Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bullshit

Still waiting for you to support your claim that Medicare for All would cost $30 Trillion for 10 years on top of our current costs.

You idiot. You’re adding something. Of course it’s additional. Are you trolling now?

Medicare for all is the goal, but to mandate the end of private insurance or anything for Americans is a loser. We need a public option and we need to go after costs like crazy. This is ridiculous. Obama was for no mandate and a public option. He was right again LOL.

I am OK with that. But that’s not UH.

if it is not mandated, they're always be brainwashed functional morons and people who like to take chances. But they will probably qualify for Medicaid LOL.

Again what you said is not UH. Are you a functional moron?

 

[Brain357]

If covered you never know how much the bill will be. Best answer you get is that depends on your insurance. Our system sucks now.

If you have good insurance, the retail price of the service is just a number. The health provider is willing to take what they are paying, which is often considerably less than the sticker price. The provider knows how much they can expect to receive however.

The cost is a mystery and you will probably still be getting bills from people 6 months later. That is the reality.

There should definitely be more transparency in the field of health care.

However, a "universal" system is a non-starter, a complete failure that would be extremely expensive.

Well nothing else is really being suggested, nobody I know likes them current system.

President Trump has suggested a program that will cost less and provide tremendous health care at incredible savings to the American people. Unfortunately, Congress defeated it by a single vote, that of John McCain who was pledged to back it.

He claimed that, I saw no reason why that would be true. It even failed with repub control of Congress.

 

[g5000]

President Trump has suggested a program that will cost less and provide tremendous health care at incredible savings to the American people. Unfortunately, Congress defeated it by a single vote, that of John McCain who was pledged to back it.

Wow. Where in the hell did you get the idea Trump suggested "a program that will cost less and provide tremendous health care at incredible savings to the American people"?

That bill was one which repealed parts of Obamacare. It neither repealed nor replaced all of Obamacare.

I can't believe you drank the Kool-Aid on that one!

No wonder Trump lies to you people. He knows you bleev what you are told to bleev.

 

[g5000]

I've said many times that when Trump says "bleev me" three times, you can bet your house he is lying.

Here is what Trump said on the White House lawn about the bill which repealed pieces of Obamacare, and which did not replace Obamacare:

“Make no mistake,” (one!) the president said at one point, “this is a repeal and a replace of Obamacare, make no mistake (two!) about it. Make no mistake.”(three!)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...donald-trump-promised/?utm_term=.e5e1b3b65072


Trump prematurely ejaculated all over the White House lawn after the bill passed the House. The dumb shit actually threw a victory party!

It went on to fail in the Senate.

 

[Polishprince]

If you have good insurance, the retail price of the service is just a number. The health provider is willing to take what they are paying, which is often considerably less than the sticker price. The provider knows how much they can expect to receive however.

The cost is a mystery and you will probably still be getting bills from people 6 months later. That is the reality.

There should definitely be more transparency in the field of health care.

However, a "universal" system is a non-starter, a complete failure that would be extremely expensive.

Well nothing else is really being suggested, nobody I know likes them current system.

President Trump has suggested a program that will cost less and provide tremendous health care at incredible savings to the American people. Unfortunately, Congress defeated it by a single vote, that of John McCain who was pledged to back it.

He claimed that, I saw no reason why that would be true. It even failed with repub control of Congress.

It only failed because Sen. McCain hated President Trump's guts and voted "nay" at the last minute to stick it Trump's supporters.

 

[sparky]

One either plays TO the insurance cabal, or opposes it

THAT is root issue here

~S~

 

[Polishprince]

One either plays TO the insurance cabal, or opposes it

THAT is root issue here

~S~

There is no "insurance cabal".

These insurance companies are fighting each other tooth and nail for customers.

 

[francoHFW]

Still waiting for you to support your claim that Medicare for All would cost $30 Trillion for 10 years on top of our current costs.

You idiot. You’re adding something. Of course it’s additional. Are you trolling now?

