Trump says! YOU ain’t interviewing anyone until you vote for impeachment!

[bendog]

They dragged us through 2 years of nonsense already.

They? 24/7 news channels have for sure but, while it may feel like years, the House has only been investigating the Don for less than a year. Sure, in 2016 they whined like Republicans in 2009, but they had no power to investigate for the first 2 either.

Are we to believe that dems running an investigation would lead to less partisan actions than the independent counsel's investigation that was comprised of the likes of Peter Strzok. you can if you want. I think we've turned over all the rocks there, so it is irrelevant that they've only had the chair for this amount of time, doubly so because the issue they are bringing forth here is within this timeframe.

If they want license to drag us through sumilar drama all over again, and burn millions more dollars in the process, they need to at least have the nerve to be accountable for their own actions in putting it into motion and be held accountable, which is exactly what they are refusing to do.

Buy it if you want. they could call a vote Monday and put it to rest. they won't.

Wrong, as more interviews and documents are viewed, more roads need to be followed. When one seeks an indictment before a Grand Jury, or an Impeachment, the more evidence gathered the better.

It seems most of the President's men are not willing to fall on their sword. Do you deny that more people in the know are talking, no matter how much he tries to prevent their testimony?

The Don no longer has a press sec giving briefings, and instead just waddles out to the front yard and doesn't respond to the substance of any question beyond calling people names and making accusations without facts. So it may be that the House has found their own way to do what responsible media has always done with potus's of both parties. Ask questions and demand answers.

And if Trump did a quid pro on military aid for a biden investigation …. that's a crime. So, the Trumpsettes can claim "not legit," but it is at least as legit and Benghazi not to mention Ken Starr asking about a GD blowjob.

but the Crowdstrike thing is just another step down the bizarre. Throw more light on Trump.

 

[bendog]

Trump administration orders ambassador not to appear at House impeachment probe deposition

Trump is a true cow boy! Calling out the cowards of the county!

God bless you trump! We stand with you!

that didn't work too well. LOL

Classic case of premature ejaculation.

NPR had an interview with a fellow gop fundraiser who had a long past with the Ambassador. The feeling is witnesses have a long time left in their lives, and getting before a committee and testifying under oath truthfully is their one way to get ahead of events. and Trump doesn't have long time aids like Nixon had in Haldaman and even Ron Zigler, or Reagan had in Deever and Meese. Nixon led his guys to suicide. Reagan's guys kept him from doing anything irretrievably stupid. Trump has neither.

 

[Fueri]

They dragged us through 2 years of nonsense already.

They? 24/7 news channels have for sure but, while it may feel like years, the House has only been investigating the Don for less than a year. Sure, in 2016 they whined like Republicans in 2009, but they had no power to investigate for the first 2 either.

Are we to believe that dems running an investigation would lead to less partisan actions than the independent counsel's investigation that was comprised of the likes of Peter Strzok. you can if you want. I think we've turned over all the rocks there, so it is irrelevant that they've only had the chair for this amount of time, doubly so because the issue they are bringing forth here is within this timeframe.

If they want license to drag us through sumilar drama all over again, and burn millions more dollars in the process, they need to at least have the nerve to be accountable for their own actions in putting it into motion and be held accountable, which is exactly what they are refusing to do.

Buy it if you want. they could call a vote Monday and put it to rest. they won't.

Wrong, as more interviews and documents are viewed, more roads need to be followed. When one seeks an indictment before a Grand Jury, or an Impeachment, the more evidence gathered the better.

It seems most of the President's men are not willing to fall on their sword. Do you deny that more people in the know are talking, no matter how much he tries to prevent their testimony?

Fine. follow whatever road you'd like. Stand up and vote for the formal process.

 

[edward37]

Trump administration orders ambassador not to appear at House impeachment probe deposition

Trump is a true cow boy! Calling out the cowards of the county!

God bless you trump! We stand with you!

that didn't work too well. LOL

Classic case of premature ejaculation.

NPR had an interview with a fellow gop fundraiser who had a long past with the Ambassador. The feeling is witnesses have a long time left in their lives, and getting before a committee and testifying under oath truthfully is their one way to get ahead of events. and Trump doesn't have long time aids like Nixon had in Haldaman and even Ron Zigler, or Reagan had in Deever and Meese. Nixon led his guys to suicide. Reagan's guys kept him from doing anything irretrievably stupid. Trump has neither.

His people are leaving in droves They know he stinks to high heaven and have had enough No cover up for trump either ,Too many people know too much

 

[Fueri]

Are we to believe that dems running an investigation would lead to less partisan actions than the independent counsel's investigation that was comprised of the likes of Peter Strzok.

