Universal background checks... really?

[Rigby5]

We can do just that! Every single thing you just posted is workable, just as soon as you repeal the Second Amendment. Why don't you get right on that project?

It can be done. I'd stand behind it.

Go right ahead! The vast majority of Americans disagree with you. Your chances of repealing the 2nd are nil and none!

The vast majority of Americans approve of background checks
Including gun owner

Lol
Criminals do not legally buy firearms… In general.
You watch too many movies made by child molesting Hollywood types and fucked up main stream media.

And yes it’s a God-given right

All firearms were at one time legal
We need to find out how those guns get from the manufacturer to the criminal

Lol
The vast majority of violent crime in this country is done by repeat offenders in progressive controlled urban areas with extremely strict gun control laws.

How do you solve the violent crime problem? Execute all violent criminals… Problem solved

The guns come from somewhere

An unrestricted marketplace with few checks makes it easier for criminals

Getting rid of the criminals would be the better choice… Criminals will always be criminals firearms have nothing to do with criminal activity

Locking them up is after the fact

But before the fact, we could have a less competitive society, provide more job stability, make education more accessible, etc.
We know the causes of crime and mental instability, and we can easily improve things.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

he went postal so it was fitting he grabbed a mail truck
Still wondering if any ssris involved


The Texas madman who went on a mobile shooting spree had been fired from his job just hours before his rampage — and had previously failed a background check, according to new reports.

Seth Ator, 36, had been axed from his trucking job a few hours before he killed seven and injured 22 in a spree in Odessa that started with a routine traffic stop on Saturday, authorities told the New York Times.

Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke did not mention the firing at a press briefing Sunday, instead insisting there were “no definitive answers as to motive or reasons at this point.”

Ator used an “AR-type weapon” in his attack, and police say they are still investigating how he got it — especially in light of a revelation by state Rep. Tom Craddick, who said Ator had previously failed a background check, according to the Midland Reporter-Telegram.

No details were given as to what caused him to fail.


ya see once we just confiscate the millions upon millions upon millions of guns from private law abiding citizens we'll all be super extra safe.

it'll be utopia once only the government and criminals have fire arms

You will notice that there is a second person that is held over the shooting. No speculation why. But want to bet that it's a buddy that provided him with the weapon, mags and ammo?

its possible ...but that doesnt make the buddy guilty of anything .
HE was probably heading off to shoot everyone at the trucking company till the cop pulled him over to issue a " fix it ticket "
he had a light out ....

 

[Rustic]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

No law, no single provision of a regulation will ever, and has never stopped criminal actions. Speed limits have not eradicated high speed highway accidents. No building codes have ever ended building fires.

But who would argue that speed limits have substantially reduced high speed airomobile accidents? Who would argue that building codes have been totally ineffective in making construction standards higher and therefore safer?

The Gun Culture is retrenching so deeply in the canard that massively popular, common sense gun safety regulations inevitably result in gun confiscation. The 'slippery slope' doctrine.

Those who successfully introduced Prohibition used the same intractable political tact. The most obstinate politics in 20th century American politics. But when faced with overwhelming popular opposition, they held fast until they were utterly smashed. A few compromises would most certainly saved the Prohibition movement.

I followed you 'til the last paragraph. I thought Prohibition won? For a time, anyway. Be a little more clear. I'm interested. I think the gun lovers are shooting themselves in the proverbial foot by refusing to give an inch.

Lol
Lowlifes like yourself will never stop until an all out Firearm confiscation is reached, And the total repeal of the Second Amendment. Progressives like yourself cannot be trusted

 

[Nosmo King]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

No law, no single provision of a regulation will ever, and has never stopped criminal actions. Speed limits have not eradicated high speed highway accidents. No building codes have ever ended building fires.

But who would argue that speed limits have substantially reduced high speed airomobile accidents? Who would argue that building codes have been totally ineffective in making construction standards higher and therefore safer?

The Gun Culture is retrenching so deeply in the canard that massively popular, common sense gun safety regulations inevitably result in gun confiscation. The 'slippery slope' doctrine.

Those who successfully introduced Prohibition used the same intractable political tact. The most obstinate politics in 20th century American politics. But when faced with overwhelming popular opposition, they held fast until they were utterly smashed. A few compromises would most certainly saved the Prohibition movement.

I followed you 'til the last paragraph. I thought Prohibition won? For a time, anyway. Be a little more clear. I'm interested. I think the gun lovers are shooting themselves in the proverbial foot by refusing to give an inch.

The same thing happened during the 1920s. When the 18th amendment was ratified the question became what is alcohol. Prohibition would make German Chocolate cake recipes illegal. 3.2% beer was pushed as an alternative to stronger beer, but the Prohibitionist, the "T" For Total Prohibition would not compromise.

