Trump is right on Ukraine

[georgephillip]

Here is a recent history lesson on both Ukraine and Russia. I learned a few things from it. Article worth checking out.

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine​

Opinion - Sadly, Trump is right on Ukraine

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky provoked wider war by violating peace deals with Russia and seeking NATO military aid and membership, while Joe Biden also contributed crucially to the escalatio...

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"The basic outlines of a deal to end the fighting are obvious even if details remain to be negotiated, as Trump and Putin started doing today in a phone call.

"Russia will continue to occupy Crimea and other portions of the southeast, while the rest of Ukraine will not join NATO but will get security guarantees from some western countries.

"The sad thing is that such a plan could have been achieved at least two years ago if only President Biden had made military aid conditional on Zelensky negotiating a ceasefire."

Biden never considered prioritizing human lives over corporate profits; hopefully, Trump will find a compromise (or not).

U.S. corporate land grab in Ukraine underlies war with Russia | MR Online

"War and Theft​

"A detailed analysis of the land grab in Ukraine by Western corporations was provided in a 2023 report by the Oakland Institute1 entitled 'War and Theft: The Takeover of Ukraine’s Agricultural Land.'"

 

[AZrailwhale]

You are the product of a country that lost the cream of four generations in two world wars. The brave didn’t survive to breed and it shows.

I know you asshole some were members of my family including my Dad and his brother one Uncle killed 12 days after landing on D Day buried in Bayeux military cemetery, another one a POW, WW1 my Grandad sent home because he suffered a shell blast to his leg he never really recovered from all his life, my other Grandad on my Mums side shot fighting the Turks but survived and suffered with malaria, so don't lecture me about defending my Country, tell me hero when did you defend yours?

I'm a Vietnam Era veteran. I was pulled off levy at Fort Lewis because the Army thought an EOD tech was more valuable dealing with domestic terrorists like the Weathermen and KKK than in Vietnam where most booby traps were simply blown in place rather than disarmed. I honor your parents and grandparents' generations sacrifices for THEIR country, but you dodged the question, WHERE AND WHEN DID YOU SERVE TO PROTECT YOUR COUNTRY? You are simply an entitled blowhard resting on the laurels accumulated by your ancestors.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Do you really think Putin cared who was in power? he took action at the time because he had no alternative.

He took action because he knew a democratic administration wouldn't respond militarily. Under the original Minsk Accords, the USA should have had the Air Force bombing the crap out of the invading Russian forces when they entered Crimea. WE guaranteed Ukrainian territorial integrity. Instead, Obama sent rations and blankets.

 

[Deadstick]

He took action because he knew a democratic administration wouldn't respond militarily. Under the original Minsk Accords, the USA should have had the Air Force bombing the crap out of the invading Russian forces when they entered Crimea. WE guaranteed Ukrainian territorial integrity. Instead, Obama sent rations and blankets.

If you thought you would have got away with attacking Russians in Crimea you are deluded.

 

[eagle1462010]

Never said he wasn't. but we poked him. stop poking people

UKraine wanted in NATO. Idiot politicians and the EU were agreeing. So he eventually went to War to take access to the Black Sea.

He had no access to it and that's why.

Which is the real reason for this War.

would you?

If Russian. Probably not. Cremia stayed a Russian Naval Base even while in Ukraine.

He moved to ensure his Navy has Black Sea ports.

Didn't they just stop elections? they have nothing to stand on at this moment in time.

Not sure. But they have a Historical reason to Hate Russia

 

[Deadstick]

I'm a Vietnam Era veteran. I was pulled off levy at Fort Lewis because the Army thought an EOD tech was more valuable dealing with domestic terrorists like the Weathermen and KKK than in Vietnam where most booby traps were simply blown in place rather than disarmed. I honor your parents and grandparents' generations sacrifices for THEIR country, but you dodged the question, WHERE AND WHEN DID YOU SERVE TO PROTECT YOUR COUNTRY? You are simply an entitled blowhard resting on the laurels accumulated by your ancestors.

I never served in the armed forces so what? and how did you fighting in Vietnam about ten thousand miles away defend your Country? i have posted before i had a cousin American from Georgia he was also deluded and brainwashed he went to Vietnam twice with the Marines and for what?

 

[eagle1462010]

Never said he wasn't. but we poked him. stop poking people

He had no access to it and that's why.

would you?

