Unreported Polling on Gary Johnson...

[bripat9643]

I heard on the radio a few days ago, the commission that sets these debate 'rules' is made up of Republicans and Democrats. The bar used to be 10% set by them, but after Ross Perot did so well and made it to the debates the 'commission' arbitrarily raised it to 15%. The whole intent of course is to shut out any third party.

This is not democracy. The major parties should not be able to set this agenda AT ALL. No need to wonder why all those other democracies out there have numerous parties sharing power in the government but the US never does. The two parties have it rigged all the way through.

But the American people don't do anything about it so it continues.

They're mostly Democrats with a few quisling establishment Republicans - people like Olympia Snow and John Danforth. There's hardly anything impartial about it. If it was impartial then people like Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin would be moderators, not just a bunch of lib journalists.

You are the reason it never changes. How in hell did you get so angry at the world.

How am I the reason it never changes?

 

[Andylusion]

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

Of course we will never hear this on mainstream media. Because it does not matter, and will have zero effect on the national outcome.

Gary will not place 1st. Nor will he place 2nd. He will place 3rd. As all the mainstream 3rd party Candidates have in the past 30 years.

The best he can hope to do, is possibly give the election to the candidate he takes the least number of votes from.

There isn't a single state in the Union, where a 3rd party had the majority of the popular vote. Not even one individual state... let alone the country at large.

I remember Ross Perot. Barely 6 states in the entire country, gave him 30% of the popular vote. In short, nothing. As in nothing.

Gary will be no different.... so who cares? Why should the mass media report on a completely irrelevant candidate that has zero hope of being anything more than a foot note, and a short foot note in history, at best?

But isn't that the point? If he were actually in the debates, and exposed to the low information voter, he might possibly come in first.

Well, the Deep State can't have that, can they now?

Unless the Republicans ran Stalin, and Democrats ran Hitler..... No amount of media exposure to Gary would make any difference at all.

I know people who don't even watch the debates, and automatically vote Republican or Democrats, because "I'm Republican" and "I'm Democrat". Gary doesn't have that, and NEVER will. Never. EVER. At any point.

Unless they run Hitler and Stalin.... He doesn't stand the slightest chance.

They are running 2 retarded arrogant candidates that in a normal cycle -- wouldn't have a chance. Highest negatives in my lifetime. And you're waiting on Stalin and Hitler. Talk about "wasted votes". This election is about nothing more than FEAR and tribal conflict..

All true. So? Still doesn't change the fact that Gary doesn't stand a chance. Unless some insanity happens, Hillary is arrested (finally) and Trump says something insane like "We'll just nuke everyone", Gary doesn't stand a chance.

 

[Norman]

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

So they reached the conclusion he has no chance, has become a sell-out and libertarian minded like myself should vote for Trump.

Got it.

 

[IsaacNewton]

I heard on the radio a few days ago, the commission that sets these debate 'rules' is made up of Republicans and Democrats. The bar used to be 10% set by them, but after Ross Perot did so well and made it to the debates the 'commission' arbitrarily raised it to 15%. The whole intent of course is to shut out any third party.

This is not democracy. The major parties should not be able to set this agenda AT ALL. No need to wonder why all those other democracies out there have numerous parties sharing power in the government but the US never does. The two parties have it rigged all the way through.

But the American people don't do anything about it so it continues.

They're mostly Democrats with a few quisling establishment Republicans - people like Olympia Snow and John Danforth. There's hardly anything impartial about it. If it was impartial then people like Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin would be moderators, not just a bunch of lib journalists.

You are the reason it never changes. How in hell did you get so angry at the world.

How am I the reason it never changes?

You see absolutely everything as 'us vs them' when the real world doesn't work like that. By agreeing to that angry divide you play into the hands of those who benefit from the divide.

 

[bripat9643]

I heard on the radio a few days ago, the commission that sets these debate 'rules' is made up of Republicans and Democrats. The bar used to be 10% set by them, but after Ross Perot did so well and made it to the debates the 'commission' arbitrarily raised it to 15%. The whole intent of course is to shut out any third party.

This is not democracy. The major parties should not be able to set this agenda AT ALL. No need to wonder why all those other democracies out there have numerous parties sharing power in the government but the US never does. The two parties have it rigged all the way through.

But the American people don't do anything about it so it continues.

They're mostly Democrats with a few quisling establishment Republicans - people like Olympia Snow and John Danforth. There's hardly anything impartial about it. If it was impartial then people like Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin would be moderators, not just a bunch of lib journalists.

You are the reason it never changes. How in hell did you get so angry at the world.

How am I the reason it never changes?

