Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[Coyote]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Have just seen this.


My daughter is pm-ing me from the emergency room (A&E in England) of an NHS hospital. And describing how ghastly it is.

You should see the bill from a US emergency room visit. Ghastly.

I had one. Last year. Not one bill. But many.


You're just talking about the money. Maybe you'd like to lie across three chairs whilst waiting for the doctor, because there's nowhere to lie down.

At least you can see a doctor.

 

[Coyote]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Have just seen this.


My daughter is pm-ing me from the emergency room (A&E in England) of an NHS hospital. And describing how ghastly it is.

You should see the bill from a US emergency room visit. Ghastly.

I had one. Last year. Not one bill. But many.


You're just talking about the money. Maybe you'd like to lie across three chairs whilst waiting for the doctor, because there's nowhere to lie down.

Many bills from people you don’t know.

Many cheaper healthcare systems are ranked very well for service.

When push comes to shove the wealthy from other countries come here when they have a serious medical issues. Why is that do you think?

It's sort of that way....we can offer high caliber specialty care...for the WEALTHY...nothing wrong with that. But what about the far larger population of non-wealthy? Don't they have some right to affordable care?

And, as an odd aside - there is now something known as "medical tourism" - I kid you not. People going to foreign countries to get cheaper surgery. India for example.

 

[Polishprince]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Did other countries have ingrained private health plans? No. I don't see it happening until education costs go down significantly.

Yes the insurance industry loves to rob us, Our system is not good, something will change and repubs offer nothing.

GOP concentrates on lower pharma costs. Democrats want to go nuclear. Someone needs a middle ground. I agree the system is ridiculously complex and stupid.

I always thought ACA was a good starting point at the middle ground. It preserved private insurance, expanded medicare and increased the number of people with insurance who could then get access to preventative (as opposed to emergency) healthcare. It had problems. We should have worked on fixing them.

The biggest problem with the ACA was the individual mandate. The idea of forcing people to buy a problem- in this case, medical insurance- that they do not want and they have determined they do not need- is un-American. President Trump has cured that part of the ACA Catastrophe. The worst thing to do now would be to spend more $$ on this. Time to let the insurance companies- who BEGGED for the ACA- to make it on their own. No more bailouts to insurance companies.

 

[Coyote]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Bullshit:

1. Private insurance has lied to the American people for generations. It has lead to a 33% administration cost to American consumers. Once Americans learn about "hassle free healthcare" - with no copays, no pre-approvals, and no paperwork, they'll love it as much as the rest of the world does. Everything that Americans fear about publically funded healthcare, is a lie.

2. Doctors won't have to deal with insurance companies, either for pre-approvals or payment. They can spend more time with patients. Instead of having to bill 1000 different insurance companies, and having to hire a third party billing and collections company to do his paperwork, his receptionist can handle all of that. The doctor sends out one bill a month and the cheques come like clockwork. As a doctor who has practiced in both countries said, "I made more money in the USA, but I kept more of what I made in Canada. Doctors still make a tremendous amount of money.

3. You can still buy private or semi-private rooms, and full time private nursing, if you can afford it. The wealthy still get better care. My very wealthy friend's family hired 24 hour round the clock nurses when their father was in hospice, and kept him at home, where he died peacefully. No one is concerned about what the wealthy do - they'll always be able to get care. We care about the 99% of people who aren't wealthy and can't otherwise afford care.

4. Every other first world nation in the world manages to do this. What you're saying is that Americans are too stupid to see the sanity and cost savings in single payer. I happen to think Americans are smarter that you do.

I'm not yet convinced single payer is the way to go in the US. I prefer a blend of private and public. I think that could work. If the Republicans don't destroy it.

 

[Coyote]

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Did other countries have ingrained private health plans? No. I don't see it happening until education costs go down significantly.

Yes the insurance industry loves to rob us, Our system is not good, something will change and repubs offer nothing.

GOP concentrates on lower pharma costs. Democrats want to go nuclear. Someone needs a middle ground. I agree the system is ridiculously complex and stupid.

I always thought ACA was a good starting point at the middle ground. It preserved private insurance, expanded medicare and increased the number of people with insurance who could then get access to preventative (as opposed to emergency) healthcare. It had problems. We should have worked on fixing them.

The biggest problem with the ACA was the individual mandate. The idea of forcing people to buy a problem- in this case, medical insurance- that they do not want and they have determined they do not need- is un-American. President Trump has cured that part of the ACA Catastrophe. The worst thing to do now would be to spend more $$ on this. Time to let the insurance companies- who BEGGED for the ACA- to make it on their own. No more bailouts to insurance companies.

The problem is though, you can not force insurance companies to take prel-existing conditions (without jacking up rates) unless you have a large enough healthy population to offset it. That is what the individual mandate provided.