Well the DOJ proclamation of No Collusion, No Obstruction about the report was not only highly partisan but highly inaccurate as well. I never said the investigations in to Trump were bipartisan.

If they want license to drag us through sumilar drama all over again, and burn millions more dollars in the process,

It was a unforced error to hire Flynn and then haft to fire him. Then to have his own hand picked AG appoint the Mueller investigation because Donnie fired Comey. The Ukraine deal, the betrayal of our allies in the fight against ISIS are more unforced errors, imo.

Could be, although those ate all separate conversations unto themselves.

 

[Jitss617]

Trump administration orders ambassador not to appear at House impeachment probe deposition

Trump is a true cow boy! Calling out the cowards of the county!

God bless you trump! We stand with you!

that didn't work too well. LOL

Classic case of premature ejaculation.

Trump got it on your face to lol

 

[Zorro!]

Why is there need to call any type of special inquiry for the various committees' investigations into the president? They already have the subpoena power don't they? The recent Republican led House didn't need to vote on any special inquiry to be able to issue subpoenas to President Obama's administration did they?

After a couple of pages of throat-clearing about the purpored “impeachment inquiry,” the chairmen observe that, even without such an inquiry, the Oversight Committee has its own independent authority to conduct oversight investigations and issue subpoenas. In other words, information is actually being demanded under Congress’s routine authority to scrutinize executive activities. There would be nothing extraordinary about it . . . except that senior Democrats have decided to hang an “impeachment” sign on the exercise,\

Exactly, it's a stunt. They're marketing this as "impeachment" when it is nothing more than what they've been doing all along.

Vote on it if you have an actual case or just STFU.

Pretending these are not serious allegations of wrong doing and calling it a stunt doesn't abrogate their subpoena power. Democrats made the very same argument when the Republicans changed the rules to follow allegations of their own. They issued valid subpoenas and got nearly all of what they requested. What they didn't get they took to court to get.

If the allegation are substantiated it will lead to a vote on some Articles of Impeachment.

I'm not pretending these may not be serious allegations, but it is a stunt, IMO, or they would hold a vote.

This "we have to investigate to find out" approach is exactly what we heard all along on the Russian Collusion thing. Keep investigating, no real there, there, just keep attacking for political leverage. That horse died, so they needed a similar vehicle and now they've come up with this.

I think this is more of the same, based on their past actions as indicated. After 2 years of Russians! the onus is on them to prove otherwise this time around and I'd think they'd be happy to do it if they thought they had something by holding a simple vote. That they are not doing so makes me think they're just playing poltical games, ie, it's a stunt.

Fool me once and all that.....

To Impeach all they have to do is vote on the Articles. How they get there is entirely up to the Democrats. There is no reason to vote, it will not give their subpoena any more authority...

Yes it will. Right now they are limited to legislative purposes. With an actual impeachment inquiry, their powers become very broad and include the ability to investigate crimes of Treason, Bribery and other High Crimes.

... Democrats have had no investigatory power as the minority...

That have enough votes to open an impeachment inquiry if they wish.

 

[Zorro!]

Dirty Bob Mueller and his band of Witch Hunters did that and came up empty.

Contrary to known reality.

No indictments of anyone for campaign activities.

 

[Zorro!]

If the House doesn't like the way the WH responds to their subpoenas they are more than welcome to take them to court.

They will need to show the court the Legislative Purpose of the subpoena, if their case is not believable, they will lose.

Exactly on the former but nah on the latter. However since the DOJ is usually the one to prosecute, the civil suit route will be too slow to reveal the information they have sought to matter.

The DOJ NEVER brings action to enforce a CONGRESSIONAL Subpoena against the Executive Branch, that is ALWAYS the duty of Congress.

 

[Zorro!]

And when the real Impeachment happens then the Rump Mob just starts the obstruction all over again. We've seen this before. AT what point does it stop. After they drag Rump from the White House will he still be screaming Executive Privilege? And will Pompeo still be trying to block things along with Barr? Nope, Pompeo and Barr will be screaming from the high heavens on what nasty things that bad old Rump tried to get them to do at that point. As they drag both of them off as well.

We traded the Deep for the Mob.

Not sure what you are talking about. The House will lose Impeachment in the Senate, if they even dare to take this farce that far. And that will be followed by a sound repudiation of the House by the US Electorate as they return Trump for a second term.

Trump tells House they can wipe their asses with their "subpoenas" because they haven't held a vote.