You see absolutely everything as 'us vs them' when the real world doesn't work like that. By agreeing to that angry divide you play into the hands of those who benefit from the divide.

I'm afraid it does work that way. Liberals are my enemy. Everything they want from government is harmful to me. How is that not "us vs. them?"

Furthermore, how does my attitude create a debate commission that's in the tank for Democrats? If anything, it's the theory that Democrats are not our enemy that allows them to get away with murder.

 

[flacaltenn]

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

Of course we will never hear this on mainstream media. Because it does not matter, and will have zero effect on the national outcome.

Gary will not place 1st. Nor will he place 2nd. He will place 3rd. As all the mainstream 3rd party Candidates have in the past 30 years.

The best he can hope to do, is possibly give the election to the candidate he takes the least number of votes from.

There isn't a single state in the Union, where a 3rd party had the majority of the popular vote. Not even one individual state... let alone the country at large.

I remember Ross Perot. Barely 6 states in the entire country, gave him 30% of the popular vote. In short, nothing. As in nothing.

Gary will be no different.... so who cares? Why should the mass media report on a completely irrelevant candidate that has zero hope of being anything more than a foot note, and a short foot note in history, at best?

But isn't that the point? If he were actually in the debates, and exposed to the low information voter, he might possibly come in first.

Well, the Deep State can't have that, can they now?

Unless the Republicans ran Stalin, and Democrats ran Hitler..... No amount of media exposure to Gary would make any difference at all.

I know people who don't even watch the debates, and automatically vote Republican or Democrats, because "I'm Republican" and "I'm Democrat". Gary doesn't have that, and NEVER will. Never. EVER. At any point.

Unless they run Hitler and Stalin.... He doesn't stand the slightest chance.

They are running 2 retarded arrogant candidates that in a normal cycle -- wouldn't have a chance. Highest negatives in my lifetime. And you're waiting on Stalin and Hitler. Talk about "wasted votes". This election is about nothing more than FEAR and tribal conflict..

All true. So? Still doesn't change the fact that Gary doesn't stand a chance. Unless some insanity happens, Hillary is arrested (finally) and Trump says something insane like "We'll just nuke everyone", Gary doesn't stand a chance.

I think what you MEANT to say was ".... unless some SANITY happens"..

Another truth is that the rodents who make up the "party faithful" on both sides are becoming endangered species. The "big middle" is larger than EITHER of their tribes right now. And I don't no miracles or resurrections to reverse that trend. When the "brand loyalties" die -- those 2 corrupt corporate fraternities die. And right now -- MOST ALL the faithful are not voting on "brand loyalty" -- they are voting out of sheer panic.

Soooooooooooooooo... This election cannot be polled. Because it depends on who is motivated to show up and waste a vote on fear and loathing. AND --- that makes it very interesting if America ever catches wind that there are 2 governors on the ballot who are more qualified to be Prez than 1/2 of the past Prez candidates. And less nauseating and arrogant to boot..

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

Aleppo

 

[flacaltenn]

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

Aleppo

What about it? You know that the LParty has been absolutely solid and correct on MidEast for 25 years while YOUR GUYS screwed it up... Right? It's handled dude. We're gonna clean up the disasters that YOU caused over there...

 

[WheelieAddict]

That's a shame. Gary would have been a good contrast on the stage with the two jokers.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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What about it? You know that the LParty has been absolutely solid and correct on MidEast for 25 years while YOUR GUYS screwed it up...

So was the Liberal wing of the Democratic Party.

A Libertarian will be elected president when he can ride one of these to the inauguration.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Libertarians are free traders which leaves them holding the bag that both of the other parties to one extent or another are running away from (or pretending to).

 

[WheelieAddict]

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

Aleppo

What about it? You know that the LParty has been absolutely solid and correct on MidEast for 25 years while YOUR GUYS screwed it up... Right? It's handled dude. We're gonna clean up the disasters that YOU caused over there...

The other party gets some credit too but man the Repubs sure kicked that off. And deficit be damned, small gov. you know.

 

[flacaltenn]

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

Aleppo

What about it? You know that the LParty has been absolutely solid and correct on MidEast for 25 years while YOUR GUYS screwed it up... Right? It's handled dude. We're gonna clean up the disasters that YOU caused over there...

SERIOUSLY?? You think it's a joke that your guys blasted 4 Arab countries to bits or incited revolts and never did expect those smoking holes would fill with terrorists? You think it's FUNNY that someone has to fix it?

