Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[meaner gene]

Trump decides a document isn't classified and takes it. Your answer seriously is it's up to the documenter? That's just so stupid, so you

You miss the big point. Those records, whether a classified document, or the Sharpe marked up State of the Union speech. All go to the national archives upon the president leaving office.

 

[kaz]

You miss the big point. Those records, whether a classified document, or the Sharpe marked up State of the Union speech. All go to the national archives upon the president leaving office.

Right, that doesn't justify coming into a former President's house by force. I said this before, you're the one not clicking, Cicada

 

[meaner gene]

Yes, and that's something that they discussion with him, not forcibly search his house. You Nazis search houses

Let me put it into a context you can understand.

Say as a hypothetical that you and your wife get a divorce, and the judge says upon finalization, that you are awarded sole custody of the children.
The divorce is finalized on January 20th, and your ex-wife, takes the kids down to florida.

You go down to florida, and have the local police go to her house, and they find one of your three children. And she says that's all she had.
A year later, you get a court order, and send the sheriff to her house, and they find another of your kids.

Do you "negotiate" to find the third child?

 

[AsherN]

No it doesn't.

Actually, it does. Absent of markings to the contrary, a classified document remains classified. Hence the process to declassify.

 

[kaz]

Let me put it into a context you can understand.

Say as a hypothetical that you and your wife get a divorce, and the judge says upon finalization, that you are awarded sole custody of the children.
The divorce is finalized on January 20th, and your ex-wife, takes the kids down to florida.

You go down to florida, and have the local police go to her house, and they find one of your three children. And she says that's all she had.
A year later, you get a court order, and send the sheriff to her house, and they find another of your kids.

Do you "negotiate" to find the third child?

Why does that fail as an analogy, Grasshopper?

I realize you don't know, but I'll give you a hint you won't understand because of your limited intelligence. They were at different stages of court. You compared something the judge ordered in open court with the FBI asking to invade his home from a judge with Trump unaware

 

[AsherN]

The president determines which documents are "presidential records," morons. I've already proved that.

Not Presidential records, what he can take are personal records.

 

[Flopper]

Technically Trump could claim the policy was enacted during the year and a half that Bolton wasn't there. Yeah I know it's incredible but possible. But that would also mean Trump has to provide the date of when the policy started, and when each of the documents arrived in the residence.

Trump never claimed that he waved his magic wand over the documents inside the residence. Only those that went from the oval office to the residence.

First he claims there are no documents, then he claims he declassified those non-exist document, and finally he claims the FBI put those non-existent, declassified documents there.

Trump is going to convict himself, if he doesn't start keeping his mouth shut.

 

[playtime]

He literally said thd FBI planted them AND he wanted them "back."

AND doesn't realize he sunk himself ever further when he complained that the planted evidence that he wanted back WASN'T 'scattered on the floor but in cartons in his office'.

oh dear. oh my.

 

[AsherN]

So Trump has to ask the guy who documents his permission to change the status of the documents to unclassified? We know that's not true.

You did not answer the question. Trump decides a document isn't classified and takes it. Your answer seriously is it's up to the documenter? That's just so stupid, so you

No. The President declassifies documents one of 2 ways.

The customary way is to notify the agency(ies) who own the document of his intention to do so. They will either say yes or document their objections. The President can heed the objection of declassify anyway. The agency(ies) are notified of the declassification in order to mark all copies.

The other way is to declassify on the fly, usually while meeting or negotiating. Relevant agency(ies) are then notified of the fact.

Without being notified, all copies of that document, and all instances of the particular inforation will remain classified.

 

[Lakhota]

NEW RAID DETAILS: EMPTY ‘CLASSIFIED’ FOLDERS!

Where are the documents from the 43 classified folders?

 

[Mac1958]

Exactly WHERE the **** are the documents that were in these folders?

"Military Aide"? Military documents?

REAL Americans would like to know.

 

[Marener]

So Trump has to ask the guy who documents his permission to change the status of the documents to unclassified? We know that's not true.

You did not answer the question. Trump decides a document isn't classified and takes it. Your answer seriously is it's up to the documenter? That's just so stupid, so you

Trump has yet to say before any actual authority that any of these documents are declassified.

 

[bripat9643]

And I proved that the documents Trump had were government property.

No you didn't, turd.

As all classified materials begin as government property, and after declassification remain government property.

You keep making claims that have no visible means of support.

The only way for Trump to convert them into personal property is by purchase, or documented legal transfer. Which DID NOT HAPPEN.

Wrong again. Progs just make up stuff that suits their narrative.

Trump can no more declare a document to be personal property than he can declare air force one to be personal property.

A federal judge ruled otherwise.

“Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President’s term and in his sole discretion,” Jackson wrote.​

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“Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records,” the judge wrote.​

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The ruling also argued that the seizure of records such as these is inappropriate.​

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“Because the audiotapes are not physically in the government’s possession, defendant submits that it would be required to seize them directly from President Clinton in order to assume custody and control over them,” Jackson noted. “Defendant considers this to be an ‘extraordinary request’ that is ‘unfounded, contrary to the PRA’s express terms, and contrary to traditional principles of administrative law.’ The Court agrees.”​

 

[bripat9643]

What Trump did NOT DO, is to turn those records over to the National Archives, as required by law.

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of...

www.archives.gov

The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public

Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

Trump decides what gets turned over, not some two-bit functionary who works for the National Archives.

 

[bripat9643]

Simple. Trump stole them.

Thank you very much.

In other words, they weren't in the government's possession.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, it does. Absent of markings to the contrary, a classified document remains classified. Hence the process to declassify.

Wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

Not Presidential records, what he can take are personal records.

The president makes the determination, moron, not some emo two-bit government functionary.

 

[Marener]

Trump decides what gets turned over, not some two-bit functionary who works for the National Archives.

If Trump says the sky is green, then the sky is green.

Is that about right?

 

[kaz]

No. The President declassifies documents one of 2 ways.

The customary way is to notify the agency(ies) who own the document of his intention to do so. They will either say yes or document their objections. The President can heed the objection of declassify anyway. The agency(ies) are notified of the declassification in order to mark all copies.

The other way is to declassify on the fly, usually while meeting or negotiating. Relevant agency(ies) are then notified of the fact.

Without being notified, all copies of that document, and all instances of the particular inforation will remain classified.

This still doesn't answer the question, what if he doesn't follow the agency's procedures, they call a group of cops to gang tackle him?

None of this says if the President keeps the documents, then they send in the FBI with search warrants to take every document in his house they can find.

And you still have zero links

 

[bripat9643]

If Trump says the sky is green, then the sky is green.

Is that about right?

Trump didn't say that. A federal judge did in a case involving Clinton.