The president is correct that the Constitution gives the impeachment power to the House of Representatives. The power is not given to the speaker of the House or to a cabal of partisan committee chairmen. It belongs to the House as an institution.

The House acts as an institution by voting. On the matter of conducting an impeachment inquiry, the House has not voted.

This is a cold political calculation by Pelosi.

She knows Democratic control of the House hinges not on the AOC lefties, for whom impeachment is an easy vote; it hinges on about 41 Democrats who hold seats in districts Trump won in 2016. Impeachment is apt to be unpopular among those voters. Democrats who support it may imperil their re-election and party’s majority.

With Pelosi, it's ALL Politics,

https://nypost.com/2019/10/16/pelosis-impeachment-drive-is-all-politics-no-law/

Why is there need to call any type of special inquiry for the various committees' investigations into the president? They already have the subpoena power don't they? The recent Republican led House didn't need to vote on any special inquiry to be able to issue subpoenas to President Obama's administration did they?

After a couple of pages of throat-clearing about the purpored “impeachment inquiry,” the chairmen observe that, even without such an inquiry, the Oversight Committee has its own independent authority to conduct oversight investigations and issue subpoenas. In other words, information is actually being demanded under Congress’s routine authority to scrutinize executive activities. There would be nothing extraordinary about it . . . except that senior Democrats have decided to hang an “impeachment” sign on the exercise,\

Exactly, it's a stunt. They're marketing this as "impeachment" when it is nothing more than what they've been doing all along.

Vote on it if you have an actual case or just STFU.

... Pretending these are not serious allegations of wrong doing...

They aren't serious allegations of wrong doing.

...and calling it a stunt...

It is a stunt. Democrats have been going from one baseless stunt to next for 3 years.

... doesn't abrogate their subpoena power....

Without an impeachment inquiry, their subpoena power is limited to Legislative Purposes.

... Democrats made the very same argument when the Republicans changed the rules to follow allegations of their own. They issued valid subpoenas and got nearly all of what they requested...

I already dealt with this with you. The House's rule making authority only binds the House. The House cannot alter Constitutional Executive Branch Power without the consent of 3/4ths of the State Legislatures.

... What they didn't get they took to court to get....

Exactly what you folks have been invited repeatedly to do. You refuse because it would quickly expose your dog and pony show as a farce and a fraud on The American People.

 

[bendog]

Not sure what you are talking about. The House will lose Impeachment in the Senate, if they even dare to take this farce that far. And that will be followed by a sound repudiation of the House by the US Electorate as they return Trump for a second term.

Trump tells House they can wipe their asses with their "subpoenas" because they haven't held a vote.

The president is correct that the Constitution gives the impeachment power to the House of Representatives. The power is not given to the speaker of the House or to a cabal of partisan committee chairmen. It belongs to the House as an institution.

The House acts as an institution by voting. On the matter of conducting an impeachment inquiry, the House has not voted.

This is a cold political calculation by Pelosi.

She knows Democratic control of the House hinges not on the AOC lefties, for whom impeachment is an easy vote; it hinges on about 41 Democrats who hold seats in districts Trump won in 2016. Impeachment is apt to be unpopular among those voters. Democrats who support it may imperil their re-election and party’s majority.

With Pelosi, it's ALL Politics,

https://nypost.com/2019/10/16/pelosis-impeachment-drive-is-all-politics-no-law/

Why is there need to call any type of special inquiry for the various committees' investigations into the president? They already have the subpoena power don't they? The recent Republican led House didn't need to vote on any special inquiry to be able to issue subpoenas to President Obama's administration did they?

After a couple of pages of throat-clearing about the purpored “impeachment inquiry,” the chairmen observe that, even without such an inquiry, the Oversight Committee has its own independent authority to conduct oversight investigations and issue subpoenas. In other words, information is actually being demanded under Congress’s routine authority to scrutinize executive activities. There would be nothing extraordinary about it . . . except that senior Democrats have decided to hang an “impeachment” sign on the exercise,\

Exactly, it's a stunt. They're marketing this as "impeachment" when it is nothing more than what they've been doing all along.

Vote on it if you have an actual case or just STFU.

... Pretending these are not serious allegations of wrong doing...

They aren't serious allegations of wrong doing.

...and calling it a stunt...

It is a stunt. Democrats have been going from one baseless stunt to next for 3 years.

... doesn't abrogate their subpoena power....

Without an impeachment inquiry, their subpoena power is limited to Legislative Purposes.

... Democrats made the very same argument when the Republicans changed the rules to follow allegations of their own. They issued valid subpoenas and got nearly all of what they requested...