Didn't they just stop elections? they have nothing to stand on at this moment in time.

No it's not, Europe has no intentions. They went along with the elites from America to poke the bear and now they know, at least for four years, that's done.

The EU was fine and dandy trying to get Ukraine into NATO. Them and the WEF clowns like Obama and Biden.

So Russia attacked Ukraine to take STRATEGIC water front property. They will take Odessa next if Peace isnt negotiated.

Russia is also trying to get Turkey on their side and out of NATO evan as Turkey funds ISIS in Syria.

Russia doesnt care. As long as they keep their base they dont care which head chopper is in charge

 

[eagle1462010]

If you thought you would have got away with attacking Russians in Crimea you are deluded.

If you think you can beat in the battlefield yoy are deluded.

Only the threat of Nuclear weapins stops us from finding out.

 

[Deadstick]

If you think you can beat in the battlefield yoy are deluded.

Only the threat of Nuclear weapins stops us from finding out.

Try it and see what happens, those European clowns are running about like idiots talking about a coalition of the willing, they will be dead as soon as they set foot in Ukraine, you talk a big game but thats all it is talk.

 

[eagle1462010]

Try it and see what happens, those European clowns are running about like idiots talking about a coalition of the willing, they will be dead as soon as they set foot in Ukraine, you talk a big game but thats all it is talk.

Screw you. I served and got the fun of flipping off Russians in person.

While im old their military aint shit compared to us and they know it.

EU. Well they been using us.

 

[Deadstick]

Screw you. I served and got the fun of flipping off Russians in person.

While im old their military aint shit compared to us and they know it.

EU. Well they been using us.

The US has not been involved in a War fighting another army the size of Russia since WW2 so better stick with blowing brown people in third World Countries away.

 

[eagle1462010]

The US has not been involved in a War fighting another army the size of Russia since WW2 so better stick with blowing brown people in third World Countries away.

Well then maybe the bear better stop pushing us.

Sound familiar?

 

[ElmerMudd]

**** too. No matter what he does, no matter what happens, your tiny little brain and big mouth will bleed TDS.

Stock market is down. The financial markets are predicting higher inflation so the interest rate was not lowered. A lot of ending wars but they are still going. He undermined Ukraine more than the Russian armies. He has broken the main tenets of our Constitution, seperation of powers. He is turning our nation into an autocracy. What happen when a left wing whacko becomes President with all the power Trump is building into the Presidency.

You are an idiot if you don't see the negatives.

 

[Deadstick]

Well then maybe the bear better stop pushing us.

Sound familiar?

I don't see any Russian troops on your border.

 

[eagle1462010]

I don't see any Russian troops on your border.

You are pushing at NATO. We are there.

 

[Lesh]

Don't give me blood on both sides bullshit and there were no Russian proxies in 2014, they were for the most part civilians who formed defence groups against those Ukrainians who attacked Mariupol and don't forget just 6 days before the same fascist gangs murdered people in Odessa when they burned and beat people to death in the trade Union building, thats why Russia will have to liberate that City.

Bullshit Kremlin propaganda

 

[Lesh]

I never served in the armed forces so what? and how did you fighting in Vietnam about ten thousand miles away defend your Country? i have posted before i had a cousin American from Georgia he was also deluded and brainwashed he went to Vietnam twice with the Marines and for what?

Bit you’re one of those who mindlessly says “thank you for your service” I bet

 

[AZrailwhale]

If you thought you would have got away with attacking Russians in Crimea you are deluded.

The Russian Air Force couldn’t even handle decades old MiGs, F-15s would have eaten it alive, then B-1s and B-52s acting as missile trucks would have slaughtered the Russian army. The invasion would have been over in a week and the Russians would have been removed from their naval bases in Crimea as well.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I never served in the armed forces so what? and how did you fighting in Vietnam about ten thousand miles away defend your Country? i have posted before i had a cousin American from Georgia he was also deluded and brainwashed he went to Vietnam twice with the Marines and for what?

You wouldn't understand.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The US has not been involved in a War fighting another army the size of Russia since WW2 so better stick with blowing brown people in third World Countries away.

Saddam’s army was bigger than the Russian Army, trained and equipped with the best Russia had to offer and lost in less than a week. A bunch of poorly trained and led Russian draftees wouldn’t have lasted any longer.