Obamacare Didn't Fail — It's Working Exactly As Intended

[Meister]

That's what bootstraps are for....Fuckin' well pull on them.

I'm fuckin' tired of tired of subsidizing everything from healthcare, farmers, to other people's spawn.

If I got to pick and choose what to subsidize it would be the utility of abortion. Enough!

All this money for a screwed up healthcare insurance for 7.2% of the population.
Like I said earlier, the only winners are the healthcare insurance companies. (Who wrote it)

 

[Edgetho]

That's what bootstraps are for....Fuckin' well pull on them.

I'm fuckin' tired of tired of subsidizing everything from healthcare, farmers, to other people's spawn.

If I got to pick and choose what to subsidize it would be the utility of abortion. Enough!

Some things are important to a sociey if it is to function properly. Utilities, for example. Water, Sewer, Electricity, etc.

Insurance is one of them. Called a "Public Trust'' because without them, our society would struggle.

In the past, we let Private Enterprise take care of them but with strong goobermint oversight. Regulations. Heavy on the Regulations. It's why we have an elected Insurance Commissioner in most States and an Appointed Director of Public Utilities.

Then, you have stupid ******* dimocrap FILTH sticking the stupid ******* noses into everything and ******* it up. Because -- That's what they do. Why? Because they are stupid.

Why are they stupid? Mostly because they are born that way, then they go to College Pukedom, learn some Shakespeare and think they know everything worth knowing when, in truth, they know less than a well-educated Earth Worm

 

[1srelluc]

All this money for a screwed up healthcare insurance for 7.2% of the population.
Like I said earlier, the only winners are the healthcare insurance companies. (Who wrote it)

Yep, I don't think the gop should take any risks over the whole thing for 7% of the population.

Half of which won't vote anyway.

It's just a vile dem trap.

 

[Edgetho]

All this money for a screwed up healthcare insurance for 7.2% of the population.
Like I said earlier, the only winners are the healthcare insurance companies. (Who wrote it)

That assumption is incorrect. Blaming Insurance Companies is like backward people blaming evil spirits for everything.

Don't fall for the propaganda of the DISGUSTING FILTH. Insurance Companies are the sworn enemy of dimocrap scum. Through and Through.

I think United Health was involved but they're a dimocrap boot-licker. Very few, if any, of the others were involved or interested.

Insurance is nothing more than Risk-Sharing. Most Health Companies are Community Based groups who got a bunch of Doctors, Hospitals and Employers together so they could offer affordable protection to the community.

 

[berg80]

Democrats working behind locked doors, preventing Republican access, and we were expecting a good bill?

That assertion is a steaming pile of dung.

BTW, I suspect the ACA would be working better if the then GOP hadn't tried to sabotage it at every turn. Their reason. It has become increasingly popular as the years went by.

Sabotage Watch: Tracking Efforts to Undermine the ACA​

https://www.cbpp.org/sabotage-watch

FACT SHEET: 15 Times Republicans Have Sabotaged The Affordable Care Act — Protect Our Care

The GOP Has Tried and Failed Hundreds of Times To Repeal and Undermine It 15 years ago, President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act (ACA) into law, and it has...

www.protectourcare.org

 

[Doc7505]

So you're saying let ACA collapse, and the 20m people pay out of pocket for healthcare.

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Doubt if it will collapse. Remember they said that about Social Security collapsing. It still isn't happening.
More than likely the monthly cost of Medicare will increase from $185 for retirees and those employed to over $200/month.

 

[berg80]

Big O put a real solid fuckin' on us American tax payers with that Obamacare bullshit. Doomed to fail or not, it put a real hurtin' on us. I wonder if he ever thinks about it when he is chasing white womens at cocktail parties?

 

[berg80]

Obama knew exactly what he was doing with the sunset of Obamacare subsidies.
It was the stepping stone to universal healthcare. Just a commie ploy.

