Trump's third term

[buttercup]

Even if they do attempt it, in what universe would that get 2/3 of both chambers plus 3/4 of states to ratify a change almost no one wants?

I agree. I'm just saying that things are so crazy these days, that nothing would surprise me. Plus, I think many here already know my view on all of this stuff anyway. So I don't want to repeat it again on here. haha

 

[0311]

Nope, just to your fantasy reading of it.

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I have a pocket edition of the Constitution, buy one and fucking read the fucking 22nd Amendment of fucking U.S. Constitution.

 

[braalian]

See post 275.

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See post 279

The VP loophole does not exist. The 12th amendment prevents anyone ineligible to be president from running as VP

 

[TemplarKormac]

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Trump won’t rule out seeking a third term in the White House, tells NBC News ‘there are methods’ for doing so

Trump did not rule out the possibility of seeking a third term in the White House in an exclusive interview with NBC News.

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Will Trump have to run for his third term...or can he just stay in office and appoint himself? I'm thinking if he puts in his dream team in the military, that will allow him to stay in the White House. Without the military you can't be a good dictator.

NO. Absolutely not. I will not support a third term.

 

[GMCGeneral]

he 22nd. Amendment prevents him running either president or vice president. This is his second term, and under the constitution he is NOT eligible for a third term.

And yet you people would love for OBozo to do just that, wouldncha?

 

[GMCGeneral]

I think it would doom the ticket but it is legally possible.

Not according to both the 12th and 22nd Amendments. The idea is to pass the torch on to new blood.

 

[braalian]

And yet you people would love for OBozo to do just that, wouldncha?

I’ve never seen any democrats here- ever- say that Obama should find some loophole to run for a third term. Never.

I see republicans here talk about loopholes for trump to do so daily. Several here on this very thread.

Explain that.

 

[OKTexas]

Jesus fucking Christ, have you NOT read the 5 posts here citing the 12th amendment that states anyone not eligible to run for president ALSO ALSO ALSO cannot run for VP?

And I guess you're completely unaware that the 12th never contemplated the existence of the 22nd, RIGHT? And the 22nd has no bearing on the 12th because it never mentions it. So stop trying to conflate the two.

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[OKTexas]

I have a pocket edition of the Constitution, buy one and fucking read the fucking 22nd Amendment of fucking U.S. Constitution.

See post 288.

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[krichton]

Trump has never felt restrained from saying whatever come into his head. It only means as much as people let it mean. He cannot legally have a term after January 2028.

Since when has Trump ever abided by the law?

 

[braalian]

And I guess you're completely unaware that the 12th never contemplated the existence of the 22nd, RIGHT? And the 22nd has no bearing on the 12th because it never mentions it. So stop trying to conflate the two.

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They’re two different things

1) anyone not eligible to run for president is therefore also not eligible to run for VP

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2) no one can be elected more than two full terms as president


Seriously….. what is with this website and people just doubling down when they are proven wrong

Facts are facts. You don’t get to debate facts

 

[toobfreak]

Like any child, he's going to respond in a way that gets a reaction.

Are you a child still?

They should only ask complex questions that require some depth of thought to answer. Now THAT would be interesting to watch.

Yes, let's ask Joe Biden some complex questions! That would have been very interesting to watch, which is why the press were ordered to submit their questions to Joe in advance so they could pick the easy ones and write out the answers. Do you mean like that? Trump has already answered more questions in two months than all of Biden's four years, and he takes all questions cold no matter what or who they are.

But apparently Trump is WAY smarter than you as you never have any answer to any question. I could have out-debated you in 1st Grade.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Again, I think there are too many people who, while they support trump, are more loyal to the cotus. That's just my take on it though, take it or leave it.

And you might be right.

The problem is you have to stop that kind of behavior at the beginning, otherwise it could be too late.

But the right are enabling this.

My worry is that Trump does all this, and then the next guy who comes along is smarter, younger and more ambitious and nefarious.

US Democracy is very, VERY fragile because of the nature of the system.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Since when has Trump ever abided by the law?

Like monkeys and typewriters, he ends up obeying the law simply because he isn't actively breaking all the laws at the same time.

 

[WorldWatcher]

No, I've ways said the intent of the framers was central to the meaning of the cotus. I believe when they wrote the 22A and the 12A, they did so with the idea that a person can only hold the office for 2 terms, and that's it.

12A says that no person ineligible to be president can be VP. I think 22A means trump is ineligible to be president again.

We aren’t talking about what reasonable people believe.

We’re talking about what Trump and the cultist believe is a way.

WW

 

[OKTexas]

And you might be right.

The problem is you have to stop that kind of behavior at the beginning, otherwise it could be too late.

But the right are enabling this.

My worry is that Trump does all this, and then the next guy who comes along is smarter, younger and more ambitious and nefarious.

US Democracy is very, VERY fragile because of the nature of the system.

At the time the 12th was written, you only had to be 35 yoa, a citizen and been in the country for 14 years. Once again are you saying Trump doesn't meet those requirements. Also the 22nd hinges on being elected president, it does not exclude being elected VP.

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How can he just “assume office” without being elected?

Be in the line of secession.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But going for a third term would violate the will of the founders, would it not? They clearly set two terms as the limit.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Be in the line of secession.

All a president could do then, is win two terms, get selected VP afterward, have the winning presidential candidate resign and be appointed VP. It could set off a vicious cycle that could perpetrate a one president rule for decades (if the president is young).

 

[0311]

See post 279

The VP loophole does not exist. The 12th amendment prevents anyone ineligible to be president from running as VP

The 12th Amendment.

United States Constitution.

U.S. Constitution - Twelfth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Twelfth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Twelfth Amendment​

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

47 CANNOT SERVE A THIRD TERM!