Trump's third term

[M14 Shooter]

...all he needs to do is amend the Constitution. If he can do that, in the current climate, it's because he's become a dictator.

You know the President cannot amend the constitution - right?

And if the constitution -is- amended so he can have another term - 2/3 of both houses and 38 states agree to it - then who are you to argue against the democratic process?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Not if you follow the original intent. A president can only be elected twice (can only hold office twice) and being ineligible for the office of president, he can't be VP, and if you mean being speaker, that won't work because he is still ineligible, which means it would bypass the speaker and go to the speaker pro temp of the senate.

What other way is there?

Original intent?

The Founding Fathers put the amendment process into the US Constitution. Amending the Constitution IS ORIGINAL INTENT.

They didn't intend for the Constitution to become so outdated. They assumed that people would change with the times, instead of being stuck with archaic systems.

However, you're very much getting stuck on something which isn't worth getting stuck on.

However, I'm going to talk about what other ways there are.

Try this. Trump somehow manages to get enough Congressmen on his side, who won't impeach him. He gets the Supreme Court to say anything he does as President is fine. He gets the Supreme Court to back him up with things.

Let's see his US citizenship for all people born in the US get knocked down by the Supreme Court. All of a sudden he's gained power over the Constitution WITHOUT the amendment process.

What next? He could just keep pushing, some of the Supreme Court justices are very easy to BRIBE, like Thomas, if he gets a Supreme Court that's on his side, willing to bend the rules, ANYTHING is possible.

Checks and balances are in place, but not if the people who are the checks and balances are with him.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Original intent?

The Founding Fathers put the amendment process into the US Constitution. Amending the Constitution IS ORIGINAL INTENT.

They didn't intend for the Constitution to become so outdated. They assumed that people would change with the times, instead of being stuck with archaic systems.

However, you're very much getting stuck on something which isn't worth getting stuck on.

However, I'm going to talk about what other ways there are.

Try this. Trump somehow manages to get enough Congressmen on his side, who won't impeach him. He gets the Supreme Court to say anything he does as President is fine. He gets the Supreme Court to back him up with things.

Let's see his US citizenship for all people born in the US get knocked down by the Supreme Court. All of a sudden he's gained power over the Constitution WITHOUT the amendment process.

What next? He could just keep pushing, some of the Supreme Court justices are very easy to BRIBE, like Thomas, if he gets a Supreme Court that's on his side, willing to bend the rules, ANYTHING is possible.

Checks and balances are in place, but not if the people who are the checks and balances are with him.

yeah, I just think you're reaching for something that's not there. I believe there are too many repubs that wouldn't go along with it.

As far as scotus, it's not like they've been 100% solid for trump.

I just simply don't think there is a shot in hell that it would ever happen. However, if by some bizzare chance it did, when I mentioned in a post the other day that "i won't vote for trump in '28 ( meant as a joke)". I stick to that. If he tried to run for election in 28, I wouldn't vote for him, and if he were to try and pull some shenanigans to stay in office, I'd oppose it. It's not constitutional.

I just think this whole thing is getting people riled up, when there's no chance it will ever happen.

 

[frigidweirdo]

yeah, I just think you're reaching for something that's not there. I believe there are too many repubs that wouldn't go along with it.

As far as scotus, it's not like they've been 100% solid for trump.

I just simply don't think there is a shot in hell that it would ever happen. However, if by some bizzare chance it did, when I mentioned in a post the other day that "i won't vote for trump in '28 ( meant as a joke)". I stick to that. If he tried to run for election in 28, I wouldn't vote for him, and if he were to try and pull some shenanigans to stay in office, I'd oppose it. It's not constitutional.

I just think this whole thing is getting people riled up, when there's no chance it will ever happen.

I'm not reaching for anything.

We are talking hypothetical.

I'm looking at how Xi gained his power and his ability to change things. I'm looking at how Hun Sen did the same thing. We can see what Hitler did too.

How do you go from what exists now, to being a dictatorship? It's possible. There are ways of manipulating things, taking small steps that people think "that's not good, but it's not that bad, is it?" and then all of a sudden you end up in a position where you can't rest that power back from the people who have it.

You say there's no chance of it happening, history tells us it has happened many times.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I'm not reaching for anything.

We are talking hypothetical.

I'm looking at how Xi gained his power and his ability to change things. I'm looking at how Hun Sen did the same thing. We can see what Hitler did too.