Here are just some of the ways Republicans have sabotaged the ACA over the years:

1. March 23, 2010: Republicans Unanimously Opposed The Affordable Care Act. On March 23, 2010, President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act (ACA) into law, which enshrined health care protections for hundreds of millions of Americans, provided for states to expand Medicaid coverage to a greater range of income levels, created ACA Marketplaces to offer health care coverage to qualifying individuals, mandated health insurance coverage for every American, and more. Democrats in Congress passed the Affordable Care Act (ACA) without a single Republican vote in either the House of Representatives or Senate. Republicans stood united against the law and immediately vowed to repeal it.
2. 2011: As Soon As Republicans Re-took Control of The House of Representatives, They Voted To Repeal the ACA. After retaking control of the House of Representatives for the first time since the ACA was passed in 2010, Republicans immediately took a vote to repeal the ACA. Every single House Republican voted for the repeal bill, which the Democratic-controlled Senate later refused to pass.
3. 2012: Republicans Unsuccessfully Challenged the ACA in Court. In 2011, dozens of Republican-led states joined a lawsuit against the Obama administration challenging the constitutionality of the ACA. After months of appeals, the Supreme Court agreed to hear the case and eventually ruled 5-4 to uphold the law. After the Supreme Court released its ruling, several top Republicans vowed to continue efforts to repeal the ACA.
4. 2013: Republicans Refused To Fund the Government Without Delaying or Repealing the ACA, Causing A 16-Day Government Shutdown. In October 2013, Republicans shut down the federal government for the first time in 17 years and refused to fund the government without repealing the ACA or delaying its implementation. After 16 days, House Republicans relented and passed legislation to fund the government without any substantial changes to the health care law, other than stricter income verification requirements for consumers shopping for health insurance on ACA Marketplaces.
5. 2015: Republicans Passed A Bill Repealing The ACA That Was Vetoed By President Obama. In October 2015, Republicans in Congress used budget reconciliation to bypass the Senate filibuster and pass a budget that included provisions repealing core parts of the ACA. President Obama vetoed the bill, and the ACA remained intact.
6. 2017: Days After Taking Office, President Trump Cancelled ACA Enrollment Outreach Advertising During Open Enrollment. Within days of taking office, Trump canceled television/online advertising outreach for ACA enrollment, leading to an estimated 480,000 fewer Americans enrolling in coverage.

 

[berg80]

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Doubt if it will collapse. Remember they said that about Social Security collapsing. It still isn't happening.
More than likely the monthly cost of Medicare will increase from $185 for retirees and those employed to over $200/month.

8. 2017: Republicans Passed Donald Trump’s Tax Plan, Gutting The ACA’s Individual Coverage Mandate. In late 2017, Republicans passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, Donald Trump’s tax plan, which included a provision gutting the ACA’s individual mandate by ending the tax penalty for not having health insurance. Trump later bragged about ending the individual mandate in an October 2019 speech in Florida, telling a crowd, “We eliminated Obamacare’s horrible, horrible, very expensive and very unfair, unpopular individual mandate. A total disaster. That was a big penalty. That was a big thing. Where you paid a lot of money for the privilege […] of having no healthcare.”

9. 2017: The First Trump Administration Cut Enrollment Outreach Funding By 90 Percent. In the fall of 2017, the Trump administration significantly cut federal funding for Navigator programs designed to help people find health insurance on ACA Marketplaces by around 90 percent.

10. 2017: The First Trump Administration Halved The Duration of Open Enrollment. In the fall of 2017, the Trump administration also halved the duration of Open Enrollment, reducing the period from three months to just 45 days, which contributed to a dramatic slowdown in ACA enrollment during the first Trump administration compared to both the Obama administration and later the Biden administration.

