russia. OK it’s about the US support of Ukraine, which is preposterous considering Russia did not support Iraq in 2003.

I'm calm it is a simple statement of fact. You could be sadly misinformed, making simply innocent mistake.
If it was not a mistake, due to ignorance, (with I hold against nobody, especially after informing them of the truth and providing credible link to back up numbers or facts used) the it could only be an intentional statement, making is an intention lie or propaganda, which is a nicer word for political lies and untruths, propagandists would like to see accepted, unquestioned or called. In this case, you are simply called out, and the door is open as to which error you have made.

My numbers are conservatively correct, and yes, I have other references, so my statements are far closer to true.

I am not at all upset as to the number of Hamas killed in the days, weeks, or months since their ill advised, inhuman terrorist invasion. They chose to invade and commit their atrocities. It was their choice. The could choose to surrender, not hiding in civilian homes, apartment buildings or public use structures, attempting to use the Gaza population as human shields, while shooting at the Israelis, trying to kill the terrorists and liberate the Israelis being held hostage, raped and killed. They could give safe passage to non-combatant Gaze residents out of the zone, but no, they choose to keep them in the line of fire. Again, their chose. Fuck Hamas and anybody that supports their terrorist activities. Of course, not know you, nor speaking to you about it, before, I assume you are an honorable man and totally disavow and condemn the Hamas terrorists, their leadership, and all that had a hand in their terrorist attack of October. Only a sadistic, black-hearted, Anti-Semite, with no respect for international law, or indeed human morals or ethics could support such an inhuman terrorist attack, killing civilian men, women, children and indeed babies. But, of course, we are honorable men, so I would not accuse you of being such an inhuman piece of shit, unless you chose to take that mantle upon yourself.

 

[sealybobo]

Because Biden supporters are often uneducated and have a short attention span I will put this in the first paragraph. Please keep in mind when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003 … American people were not sanctioned by Russia or the international world. Americans were free to travel where they wanted. They could go to Spain or have a good time in Asia and use their credit card and debit cards.

News Wrap: Biden to impose major sanctions on Russia in response to Navalny's death

In our news wrap Tuesday, President Biden says the U.S. will impose major new sanctions on Russia after Alexei Navalny's death, the U.S. vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, two men are charged with murder for Super Bowl parade shootings in Kansas...

www.pbs.org

The various sanctions that the United States has influenced on Russia has had a dramatic effect on the Russian people.

Along with Belarusians, for example.

For example, a Russian or Belarusian has a difficult time traveling now. And they cannot use their debit or credit cards in foreign countries. They’re blocked.

I was informed of this by a Belarusian here in Cambodia along with some Russians in Thailand. This is disgraceful. As an American hearing them telling me “yeah man we can’t use our credit or debit cards When we travel we have to bring a bunch of cash.”

The Russians and Belarusians are our fellow Christians. These are beautiful people. They also have diverse cultures. There are Jews and Muslims within their ranks. Such wonderful people. Of course they stood tall in World War II on our side.

A lot of our fellow Americans don’t travel anywhere. They’re not aware of the world around them. Whatever they are told by CNN or Fox News is what they believe…..They should explore the world learn about different countries or at least read a book or watch documentaries about the Russian people … that’s actually the liberal way.

Notice how the executives of the last administration, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld don’t travel abroad these days? They fear arrest for war crimes.

In Case You Forgot: George W. Bush Is a Horrific War Criminal

Liberals today are trying to rehabilitate the image of George W. Bush. Don’t let them — his monstrous invasion of Iraq, based on lies, led to mass death in Iraq and untold damage to democracy in the US.

jacobin.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Notice how the executives of the last administration, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld don’t travel abroad these days? They fear arrest for war crimes.

In Case You Forgot: George W. Bush Is a Horrific War Criminal

Liberals today are trying to rehabilitate the image of George W. Bush. Don’t let them — his monstrous invasion of Iraq, based on lies, led to mass death in Iraq and untold damage to democracy in the US.

jacobin.com

Notice how the executives of the last administration, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld don’t travel abroad these days?

Really? You have their itineraries for the last 10 years?

 

[sealybobo]

Notice how the executives of the last administration, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld don’t travel abroad these days?

Really? You have their itineraries for the last 10 years?

Oh Chaney might dip out covertly. He's with Haloburton. I'm sure he pulls off a international hit job every once in awhile. Literally he could be a villain in a James Bond movie. Or Austin Powers.

Bush is riddled with guilt over what he did. He actually believes in Jesus and he feels very guilty for the shit Mr. Chaney (that's what he calls him) made him do.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh Chaney might dip out covertly. He's with Haloburton. I'm sure he pulls off a international hit job every once in awhile. Literally he could be a villain in a James Bond movie. Or Austin Powers.

Bush is riddled with guilt over what he did. He actually believes in Jesus and he feels very guilty for the shit Mr. Chaney (that's what he calls him) made him do.

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No actual evidence then?

 

[sealybobo]

No actual evidence then?

Who do you think I am?