When the hypocrisy of the law was evident and the public sentiment turning away from Prohibition, the T Totalers still would not give an inch. They even supported a government program that intentionally poisoned alcohol with the leadership of the T aTotalers calling the resulting deaths,'avoidable suicides '.

Name one lobbying organization advocating Prohibition today. Their rigid politics made them brittle as a result.

 

[candycorn]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

That actually is totally untrue.
It is actually much easier to buy firearms in all other countries compared to the US, except maybe Japan.
The US has over 10,000 firearms laws, and most are complex federal laws, like it being illegal to even drive by a school with a firearm in the trunk of your car.
In other countries you may have to register or license, but that is much less complex than the finger printing and background check you have to do in the US.
All you have to do in the UK, France, Germany, etc., is to join a club and you then are guaranteed approval.
In places like Switzerland and Israel, the government is giving out guns for free, and almost mandating people be armed.

That is the opposite of what I've read from almost every other source. Where are you getting this information? I'd be real interested in a link.

And how often is the generally perceived view wrong when the media wants it to be wrong, like Iraq having WMD?
The reality is that full auto firearms were banned in 1934 by the National Firearms Act, and the problem with that is it is illegal. Regardless of whether or not firearms are an individual right, there can be no doubt the 2nd amendment prohibited any and all federal jurisdiction. All things that can be done by the states, should be done by the states, and not federal level.
Then the 1968 and 1993 federal acts made firearms far more difficult than in most countries.
{...
The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits persons under eighteen years of age, convicted criminals, the mentally disabled, dishonorably discharged military personnel, and others from purchasing firearms. In 1993, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act mandated background checks for all unlicensed persons purchasing a firearm from a federally authorized dealer.
...}
How do U.S. gun laws compare to other countries?
The only way to really get a feel for US gun laws is to peruse them yourself, or else you are just getting opinion.
Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control
But the myths are widespread and false. For example, one is that guns are not tracked, and the reality is they are, just by dealers, not federal agents. Another is that it is easy to bypass background checks at gun shows or over the internet, and both of those are just lies. There has not be a gun show allowing sales without background checks for over 20 years, and all internet sales and shipments are only through licensed dealers. And the reality is that everyone would prefer to always do background checks, but the FBI won't let them. They ONLY allow licensed dealers conduct background checks, and licensed dealers charge $20 or more to conduct one.
But other countries are much easier than they pretend.
For example, in 1996 Australia claimed to ban all semi auto firearms, and that is not true.
They only had 15% compliance with a buy back, so that mean 85% of the now illegal firearms are still out there in Australia, and simply no one cares. It was all just for show. The violence went down without any real reduction in semi auto firearms.
To give you an example of the complexity of US gun law, here is a link to the Federal Firearms Act of 1968.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-82/pdf/STATUTE-82-Pg1213-2.pdf
Each of the 24 pages is full of restrictions and limitations, most of which do not make any real sense.
In comparison, I have relatives in Europe, who tell me that gun ownership is trivial, and all they have to do is talk to the local police station, or join some sort of gun club.

The police interview you before you get a gun over there? Sounds like a good idea

 

[candycorn]

Every developed nation has people withmental health problems, violent video games and movies, depressed kids.

Only the US has the 2nd Amendment and a PAC dedicated to eliminating any restrictions on buying firearms.

So we have weekly mass shootings

That actually is totally untrue.
It is actually much easier to buy firearms in all other countries compared to the US, except maybe Japan.
The US has over 10,000 firearms laws, and most are complex federal laws, like it being illegal to even drive by a school with a firearm in the trunk of your car.
In other countries you may have to register or license, but that is much less complex than the finger printing and background check you have to do in the US.
All you have to do in the UK, France, Germany, etc., is to join a club and you then are guaranteed approval.
In places like Switzerland and Israel, the government is giving out guns for free, and almost mandating people be armed.

That is the opposite of what I've read from almost every other source. Where are you getting this information? I'd be real interested in a link.

This from Newsweek:

 

[OKTexas]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

Yeah, you run with that. LMAO

Get back to us when the supreme court says you can require criminals do that.

.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

Yeah, you run with that. LMAO

Get back to us when the supreme court says you can require criminals do that.

.

The confiscation may begin but it will be short-lived when the word gets out within the gun community

 

[Auld Phart]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

No law, no single provision of a regulation will ever, and has never stopped criminal actions. Speed limits have not eradicated high speed highway accidents. No building codes have ever ended building fires.

But who would argue that speed limits have substantially reduced high speed airomobile accidents? Who would argue that building codes have been totally ineffective in making construction standards higher and therefore safer?

The Gun Culture is retrenching so deeply in the canard that massively popular, common sense gun safety regulations inevitably result in gun confiscation. The 'slippery slope' doctrine.