11. 2017: The First Trump Administration Abruptly Ended ACA Subsidies To Marketplace Insurers, Sowing Disarray. In the fall of 2017, the Trump administration abruptly stopped paying subsidies to health insurers offering coverage through ACA Marketplaces. The move ended cost-sharing reduction payments and caused premiums to spike and insurer participation in ACA Marketplaces to drop. Trump bragged about the cuts, declaring, “I knocked out the hundreds of millions of dollars a month being paid back to the insurance companies by politicians. […] This is money that goes to the insurance companies to line their pockets, to raise their stock prices. And they’ve had a record run. They’ve had an incredible run, and it’s not appropriate.”

 

[berg80]

What would the ACA look like if R's had worked to improve it instead of trying to kill it (they have never come up with anything to replace it)? We'll never know.

GFY.

 

[Edgetho]

Yep, I don't think the gop should take any risks over the whole thing for 7% of the population.

Half of which won't vote anyway.

It's just a vile dem trap.

That 7 percent has at least 3 generations of relatives and many other friends that will sort of notice if they die a horrible death because they can't get treated for something.

IOW, it can snowball into a situation we don't want to be in. At all.

Here's a thought -- Instead of slamming Insurance Companies, why don't people slam Doctors who refuse to give treatment to those who can't pay? Hospitals, too.

How about the FDA who makes us get a prescription for -- Everything. For instance, Metformin is quite cheap. But you can't get it without a prescription and you can't get a prescription without paying a Doctor $200 to spend 5 minutes with you and then making you come back five more times after ordering $3,000 worth of tests.

Without the Metformin, the person's diabetes goes Apeshit, he loses kidney function, he lose his eyesight....... So what's cheaper? Metformin or a Kidney Transplant.

You get a UTI and you gotta go to the Doctor, IF he'll see you before you go Septic on us. And then, maybe, just MAYBE, he'll write a prescription for an Antibiotic that the Pahrmacy will charge ten times its value.

So, several hundred dollars later, you get your Antibiotics. That if you'd gotten a week earlier, would have cleared it up in 3 days instead of 30.

It is endless. People over-complicate the problem. It's simple -- Mandate Private Health Insurance, regulate the shit out of it and hurt people bad that won't buy it. If you can't afford it, we'll help you with it.

Didja know -- The goobermint (Medicare, Medicaid, etc) pays less than 50% of what doctors and Hospitals Charge? And the only way they can make money just to survive is to COST-SHIFT the burden onto Private Carriers.

Julio wraps his old Camaro around a Tree at 2:00AM, gets carried to the E-Room, they're required BY LAW to stabilize him.

And they ain't ever getting paid for it. Doctors and Nurses gotta be there at 2 in the morning dealing with blood and guts and screaming and boozers and knife-fights -- But it's okay if they don't get paid?

My way is the only way it will ever work. Which is reason #1 why it will never happen

 

[1srelluc]

That 7 percent has at least 3 generations of relatives and many other friends that will sort of notice if they die a horrible death because they can't get treated for something.

IOW, it can snowball into a situation we don't want to be in. At all.

Here's a thought -- Instead of slamming Insurance Companies, why don't people slam Doctors who refuse to give treatment to those who can't pay? Hospitals, too.

How about the FDA who makes us get a prescription for -- Everything. For instance, Metformin is quite cheap. But you can't get it without a prescription and you can't get a prescription without paying a Doctor $200 to spend 5 minutes with you and then making you come back five more times after ordering $3,000 worth of tests.

Without the Metformin, the person's diabetes goes Apeshit, he loses kidney function, he lose his eyesight....... So what's cheaper? Metformin or a Kidney Transplant.

You get a UTI and you gotta go to the Doctor, IF he'll see you before you go Septic on us. And then, maybe, just MAYBE, he'll write a prescription for an Antibiotic that the Pahrmacy will charge ten times its value.

So, several hundred dollars later, you get your Antibiotics. That if you'd gotten a week earlier, would cleared it up in 3 days instead of 30.

It is endless. People over-complicate the problem. It's simple -- Mandate Private Health Insurance, regulate the shit out of it and hurt people bad that won't buy it. If you can't afford it, we'll help you with it.