 

[Polishprince]

Have just seen this.


My daughter is pm-ing me from the emergency room (A&E in England) of an NHS hospital. And describing how ghastly it is.

You should see the bill from a US emergency room visit. Ghastly.

I had one. Last year. Not one bill. But many.


You're just talking about the money. Maybe you'd like to lie across three chairs whilst waiting for the doctor, because there's nowhere to lie down.

Many bills from people you don’t know.

Many cheaper healthcare systems are ranked very well for service.

When push comes to shove the wealthy from other countries come here when they have a serious medical issues. Why is that do you think?

It's sort of that way....we can offer high caliber specialty care...for the WEALTHY...nothing wrong with that. But what about the far larger population of non-wealthy? Don't they have some right to affordable care?

And, as an odd aside - there is now something known as "medical tourism" - I kid you not. People going to foreign countries to get cheaper surgery. India for example.

If someone needs a quadruple bypass, or radical prostatectomy, it can be a lot cheaper to have it done in Calcutta than locally, even after considering travel costs.

 

[Coyote]

Wrong again. That is OUR problem.

If you feel it's a problem now, you're in for a truly fun time.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Ummm, You do know your article only reinforces the data that shows Medicare for All would be cheaper than our current system.

You did read your own link, right?

Cheaper for whom? Not for me. My insurance is very good and very affordable. Get out of this thread with your noise pollution.

My insurance is included in my taxes. I pay NOTHING out of pocket, except an annual copay of $100 for drugs. If I'm poor, I can even apply to have that waived.

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

 

[Polishprince]

Did other countries have ingrained private health plans? No. I don't see it happening until education costs go down significantly.

Yes the insurance industry loves to rob us, Our system is not good, something will change and repubs offer nothing.

GOP concentrates on lower pharma costs. Democrats want to go nuclear. Someone needs a middle ground. I agree the system is ridiculously complex and stupid.

I always thought ACA was a good starting point at the middle ground. It preserved private insurance, expanded medicare and increased the number of people with insurance who could then get access to preventative (as opposed to emergency) healthcare. It had problems. We should have worked on fixing them.

The biggest problem with the ACA was the individual mandate. The idea of forcing people to buy a problem- in this case, medical insurance- that they do not want and they have determined they do not need- is un-American. President Trump has cured that part of the ACA Catastrophe. The worst thing to do now would be to spend more $$ on this. Time to let the insurance companies- who BEGGED for the ACA- to make it on their own. No more bailouts to insurance companies.

The problem is though, you can not force insurance companies to take prel-existing conditions (without jacking up rates) unless you have a large enough healthy population to offset it. That is what the individual mandate provided.

The individual mandate is unconstitutional , however.

A lot of healthy people never go to a doctor, so they feel they don't need insurance. My grandfather came to America in 1908, and didn't go to a doctor one time in 60 years. Didn't need insurance.

 

[Coyote]

And they can go bankrupt too. Those uninsured help increase costs for everyone else, I want people to be healthy so they can take care of themselves. So they can work.

If they work they can get insurance through their employer or through the ACA.

If they can afford it. And thats a big if in this country. Many working can’t.

And those we should help. Why throw 150mil who can afford it off their plans? Also why can I not get free plumbing? Without heat I can die in the winter time?

Choose to rent and they will handle your plumbing,

Choose a strong employer and they will cover your insurance. Hell, I hear Home Depot has very good insurance.

Next....

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

 

[Polishprince]

If you feel it's a problem now, you're in for a truly fun time.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Ummm, You do know your article only reinforces the data that shows Medicare for All would be cheaper than our current system.

You did read your own link, right?

Cheaper for whom? Not for me. My insurance is very good and very affordable. Get out of this thread with your noise pollution.

My insurance is included in my taxes. I pay NOTHING out of pocket, except an annual copay of $100 for drugs. If I'm poor, I can even apply to have that waived.

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

 

[Coyote]

Yes the insurance industry loves to rob us, Our system is not good, something will change and repubs offer nothing.

GOP concentrates on lower pharma costs. Democrats want to go nuclear. Someone needs a middle ground. I agree the system is ridiculously complex and stupid.

I always thought ACA was a good starting point at the middle ground. It preserved private insurance, expanded medicare and increased the number of people with insurance who could then get access to preventative (as opposed to emergency) healthcare. It had problems. We should have worked on fixing them.

The biggest problem with the ACA was the individual mandate. The idea of forcing people to buy a problem- in this case, medical insurance- that they do not want and they have determined they do not need- is un-American. President Trump has cured that part of the ACA Catastrophe. The worst thing to do now would be to spend more $$ on this. Time to let the insurance companies- who BEGGED for the ACA- to make it on their own. No more bailouts to insurance companies.