Those who successfully introduced Prohibition used the same intractable political tact. The most obstinate politics in 20th century American politics. But when faced with overwhelming popular opposition, they held fast until they were utterly smashed. A few compromises would most certainly saved the Prohibition movement.

I followed you 'til the last paragraph. I thought Prohibition won? For a time, anyway. Be a little more clear. I'm interested. I think the gun lovers are shooting themselves in the proverbial foot by refusing to give an inch.

I thought Prohibition won?

Won?

I posted a link years ago, ( I no longer have it), that with Prohibition in effect, making it illegal to buy or sell alcoholic beverages anywhere in the US, drunk driving decreased by 50%.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

No law, no single provision of a regulation will ever, and has never stopped criminal actions. Speed limits have not eradicated high speed highway accidents. No building codes have ever ended building fires.

But who would argue that speed limits have substantially reduced high speed airomobile accidents? Who would argue that building codes have been totally ineffective in making construction standards higher and therefore safer?

The Gun Culture is retrenching so deeply in the canard that massively popular, common sense gun safety regulations inevitably result in gun confiscation. The 'slippery slope' doctrine.

Those who successfully introduced Prohibition used the same intractable political tact. The most obstinate politics in 20th century American politics. But when faced with overwhelming popular opposition, they held fast until they were utterly smashed. A few compromises would most certainly saved the Prohibition movement.

I followed you 'til the last paragraph. I thought Prohibition won? For a time, anyway. Be a little more clear. I'm interested. I think the gun lovers are shooting themselves in the proverbial foot by refusing to give an inch.

Here's your inch
arm teachers who want to be armed, fix the mental health system, ban violent video games, Stop making boys into girls, stop with the self-identification movement, bring back firearm training in schools, stop the PC SHIT.
That's my compromise

 

[OKTexas]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

I do the background check every time I have ever bought a gun. Three day wait is not follow and carried out the gun at the time of purchase. Why? Retired Cops don't have to wait.

I don't have to wait, you must live in a fucked up State.

.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

confiscating guns would cause a blood bath civil war

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

I do the background check every time I have ever bought a gun. Three day wait is not follow and carried out the gun at the time of purchase. Why? Retired Cops don't have to wait.

I don't have to wait, you must live in a fucked up State.

.

the longest I've had to wait in about 10 minutes

 

[initforme]

I've heard for the past 75 years how someone is going to take away my guns. As a gun owner I have stopped my bra membership. My rights are protected and the 2nd amendment is safe. Same old the sky is falling jargin.

 

[initforme]

I meant nra

 

[OKTexas]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

We can do just that! Every single thing you just posted is workable, just as soon as you repeal the Second Amendment. Why don't you get right on that project?

It can be done. I'd stand behind it.

Go right ahead! The vast majority of Americans disagree with you. Your chances of repealing the 2nd are nil and none!

The vast majority of Americans approve of background checks
Including gun owners

We already have background checks.

.

 

[OKTexas]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

No law, no single provision of a regulation will ever, and has never stopped criminal actions. Speed limits have not eradicated high speed highway accidents. No building codes have ever ended building fires.

But who would argue that speed limits have substantially reduced high speed airomobile accidents? Who would argue that building codes have been totally ineffective in making construction standards higher and therefore safer?

The Gun Culture is retrenching so deeply in the canard that massively popular, common sense gun safety regulations inevitably result in gun confiscation. The 'slippery slope' doctrine.

Those who successfully introduced Prohibition used the same intractable political tact. The most obstinate politics in 20th century American politics. But when faced with overwhelming popular opposition, they held fast until they were utterly smashed. A few compromises would most certainly saved the Prohibition movement.

I followed you 'til the last paragraph. I thought Prohibition won? For a time, anyway. Be a little more clear. I'm interested. I think the gun lovers are shooting themselves in the proverbial foot by refusing to give an inch.

Miles have already been given, no more inches are available.

.

 

[OKTexas]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

Yeah, you run with that. LMAO

Get back to us when the supreme court says you can require criminals do that.

.

The confiscation may begin but it will be short-lived when the word gets out within the gun community

Nope, never happen.

.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The fucking spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

No, you're right. Background checks won't do the trick. Ban and confiscate assault rifles and mags over 10 rounds. Insist on safety courses and licensing, including a clean mental health evaluation, every five years, for any gun. Clean up the NICS data base so it actually contains the information needed to make an informed decision on a potential buyer's appropriateness for a gun.
Americans are stupid mental cases.

Yeah, you run with that. LMAO

Get back to us when the supreme court says you can require criminals do that.

.

The confiscation may begin but it will be short-lived when the word gets out within the gun community

Nope, never happen.

.

It's been happening at the state level but not on a national level but it may come

 

[sparky]

I meant nra

oh c'mon....admit you want one....

~S~