I already dealt with this with you. The House's rule making authority only binds the House. The House cannot alter Constitutional Executive Branch Power without the consent of 3/4ths of the State Legislatures.

... What they didn't get they took to court to get....

Exactly what you folks have been invited repeatedly to do. You refuse because it would quickly expose your dog and pony show as a farce and a fraud on The American People.

If congress is investigating, that's a legislative purpose. But if Nixon had the same courts, he might have skated.

 

[WEATHER53]

The Dems won’t do it the legally permissible way as it exposes them to permitted counter measures. So they are slithering in secret oozing innuendo they hope can damage Trump

 

[Zorro!]

The Dems won’t do it the legally permissible way as it exposes them to permitted counter measures. So they are slithering in secret oozing innuendo they hope can damage Trump

They are misusing using their impeachment power in a vain attempt to influence the election, they know they are going to lose. Once again the Left's strange purging continues by confessing their evil acts by accusing Republicans of being guilty of the acts the Left is committing.

 

[Zorro!]

Why is there need to call any type of special inquiry for the various committees' investigations into the president? They already have the subpoena power don't they? The recent Republican led House didn't need to vote on any special inquiry to be able to issue subpoenas to President Obama's administration did they?

After a couple of pages of throat-clearing about the purpored “impeachment inquiry,” the chairmen observe that, even without such an inquiry, the Oversight Committee has its own independent authority to conduct oversight investigations and issue subpoenas. In other words, information is actually being demanded under Congress’s routine authority to scrutinize executive activities. There would be nothing extraordinary about it . . . except that senior Democrats have decided to hang an “impeachment” sign on the exercise,\

Exactly, it's a stunt. They're marketing this as "impeachment" when it is nothing more than what they've been doing all along.

Vote on it if you have an actual case or just STFU.

... Pretending these are not serious allegations of wrong doing...

They aren't serious allegations of wrong doing.

...and calling it a stunt...

It is a stunt. Democrats have been going from one baseless stunt to next for 3 years.

... doesn't abrogate their subpoena power....

Without an impeachment inquiry, their subpoena power is limited to Legislative Purposes.

... Democrats made the very same argument when the Republicans changed the rules to follow allegations of their own. They issued valid subpoenas and got nearly all of what they requested...

I already dealt with this with you. The House's rule making authority only binds the House. The House cannot alter Constitutional Executive Branch Power without the consent of 3/4ths of the State Legislatures.

... What they didn't get they took to court to get....

Exactly what you folks have been invited repeatedly to do. You refuse because it would quickly expose your dog and pony show as a farce and a fraud on The American People.

If congress is investigating, that's a legislative purpose...

No it isn't. They don't have criminal investigation power outside of impeachment. The Executive Branch handles criminal investigation.

 

[bendog]

There is evidence that Trump tied military aid to investigation of Joe Biden by Ukraine. That would be a crime. The dems in congress have the same power to subpoena and investigate facts about that as did the gop with Benghazi or Hill's emails (both of which stunk like rot as does Trump)

Pelsoi can assign the investigation to any committee and there's no requirement for any vote unless a bill of impeachment is presented on the House floor.

 

[BlindBoo]

Democrats have been going from one baseless stunt to next for 3 years.

Democrat simply haven't have any power in either chamber except for this year.

Without an impeachment inquiry, their subpoena power is limited to Legislative Purposes.

legislative purpose is broad and is not define by an Executive branch lawyer.

Exactly what you folks have been invited repeatedly to do. You refuse because it would quickly

Nothing will get resolved quickly through the courts. But the next DOJ might. We'll see.

 

[Zorro!]

There is evidence that Trump tied military aid to investigation of Joe Biden by Ukraine.

No there isn't.

... That would be a crime...

No it isn't.

... The dems in congress have the same power to subpoena and investigate facts about that as did the gop with Benghazi or Hill's emails...

And Hillary bleach-bitted them without repercussion.

...Pelsoi can assign the investigation to any committee and there's no requirement for any vote...

Then take this claim to a court.

THE HOUSE has impeachment power, not PELOSI.

You guys don't understand SELF-RULE. You think if someone wins an election, they are endowed with limitless autocratic power. So take it to Court and Court will set you straight.

 

[bendog]

After a couple of pages of throat-clearing about the purpored “impeachment inquiry,” the chairmen observe that, even without such an inquiry, the Oversight Committee has its own independent authority to conduct oversight investigations and issue subpoenas. In other words, information is actually being demanded under Congress’s routine authority to scrutinize executive activities. There would be nothing extraordinary about it . . . except that senior Democrats have decided to hang an “impeachment” sign on the exercise,\

Exactly, it's a stunt. They're marketing this as "impeachment" when it is nothing more than what they've been doing all along.