Medicare for all is the goal, but to mandate the end of private insurance or anything for Americans is a loser. We need a public option and we need to go after costs like crazy. This is ridiculous. Obama was for no mandate and a public option. He was right again LOL.

I am OK with that. But that’s not UH.

if it is not mandated, they're always be brainwashed functional morons and people who like to take chances. But they will probably qualify for Medicaid LOL.

Again what you said is not UH. Are you a functional moron?

Universal Health Care is a general term. They have it in the Netherlands and Switzerland and the insurance companies are very important. Also so regulated they're basically nonprofits. If everyone is covered that wants it, that is universal Health Care in my book.

 

[francoHFW]

If you have good insurance, the retail price of the service is just a number. The health provider is willing to take what they are paying, which is often considerably less than the sticker price. The provider knows how much they can expect to receive however.

The cost is a mystery and you will probably still be getting bills from people 6 months later. That is the reality.

There should definitely be more transparency in the field of health care.

However, a "universal" system is a non-starter, a complete failure that would be extremely expensive.

Well nothing else is really being suggested, nobody I know likes them current system.

President Trump has suggested a program that will cost less and provide tremendous health care at incredible savings to the American people. Unfortunately, Congress defeated it by a single vote, that of John McCain who was pledged to back it.

He claimed that, I saw no reason why that would be true. It even failed with repub control of Congress.

There is no GOP plan just below knee from the Big Orange conman. McCain saved Obamacare from being repealed. It is hard to be a swine when you have terminal brain cancer. That was a big bad idea with nothing 2 replace it with.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You idiot. You’re adding something. Of course it’s additional. Are you trolling now?

Medicare for all is the goal, but to mandate the end of private insurance or anything for Americans is a loser. We need a public option and we need to go after costs like crazy. This is ridiculous. Obama was for no mandate and a public option. He was right again LOL.

I am OK with that. But that’s not UH.

if it is not mandated, they're always be brainwashed functional morons and people who like to take chances. But they will probably qualify for Medicaid LOL.

Again what you said is not UH. Are you a functional moron?

Universal Health Care is a general term. They have it in the Netherlands and Switzerland and the insurance companies are very important. Also so regulated they're basically nonprofits. If everyone is covered that wants it, that is universal Health Care in my book.

Your book is not the same book Sanders and Warren are Reading.

 

[Brain357]

The cost is a mystery and you will probably still be getting bills from people 6 months later. That is the reality.

There should definitely be more transparency in the field of health care.

However, a "universal" system is a non-starter, a complete failure that would be extremely expensive.

Well nothing else is really being suggested, nobody I know likes them current system.

President Trump has suggested a program that will cost less and provide tremendous health care at incredible savings to the American people. Unfortunately, Congress defeated it by a single vote, that of John McCain who was pledged to back it.

He claimed that, I saw no reason why that would be true. It even failed with repub control of Congress.

It only failed because Sen. McCain hated President Trump's guts and voted "nay" at the last minute to stick it Trump's supporters.

It was so good that one vote mattered. Right,

 

[22lcidw]

The cost is a mystery and you will probably still be getting bills from people 6 months later. That is the reality.

There should definitely be more transparency in the field of health care.

However, a "universal" system is a non-starter, a complete failure that would be extremely expensive.

Well nothing else is really being suggested, nobody I know likes them current system.

President Trump has suggested a program that will cost less and provide tremendous health care at incredible savings to the American people. Unfortunately, Congress defeated it by a single vote, that of John McCain who was pledged to back it.

He claimed that, I saw no reason why that would be true. It even failed with repub control of Congress.

There is no GOP plan just below knee from the Big Orange conman. McCain saved Obamacare from being repealed. It is hard to be a swine when you have terminal brain cancer. That was a big bad idea with nothing 2 replace it with.

McCain was one of the reasons we had a revolutionary war. But we forgot.

 

[OnePercenter]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

BULLSHIT! How about Kaiser? A private/non-profit.

Education should be free.

If one can afford private pay, one can afford to hire the best lawyers and sue, and win BIG BUCKS, and end medical careers. Doctors are much more careful when treating the rich.