 

[flacaltenn]

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

Aleppo

What about it? You know that the LParty has been absolutely solid and correct on MidEast for 25 years while YOUR GUYS screwed it up... Right? It's handled dude. We're gonna clean up the disasters that YOU caused over there...

The other party gets some credit too but man the Repubs sure kicked that off. And deficit be damned, small gov. you know.

Wasn't ever a damn bit of difference between the 2 retarded parties. Both were convinced that Democracy would bloom and Arab women would be driving convertibles in cut-offs.

BillyJeff bombed Iraq daily and locked up Iraq to starve and die. Ms Clueless thinks she IMPROVED Libya and tried the same policy in Syria. And GW Bush waffled on nation building and lost American lives and treasure. Now Obama packs up the tent and GIVES Iraq to Iran.. WITHOUT a strongman leader that every Arab nation NEEDS to survive.

They are certified INCOMPETENTS.... Without a distinction.. And Aleppo get fixed? How?

 

[whitehall]

Push polls are a dime a dozen. My guess is that pot head Garry Johnson might drain more votes from Hillary than Trump once the true agenda of the modern Libertarian party to legalize drugs becomes apparent.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Frustrated eh? To top it off we have maybe the worst and most

Of course the media is excited about scandals, and health issues, and birth certificates. And they report NATIONAL polls where only about 6 or 8 out of 40 INCLUDE 3rd parties. So I'm SURE you haven't heard how well Johnson/Weld are actually doing state by state..

Moving on Up...

NEW POLL: Gary Johnson at 15%+ in 15 Different States

Just today, we reached 15% in New Hampshire, bringing us to 15 states where we poll at 15% or higher. We are now 19% or higher in three states, and over 10% in 42 states.

That's one reason why highly respected editorial boards like the Richmond Times-Dispatch and the Winston-Salem Journal have endorsed Governors Johnson and Weld and CPD board member Gov. Mitch Daniels says: #LetGaryDebate.
((Bless that guy for NOT being a partisan shill)

"This Libertarian ticket has the potential to transform this race from one about insults and scandals to one about issues and honor." - Winston-Salem Journal


All that includes HIGHER Youth vote than Trump --- 37% And Statewide as high as 25% in N.Mex and mountain states.

You will NEVER HEAR this on mainstream media,...

Aleppo

What about it? You know that the LParty has been absolutely solid and correct on MidEast for 25 years while YOUR GUYS screwed it up... Right? It's handled dude. We're gonna clean up the disasters that YOU caused over there...

The other party gets some credit too but man the Repubs sure kicked that off. And deficit be damned, small gov. you know.

Wasn't ever a damn bit of difference between the 2 retarded parties. Both were convinced that Democracy would bloom and Arab women would be driving convertibles in cut-offs.

BillyJeff bombed Iraq daily and locked up Iraq to starve and die. Ms Clueless thinks she IMPROVED Libya and tried the same policy in Syria. And GW Bush waffled on nation building and lost American lives and treasure. Now Obama packs up the tent and GIVES Iraq to Iran.. WITHOUT a strongman leader that every Arab nation NEEDS to survive.

They are certified INCOMPETENTS.... Without a distinction.. And Aleppo get fixed? How?

Frustrating eh? And the do nothing congress sits back and does as little as possible while working the least hours possible.

 

[Indeependent]

The Libertarians are free traders which leaves them holding the bag that both of the other parties to one extent or another are running away from (or pretending to).

Where is Goldman-Sachs Hillary running away from Free Trade?
She's changes her POV on TPP every hour.

 

[MisterBeale]

Of course we will never hear this on mainstream media. Because it does not matter, and will have zero effect on the national outcome.

Gary will not place 1st. Nor will he place 2nd. He will place 3rd. As all the mainstream 3rd party Candidates have in the past 30 years.

The best he can hope to do, is possibly give the election to the candidate he takes the least number of votes from.

There isn't a single state in the Union, where a 3rd party had the majority of the popular vote. Not even one individual state... let alone the country at large.

I remember Ross Perot. Barely 6 states in the entire country, gave him 30% of the popular vote. In short, nothing. As in nothing.

Gary will be no different.... so who cares? Why should the mass media report on a completely irrelevant candidate that has zero hope of being anything more than a foot note, and a short foot note in history, at best?

But isn't that the point? If he were actually in the debates, and exposed to the low information voter, he might possibly come in first.

Well, the Deep State can't have that, can they now?

Unless the Republicans ran Stalin, and Democrats ran Hitler..... No amount of media exposure to Gary would make any difference at all.

I know people who don't even watch the debates, and automatically vote Republican or Democrats, because "I'm Republican" and "I'm Democrat". Gary doesn't have that, and NEVER will. Never. EVER. At any point.