The problem is though, you can not force insurance companies to take prel-existing conditions (without jacking up rates) unless you have a large enough healthy population to offset it. That is what the individual mandate provided.

The individual mandate is unconstitutional , however.

A lot of healthy people never go to a doctor, so they feel they don't need insurance. My grandfather came to America in 1908, and didn't go to a doctor one time in 60 years. Didn't need insurance.

True enough...they don't need it until....they do.

I'm 60. I'm very healthy. My husband is 58. This summer he was diagnosed with congestive heart failure (15% function); COPD and CVID. All in the space of a 3 months and 4 ER visits and 4 hospitalizations. Haven't seen all the bills yet. I have insurance. What would happen to those who don't?

 

[Coyote]

Ummm, You do know your article only reinforces the data that shows Medicare for All would be cheaper than our current system.

You did read your own link, right?

Cheaper for whom? Not for me. My insurance is very good and very affordable. Get out of this thread with your noise pollution.

My insurance is included in my taxes. I pay NOTHING out of pocket, except an annual copay of $100 for drugs. If I'm poor, I can even apply to have that waived.

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

 

[francoHFW]

There should definitely be more transparency in the field of health care.

However, a "universal" system is a non-starter, a complete failure that would be extremely expensive.

Well nothing else is really being suggested, nobody I know likes them current system.

President Trump has suggested a program that will cost less and provide tremendous health care at incredible savings to the American people. Unfortunately, Congress defeated it by a single vote, that of John McCain who was pledged to back it.

He claimed that, I saw no reason why that would be true. It even failed with repub control of Congress.

There is no GOP plan just below knee from the Big Orange conman. McCain saved Obamacare from being repealed. It is hard to be a swine when you have terminal brain cancer. That was a big bad idea with nothing 2 replace it with.

McCain was one of the reasons we had a revolutionary war. But we forgot.

I have no idea what you mean. Great Patriot and a good man but uninformed rich guy.

 

[airplanemechanic]

GOP concentrates on lower pharma costs. Democrats want to go nuclear. Someone needs a middle ground. I agree the system is ridiculously complex and stupid.

I always thought ACA was a good starting point at the middle ground. It preserved private insurance, expanded medicare and increased the number of people with insurance who could then get access to preventative (as opposed to emergency) healthcare. It had problems. We should have worked on fixing them.

The biggest problem with the ACA was the individual mandate. The idea of forcing people to buy a problem- in this case, medical insurance- that they do not want and they have determined they do not need- is un-American. President Trump has cured that part of the ACA Catastrophe. The worst thing to do now would be to spend more $$ on this. Time to let the insurance companies- who BEGGED for the ACA- to make it on their own. No more bailouts to insurance companies.

The problem is though, you can not force insurance companies to take prel-existing conditions (without jacking up rates) unless you have a large enough healthy population to offset it. That is what the individual mandate provided.

The individual mandate is unconstitutional , however.

A lot of healthy people never go to a doctor, so they feel they don't need insurance. My grandfather came to America in 1908, and didn't go to a doctor one time in 60 years. Didn't need insurance.

True enough...they don't need it until....they do.

I'm 60. I'm very healthy. My husband is 58. This summer he was diagnosed with congestive heart failure (15% function); COPD and CVID. All in the space of a 3 months and 4 ER visits and 4 hospitalizations. Haven't seen all the bills yet. I have insurance. What would happen to those who don't?

Congestive heart failure is fatal. My grandfather passed away from it at 89 two years ago. Who cares about the bills if you're dead?

 

[Coyote]

I always thought ACA was a good starting point at the middle ground. It preserved private insurance, expanded medicare and increased the number of people with insurance who could then get access to preventative (as opposed to emergency) healthcare. It had problems. We should have worked on fixing them.

The biggest problem with the ACA was the individual mandate. The idea of forcing people to buy a problem- in this case, medical insurance- that they do not want and they have determined they do not need- is un-American. President Trump has cured that part of the ACA Catastrophe. The worst thing to do now would be to spend more $$ on this. Time to let the insurance companies- who BEGGED for the ACA- to make it on their own. No more bailouts to insurance companies.

The problem is though, you can not force insurance companies to take prel-existing conditions (without jacking up rates) unless you have a large enough healthy population to offset it. That is what the individual mandate provided.

The individual mandate is unconstitutional , however.

A lot of healthy people never go to a doctor, so they feel they don't need insurance. My grandfather came to America in 1908, and didn't go to a doctor one time in 60 years. Didn't need insurance.

True enough...they don't need it until....they do.

I'm 60. I'm very healthy. My husband is 58. This summer he was diagnosed with congestive heart failure (15% function); COPD and CVID. All in the space of a 3 months and 4 ER visits and 4 hospitalizations. Haven't seen all the bills yet. I have insurance. What would happen to those who don't?