 

[basquebromance]

my head hurts. this thread broke my mind!

 

[francoHFW]

Medicare for all is the goal, but to mandate the end of private insurance or anything for Americans is a loser. We need a public option and we need to go after costs like crazy. This is ridiculous. Obama was for no mandate and a public option. He was right again LOL.

I am OK with that. But that’s not UH.

if it is not mandated, they're always be brainwashed functional morons and people who like to take chances. But they will probably qualify for Medicaid LOL.

Again what you said is not UH. Are you a functional moron?

Universal Health Care is a general term. They have it in the Netherlands and Switzerland and the insurance companies are very important. Also so regulated they're basically nonprofits. If everyone is covered that wants it, that is universal Health Care in my book.

Your book is not the same book Sanders and Warren are Reading.

That's is Medicare for all, a certain kind of universal Health Care. With one hell of a mandate that Americans will not like it's stupid. I'll go with Biden carrying through Obama stuff -.... A public option will take care of private insurance.....

 

[Rustic]

I am OK with that. But that’s not UH.

if it is not mandated, they're always be brainwashed functional morons and people who like to take chances. But they will probably qualify for Medicaid LOL.

Again what you said is not UH. Are you a functional moron?

Universal Health Care is a general term. They have it in the Netherlands and Switzerland and the insurance companies are very important. Also so regulated they're basically nonprofits. If everyone is covered that wants it, that is universal Health Care in my book.

Your book is not the same book Sanders and Warren are Reading.

That's is Medicare for all, a certain kind of universal Health Care. With one hell of a mandate the Americans will not like it's stupid. I'll go with Biden carrying through Obama stuff.... A public option will take care of private insurance.....

Lol
you need to keep socialist entitlements to yourselves, conservatives want nothing to do with the horse shit

 

[francoHFW]

if it is not mandated, they're always be brainwashed functional morons and people who like to take chances. But they will probably qualify for Medicaid LOL.

Again what you said is not UH. Are you a functional moron?

Universal Health Care is a general term. They have it in the Netherlands and Switzerland and the insurance companies are very important. Also so regulated they're basically nonprofits. If everyone is covered that wants it, that is universal Health Care in my book.

Your book is not the same book Sanders and Warren are Reading.

That's is Medicare for all, a certain kind of universal Health Care. With one hell of a mandate the Americans will not like it's stupid. I'll go with Biden carrying through Obama stuff.... A public option will take care of private insurance.....

Lol
you need to keep socialist entitlements to yourselves, conservatives want nothing to do with the horse shit

You don't believe in health insurance at all so whatever mr. Gun dealer LOL. There are plenty of conservatives who love ACA but hate Obamacare lol. They are all clueless. And Obama did not want a mandate.

 

[Coyote]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Believe it or not...I tend to agree. The thing is healthcare is tailored to each individual country and what their citizens want. The health insurance industry is very powerful here. Plus, Americans like the idea of choice.

But you can't get around the fact that health care SUCKS if you can't afford health insurance and more and more working Americans can't and more and more jobs in the "gig" economy do not offer it as a benefit.

Health care is great. When you can afford it. When you can't you are screwed. That is the really bad part of our system.

I think the best route is a combination of private and public - maybe a public option for everyone, but not a public mandate.

 

[Coyote]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Did other countries have ingrained private health plans? No. I don't see it happening until education costs go down significantly.

And that is a real issue. Not sure how to get around that either.

 

[Coyote]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Did other countries have ingrained private health plans? No. I don't see it happening until education costs go down significantly.

Yes the insurance industry loves to rob us, Our system is not good, something will change and repubs offer nothing.

GOP concentrates on lower pharma costs. Democrats want to go nuclear. Someone needs a middle ground. I agree the system is ridiculously complex and stupid.

I always thought ACA was a good starting point at the middle ground. It preserved private insurance, expanded medicare and increased the number of people with insurance who could then get access to preventative (as opposed to emergency) healthcare. It had problems. We should have worked on fixing them.