Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[RetiredGySgt]

Maybe try reading the link before you pop off...

"Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both."

he didnt conceal them

 

[Faun]

Here's Trumps problem.

It is highly probable that not all classified documents in the residence arrived from the oval office. Some may have been taken directly from secure storage, and his aides brought it directly to the president in the residence. Which would not qualify under Trumps "blanket declassification claim"

Thus Trump would have to identify the route of each of the documents, with some specificity as to how and when each of them got there.

And there was no such "blanket."

However, Bolton told the Times he had never been told of such an order during his time in the White House or afterward.

“I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in,” Bolton said.

“If he were to say something like that, you would have to memorialize that, so that people would know it existed,” Bolton added.​

 

[meaner gene]

On the other hand, Trump, who literally can't commit a crime by taking documents WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT because his taking them literally declassified them and you want to hang him. Of course you do, you're a mental stooge

The question of classification isn't even important when it comes to the statutes from the search warrant. Trump stole government property PERIOD.
No different than if Trump tried to put the presidential limo into his private garage, or keep AF-1 next to his other jet.

 

[meaner gene]

he didnt conceal them

If Trump didn't hand them over, he concealed them.

con·ceal
verb
keep from sight; hide.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If Trump didn't hand them over, he concealed them.

con·ceal
verb
keep from sight; hide.

they are his to keep any way he wants

 

[Faun]

they are his to keep any way he wants

Not if they're classified.

 

[meaner gene]

And there was no such "blanket."

However, Bolton told the Times he had never been told of such an order during his time in the White House or afterward.

“I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in,” Bolton said.

“If he were to say something like that, you would have to memorialize that, so that people would know it existed,” Bolton added.​

Technically Trump could claim the policy was enacted during the year and a half that Bolton wasn't there. Yeah I know it's incredible but possible. But that would also mean Trump has to provide the date of when the policy started, and when each of the documents arrived in the residence.

Trump never claimed that he waved his magic wand over the documents inside the residence. Only those that went from the oval office to the residence.

 

[meaner gene]

they are his to keep any way he wants

Classified records are government property, that's not in dispute.
Declassified records, continue to be government property, also not in dispute.
Government property can't be converted into personal property, except by purchase or other legal and documented transfer of ownership.

Trump can't claim ownership of government property, whether it's a classified or formerly classified document, or the desk in the oval office, or air force one.

 

[meaner gene]

Not if they're classified.

And not if they "were" classified, and are now declassified.

Those records were born property of the US Government, and will forever remain property of the US Government.

 

[Flopper]

And when those docs got to MAL he was no longer President.

Thus in violation of the PRA and the three statutes mentioned in the recovery warrant

I wonder how the documents got to Mar A Lago. The residency as well personal items from the West Wing are packed by the White House Staff on Jan 20 and shipped from the Residency to Mar A Lago. Presidential and classified documents are packed and shipped to the NARA facilities under the supervision of the NARA days before the inauguration.

 

[bripat9643]

They were marked up as classified and NOT marked up as unclassified. That makes them classified.

No it doesn't.

 

[bripat9643]

Nope, but a president not returning classified documents after leaving office, is.

The president determines which documents are "presidential records," morons. I've already proved that.

 

[bripat9643]

Here's Trumps problem.

It is highly probable that not all classified documents in the residence arrived from the oval office. Some may have been taken directly from secure storage, and his aides brought it directly to the president in the residence. Which would not qualify under Trumps "blanket declassification claim"

Thus Trump would have to identify the route of each of the documents, with some specificity as to how and when each of them got there.

Did you have any actual facts to post?

 

[bripat9643]

They were always in government possession.
Whether in possession of the office of the president, or the National Archives. They were always in government hands.

How could they be in the government's possession of they were in storage at Mar A Lago?

 

[bripat9643]

The documents were no longer in the folder. They were either concealed or destroyed. They just have to prove the documents were missing. With both possible dispositions covering the possibilities.

They have to prove a lot more than that, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually the location alone was a clue. YOu don't store presidential records in a sock draw. They were personal records, and that's what the judge said of them.

You don't store them in your closet either.

 

[Faun]

No it doesn't.

Of course it does. How else do you think it's determined a document is classified or not?

 

[bripat9643]

Of course it does. How else do you think it's determined a document is classified or not?

No it doesn't. You're talking about details after the fact.

 

[Flopper]

They should charge Trump with theft of government property. For taking the 48 empty classified file covers.

It's not just theft or removal or government documents but destruction. There are a lot of missing documents according to NARA. Also presidential document returned from Mar A Lago were damaged or destroyed. A number of documents had to be reconstructed but some could not be saved. These documents had both evidentiary and historical value.

In the days prior to Trump leaving office, documents were being incinerated which is not uncommon. However what is uncommon is for a president to allow documents to be destroyed without the knowledge of National Archivist, NARA which is require by law.

 

[bripat9643]

It's not just theft or removal or government documents but destruction. There are a lot of missing documents according to NARA. Also presidential document returned from Mar A Lago were damaged or destroyed. A number of documents had to be reconstructed but some could not be saved. These documents had both evidentiary and historical value.

In the days prior to Trump leaving office, documents were being incinerated which is not uncommon. However what is uncommon is for a president to allow documents to be destroyed without the knowledge of National Archivist, NARA which is require by law.

Yeah, Trump tore up hist grocery list.

Hang him!