How do you go from what exists now, to being a dictatorship? It's possible. There are ways of manipulating things, taking small steps that people think "that's not good, but it's not that bad, is it?" and then all of a sudden you end up in a position where you can't rest that power back from the people who have it.

You say there's no chance of it happening, history tells us it has happened many times.

But did those places have a constitution ...and a system of government like ours?

 

[OKTexas]

No...since he has already served twice as president, he is now ineligible to be president again, which means he cannot be VP

Wrong, he was elected twice, so he can't be elected president again, where is it written he can't be elected VP?

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[0311]

Trump has never read the Constitution.

Too many big words.

TL/DR

47 had a problem with Dick, Jane and Sally.

 

[0311]

Wrong, he was elected twice, so he can't be elected president again, where is it written he can't be elected VP?

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In the Constitution. He cannot serve a term as V.P, after serving as prez. He is stickily forbidden from serving a term as Prez, even if he is serving V.P. read the fucking Constitution.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Try this. Trump somehow manages to get enough Congressmen on his side, who won't impeach him. He gets the Supreme Court to say anything he does as President is fine. He gets the Supreme Court to back him up with things.

Let's see his US citizenship for all people born in the US get knocked down by the Supreme Court. All of a sudden he's gained power over the Constitution WITHOUT the amendment process.

How about you step away from arguing against your fantasies and return to discussing reality?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Wrong, he was elected twice, so he can't be elected president again, where is it written he can't be elected VP?

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The last sentence of the 12th Amendment.
Its already been quoted to you twice.

 

[0311]

Wrong, he was elected twice, so he can't be elected president again, where is it written he can't be elected VP?

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He cannot, under 22nd Amendment serve more than two terms as prez. It does not matter if they are consecutive terms or not. The Constitution on this issue. Thank you for playing grasping at straws. Two terms and two terms only.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How do you go from what exists now, to being a dictatorship? It's possible. There are ways of manipulating things, taking small steps that people think "that's not good, but it's not that bad, is it?" and then all of a sudden you end up in a position where you can't rest that power back from the people who have it.
You say there's no chance of it happening, history tells us it has happened many times.

Mkay.
Lets say all that happens.
What's your recourse?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Wrong, he was elected twice, so he can't be elected president again, where is it written he can't be elected VP?

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Trump can't be VP because he is ineligible to be president. It's in the 12th amendment

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

U.S. Constitution - Twelfth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Twelfth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

 

[frigidweirdo]

But did those places have a constitution ...and a system of government like ours?

Hitler's Germany did.

The problem here is that Trump is bashing down the lines of power that are quite vague, he's already started the process. He's talking about a third term and a lot of people just let him get away with it. He's talking about ignoring the constitution on many levels and people just say "oh, well, it won't happen". That's super dangerous.

 

[buttercup]

12th Amendment.

As a few people already pointed out.... the last sentence:

"But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."​

U.S. Constitution - Twelfth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Twelfth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

 

[braalian]

Wrong, he was elected twice, so he can't be elected president again, where is it written he can't be elected VP?

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The entire point of VP is that they become POTUS if something happens to the president

The entire point of the 22nd amendment was to prevent anyone from serving more than 2 terms as president.

Just because they didn’t spell out word-for-word “oh, and a two term president can’t backdoor his way in by running as VP” doesn’t mean Trump- or anyone- can use that as a loophole.

What a spectacularly shitty thing to even consider. Obviously the writers of the amendment meant that no one can serve a third term under ANY circumstances. Obviously.

Plus, Trump will be old as shit by then.

 

[OKTexas]

In the Constitution. He cannot serve a term as V.P, after serving as prez. He is stickily forbidden from serving a term as Prez, even if he is serving V.P. read the fucking Constitution.

 

[M14 Shooter]

But did those places have a constitution ...and a system of government like ours?

No. Nor did they have a centuries old tradition of democracy.

 

[0311]

Then why is he saying “there are methods” and that he’s “not joking”?

NO such methods exist. The United States Constitution limits a president to two terms and two terms only.

 

[Rumpole]

He could run as a VP candidate.

No, because the constitution gives out the rules for succession, and given that he can't become president, given that the VP and Speaker positions require the ability to become president, he won't be able occupy those positions either. He could try, but it will be seen for what it is, a subterfuge that violates the constitution.