Didja know -- The goobermint (Medicare, Medicaid, etc) pays less than 50% of what doctors and Hospitals Charge? And the only way they can make money just to survive is to COST-SHIFT the burden onto Private Carriers.

Julio wraps his old Camaro around a Tree at 2:00AM, gets carried to the E-Room, they're required BY LAW to stabilize him.

And they ain't ever getting paid for it. Doctors and Nurses gotta be there at 2 in the morning dealing with blood and guts and screaming and boozers and knife-fights -- But it's okay if they don't get paid?

My way is the only way it will ever work. Which is reason #1 why it will never happen

Not my monkey, not my circus.......I'm done worrying about other's predicaments.

 

[Edgetho]

Not my monkey, not my circus.......I'm done worrying about other's predicaments.

I'm retired, on Medicare and have the VA, who is 100% on the hook for everything that happens to me. Not my Cross to bear either, Im just trying to bring some clarity to the issue.

For those that don't want to hear it -- I am not surprised. It is very complicated and very boring. A perfect breeding ground for scum of the Earth dimocrap scum.

We can either take care of it ourselves (as Conservatives) or we can let dimocrap FILTH take care of it for us.

In 2023, the United States spent 17.6% of its Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on healthcare. A fair amount of change. About 5 TRILLION dollars.

 

[1srelluc]

I'm retired, on Medicare and have the VA, who is 100% on the hook for everything that happens to me. Not my Cross to bear either, Im just trying to bring some clarity to the issue.

For those that don't want to hear it -- I am not surprised. It is very complicated and very boring. A perfect breeding ground for scum of the Earth dimocrap scum.

We can either take care of it ourselves (as Conservatives) or we can let dimocrap FILTH take care of it for us.

In 2023, the United States spent 17.6% of its Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on healthcare. A fair amount of change. About 5 TRILLION dollars.

Shit dude, you have no more answers to the whole thing than I do and I'm not even looking for an answer to what amounts to a trap for the gop.

The vile dems always use healthcare as a trap.....And usually have a big fuckin' sign advertising it as such.

 

[Meister]

What would the ACA look like if R's had worked to improve it instead of trying to kill it (they have never come up with anything to replace it)? We'll never know.

GFY.

Just think what it could have done if it had been bipartisan, instead of the one party
that locked the doors.

 

[kyzr]

Is it danger of "collapsing"? If so it's the first I've heard of it.

If premiums get to be unaffordable what would happen?
I assume the insurance companies would not offer insurance if too few people bought it, especially the sicker cohort.

 

[kyzr]

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Doubt if it will collapse. Remember they said that about Social Security collapsing. It still isn't happening.
More than likely the monthly cost of Medicare will increase from $185 for retirees and those employed to over $200/month.

Obamacare might collapse if premiums are unaffordable.
SS won't collapse, but we will get 77% of promised benefits if its not "fixed", money-in equals money-out.
Not sure what Medicare cost you're discussing? The "donut-hole", or Part-D?

 

[1srelluc]

If premiums get to be unaffordable what would happen?
I assume the insurance companies would not offer insurance if too few people bought it, especially the sicker cohort.

**** if I know what would happen but as far as I am concerned it can fail or not on it's own merits or lack thereof.

It's not my job to prop-up anyone. The vile dems can subsidize it their selves through a charity....Maybe get Hillary Clinton to run it.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Single-payer won't happen, but what happens to the 20m folks on ACA if it collapses? Medicaid?

It already is medicaid

 

[Truth2Know]

So you're saying let ACA collapse, and the 20m people pay out of pocket for healthcare.

In 2024, the internet says that 21.4 million people were enrolled in Obamacare.

The December National Review says that in 2024, 11,695,303 people enrolled in Obamacare did not use their health coverage at all. For anything.

Is this insurance useless, or is Obamacare an insurance company scam?

Asking for a friend.