Vote on it if you have an actual case or just STFU.

... Pretending these are not serious allegations of wrong doing...

They aren't serious allegations of wrong doing.

...and calling it a stunt...

It is a stunt. Democrats have been going from one baseless stunt to next for 3 years.

... doesn't abrogate their subpoena power....

Without an impeachment inquiry, their subpoena power is limited to Legislative Purposes.

... Democrats made the very same argument when the Republicans changed the rules to follow allegations of their own. They issued valid subpoenas and got nearly all of what they requested...

I already dealt with this with you. The House's rule making authority only binds the House. The House cannot alter Constitutional Executive Branch Power without the consent of 3/4ths of the State Legislatures.

... What they didn't get they took to court to get....

Exactly what you folks have been invited repeatedly to do. You refuse because it would quickly expose your dog and pony show as a farce and a fraud on The American People.

If congress is investigating, that's a legislative purpose...

No it isn't. They don't have criminal investigation power outside of impeachment. The Executive Branch handles criminal investigation.

Of for god's sake.

Google House of Representatives Investigative Power.

fuck I'll do it for you

Since then, the court has reiterated that Congress’ power to investigate is broad — “as penetrating and far-reaching as the potential power to enact and appropriate under the Constitution.” That power allows Congress to make, for example, “inquiries concerning the administration of existing laws, as well as proposed or possibly needed statutes. It includes surveys of defects in our social, economic or political system for the purpose of enabling the Congress to remedy them,” as well as “probes into departments of the Federal Government to expose corruption, inefficiency or waste.”

Moreover, the court has added, the inquiry into whether an investigation serves a “legislative purpose” is a relatively narrow one, in which any possible ulterior motives by Congress take a back seat. The court explained that, although “dishonest or vindictive motives are readily attributed to legislative conduct and as readily believed,” the remedy for such motives is “self-discipline and the voters,” rather than the courts. The role of the courts, the Supreme Court stressed, should be limited to determining whether a committee’s investigation goes beyond the legislative function because it takes on powers that are “exclusively vested” in either the judiciary or the executive branch.

At the same time, the Supreme Court has made clear that Congress’ power to investigate is not unlimited. That power cannot, the court has noted, “be used to inquire into private affairs unrelated to a valid legislative purpose,” and it does not apply “to an area in which Congress is forbidden to legislate.” Nor, the court has observed, should the power to investigate “be confused with any of the powers of law enforcement.” Congress’ power to investigate is also limited by the rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, including the right not to incriminate oneself.
Cases and controversies: Congress, the subpoena power and a “legislative purpose” - SCOTUSblog

 

[Dana7360]

Trump administration orders ambassador not to appear at House impeachment probe deposition

Trump is a true cow boy! Calling out the cowards of the county!

God bless you trump! We stand with you!

Well he and you are wrong.

Many people have been interviewed. Including more than one ambassador. Two of them that I know of so far.

So you are crowing over nothing.

In fact the exact opposite has happened.

If I were you, I wouldn't start posts like this. You only make an even bigger fool of yourself.

 

[Zorro!]

Exactly, it's a stunt. They're marketing this as "impeachment" when it is nothing more than what they've been doing all along.

Vote on it if you have an actual case or just STFU.

... Pretending these are not serious allegations of wrong doing...

They aren't serious allegations of wrong doing.

...and calling it a stunt...

It is a stunt. Democrats have been going from one baseless stunt to next for 3 years.

... doesn't abrogate their subpoena power....

Without an impeachment inquiry, their subpoena power is limited to Legislative Purposes.

... Democrats made the very same argument when the Republicans changed the rules to follow allegations of their own. They issued valid subpoenas and got nearly all of what they requested...

I already dealt with this with you. The House's rule making authority only binds the House. The House cannot alter Constitutional Executive Branch Power without the consent of 3/4ths of the State Legislatures.

... What they didn't get they took to court to get....

Exactly what you folks have been invited repeatedly to do. You refuse because it would quickly expose your dog and pony show as a farce and a fraud on The American People.

If congress is investigating, that's a legislative purpose...

No it isn't. They don't have criminal investigation power outside of impeachment. The Executive Branch handles criminal investigation.

Of for god's sake.

Google House of Representatives Investigative Power.

fuck I'll do it for you

Since then, the court has reiterated that Congress’ power to investigate is broad...

Yes THE HOUSE. Pelosi is NOT the House.