Congestive heart failure is fatal. My grandfather passed away from it at 89 two years ago. Who cares about the bills if you're dead?

You can live many hears with it. And, bills don't die when you do.

 

[francoHFW]

Cheaper for whom? Not for me. My insurance is very good and very affordable. Get out of this thread with your noise pollution.

My insurance is included in my taxes. I pay NOTHING out of pocket, except an annual copay of $100 for drugs. If I'm poor, I can even apply to have that waived.

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

Not that many come here that's b*******. Alex trebek lives here. I

Cheaper for whom? Not for me. My insurance is very good and very affordable. Get out of this thread with your noise pollution.

My insurance is included in my taxes. I pay NOTHING out of pocket, except an annual copay of $100 for drugs. If I'm poor, I can even apply to have that waived.

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month with Obamacare. One hell of a lot better.
live near Buffalo and there are no Canadians in the hospital, it is only the extremely rich and probably right wing.

 

[Polishprince]

My insurance is included in my taxes. I pay NOTHING out of pocket, except an annual copay of $100 for drugs. If I'm poor, I can even apply to have that waived.

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

Not that many come here that's b*******. Alex trebek lives here. I

My insurance is included in my taxes. I pay NOTHING out of pocket, except an annual copay of $100 for drugs. If I'm poor, I can even apply to have that waived.

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month with Obamacare. One hell of a lot better.
live near Buffalo and there are no Canadians in the hospital, it is only the extremely rich and probably right wing.

Mick Jagger is a liberal British subject who needed heart surgery. He came here to America, instead of having it for free with the NHS.

People like quality

 

[francoHFW]

I always thought ACA was a good starting point at the middle ground. It preserved private insurance, expanded medicare and increased the number of people with insurance who could then get access to preventative (as opposed to emergency) healthcare. It had problems. We should have worked on fixing them.

The biggest problem with the ACA was the individual mandate. The idea of forcing people to buy a problem- in this case, medical insurance- that they do not want and they have determined they do not need- is un-American. President Trump has cured that part of the ACA Catastrophe. The worst thing to do now would be to spend more $$ on this. Time to let the insurance companies- who BEGGED for the ACA- to make it on their own. No more bailouts to insurance companies.

The problem is though, you can not force insurance companies to take prel-existing conditions (without jacking up rates) unless you have a large enough healthy population to offset it. That is what the individual mandate provided.

The individual mandate is unconstitutional , however.

A lot of healthy people never go to a doctor, so they feel they don't need insurance. My grandfather came to America in 1908, and didn't go to a doctor one time in 60 years. Didn't need insurance.

True enough...they don't need it until....they do.

I'm 60. I'm very healthy. My husband is 58. This summer he was diagnosed with congestive heart failure (15% function); COPD and CVID. All in the space of a 3 months and 4 ER visits and 4 hospitalizations. Haven't seen all the bills yet. I have insurance. What would happen to those who don't?

Congestive heart failure is fatal. My grandfather passed away from it at 89 two years ago. Who cares about the bills if you're dead?

I have a touch of congestive heart failure- can mean just about any level of danger.

 

[francoHFW]

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

Not that many come here that's b*******. Alex trebek lives here. I

Yep, life is wonderful in Canada...dumbass.
'Free' Health Care in Canada Costs More Than It's Worth

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month with Obamacare. One hell of a lot better.
live near Buffalo and there are no Canadians in the hospital, it is only the extremely rich and probably right wing.

Mick Jagger is a liberal British subject who needed heart surgery. He came here to America, instead of having it for free with the NHS.

People like quality

Really really rich people like a lot of privacy. That's what they paid for as much as anything. Screw the pompous rich anyway.

 

[Polishprince]

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

Not that many come here that's b*******. Alex trebek lives here. I

I'm not seeing any Canadians begging to have our system...

A lot of Canadians come here to America for medical treatment. Canadian Alex Trebec is quite ill now with pancreatic cancer- but he's being treated here in America. Much better treatment.

Sure its more expensive, but quality always costs more. Bentleys are more expensive than Yugos.

Yes, they do...BUT - do any want to TRADE their system for ours?

The problem with our system as it is is this - if you don't have insurance or the means to privately pay (or you aren't so poor as to qualify for Medicaid) you are fucked.

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month with Obamacare. One hell of a lot better.
live near Buffalo and there are no Canadians in the hospital, it is only the extremely rich and probably right wing.

Mick Jagger is a liberal British subject who needed heart surgery. He came here to America, instead of having it for free with the NHS.

People like quality

Really really rich people like a lot of privacy. That's what they paid for as much as anything. Screw the pompous rich anyway.

Sure, Mr. Jagger is fairly wealthy, a net worth of $360 Million or so.

To save that kind of scratch, he doesn't waste money.

Even though it may be expensive to have heart surgery in America, its still a value purchase.