Unless they run Hitler and Stalin.... He doesn't stand the slightest chance.

They are running 2 retarded arrogant candidates that in a normal cycle -- wouldn't have a chance. Highest negatives in my lifetime. And you're waiting on Stalin and Hitler. Talk about "wasted votes". This election is about nothing more than FEAR and tribal conflict..

All true. So? Still doesn't change the fact that Gary doesn't stand a chance. Unless some insanity happens, Hillary is arrested (finally) and Trump says something insane like "We'll just nuke everyone", Gary doesn't stand a chance.

I think what you MEANT to say was ".... unless some SANITY happens"..

Another truth is that the rodents who make up the "party faithful" on both sides are becoming endangered species. The "big middle" is larger than EITHER of their tribes right now. And I don't no miracles or resurrections to reverse that trend. When the "brand loyalties" die -- those 2 corrupt corporate fraternities die. And right now -- MOST ALL the faithful are not voting on "brand loyalty" -- they are voting out of sheer panic.

Soooooooooooooooo... This election cannot be polled. Because it depends on who is motivated to show up and waste a vote on fear and loathing. AND --- that makes it very interesting if America ever catches wind that there are 2 governors on the ballot who are more qualified to be Prez than 1/2 of the past Prez candidates. And less nauseating and arrogant to boot..

I so agree.

If only. If only Hunter Thompson had known what was to be. If he could have seen that there would once again be a need for Gonzo Journalism, maybe he would have. . .

*sigh*

Fear and Loathing once again in America. . . .

 

[Indeependent]

ALERT:
Anyone voting for Gary Johnson is voting for Gary Johnson.
NO ONE who is not voting for Gary Johnson by this time is voting for Gary Johnson.

 

[Andylusion]

Of course we will never hear this on mainstream media. Because it does not matter, and will have zero effect on the national outcome.

Gary will not place 1st. Nor will he place 2nd. He will place 3rd. As all the mainstream 3rd party Candidates have in the past 30 years.

The best he can hope to do, is possibly give the election to the candidate he takes the least number of votes from.

There isn't a single state in the Union, where a 3rd party had the majority of the popular vote. Not even one individual state... let alone the country at large.

I remember Ross Perot. Barely 6 states in the entire country, gave him 30% of the popular vote. In short, nothing. As in nothing.

Gary will be no different.... so who cares? Why should the mass media report on a completely irrelevant candidate that has zero hope of being anything more than a foot note, and a short foot note in history, at best?

But isn't that the point? If he were actually in the debates, and exposed to the low information voter, he might possibly come in first.

Well, the Deep State can't have that, can they now?

Unless the Republicans ran Stalin, and Democrats ran Hitler..... No amount of media exposure to Gary would make any difference at all.

I know people who don't even watch the debates, and automatically vote Republican or Democrats, because "I'm Republican" and "I'm Democrat". Gary doesn't have that, and NEVER will. Never. EVER. At any point.

Unless they run Hitler and Stalin.... He doesn't stand the slightest chance.

They are running 2 retarded arrogant candidates that in a normal cycle -- wouldn't have a chance. Highest negatives in my lifetime. And you're waiting on Stalin and Hitler. Talk about "wasted votes". This election is about nothing more than FEAR and tribal conflict..

All true. So? Still doesn't change the fact that Gary doesn't stand a chance. Unless some insanity happens, Hillary is arrested (finally) and Trump says something insane like "We'll just nuke everyone", Gary doesn't stand a chance.

I think what you MEANT to say was ".... unless some SANITY happens"..

Another truth is that the rodents who make up the "party faithful" on both sides are becoming endangered species. The "big middle" is larger than EITHER of their tribes right now. And I don't no miracles or resurrections to reverse that trend. When the "brand loyalties" die -- those 2 corrupt corporate fraternities die. And right now -- MOST ALL the faithful are not voting on "brand loyalty" -- they are voting out of sheer panic.

Soooooooooooooooo... This election cannot be polled. Because it depends on who is motivated to show up and waste a vote on fear and loathing. AND --- that makes it very interesting if America ever catches wind that there are 2 governors on the ballot who are more qualified to be Prez than 1/2 of the past Prez candidates. And less nauseating and arrogant to boot..

The party faithful has existed for over 100 years. You think they are dying out?

I don't think so. In fact, just looking at this forum, suggests that the number of party faithful drastically out number the small faction of those like you.

You get the feeling that there is this dramatic shift, only because you created a thread, that attracts those like you. But this little echo chamber, is an island in the ocean, claiming that so all the pacific will be farm land.