Trump Is On His Way To China, Is That Good?

[skye]

Defeat in Iran? We have kicked their ass. We own them. We have oyou won't change my opinio or the opinion of otheres andnly stopped short to give them a chance to do the right thing and save their civilian population further hardship. Why do you waste your time with horseshit?

ok toobfreak, nobody is going to change any opinion regarding this illegal war here, so.... peace LOL

 

[toobfreak]

ok toobfreak, nobody is going to change any opinion regarding this illegal war

What illegal war? there is nothing illegal about Iran if that is what you speak of, you've been really sucking down the purple grape Koolaid, Skye, and most of it sounds very leftwing.

Quit following this internet crap and spend a little time getting some accurate news. Try Newsmax and NTD News for starters.

 

[skye]

What illegal war? there is nothing illegal about Iran if that is what you speak of, you've been really sucking down the purple grape Koolaid, Skye, and most of it sounds very leftwing.

Quit following this internet crap and spend a little time getting some accurate news. Try Newsmax and NTD News for starters.

Illegal war.

Period.

Peace.

 

[Leo123]

China is interested in economics as they need a lot of money to feed their people. This war in Iran has disrupted China's 20% oil they were getting from Iran. They desperately need less chaos in the region. They don't give a rip about Iran's and Israel's conflicts and beefs.

IMO, Trump's strategy is to tell Xi if he helps us in eliminating the IRGC from the straits, return to normal and China's economy will benefit.

 

[toobfreak]

Illegal war.

Name what law it breaks?

 

[skye]

Name what law it breaks?

He just went and started a war with Iran because Bibi told him to.


"This war violates both U.S. domestic and international law.

The Constitution is very clear that only Congress, not the president, has the power to declare war. Trump did not even consult with Congress, let alone rely on a congressional declaration of war before launching one against Iran."

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I would have put this in our China folder, but we have none! We have a folder for Iraq and Canada, but none for our biggest adversary? At any rate, this thread will at least BEGIN as a collection of my own thoughts and idle speculations then go from there.

I don't like Trump going to China, I don't think it a good idea. First, I think it presents a great danger to Trump. Let's begin with the trip. I created a map for this, below:

View attachment 1255803

Here is a map I threw together for several reasons. First of all, DC where Trump left and Beijing where Trump is presumably going are at about the same latitudes. I am guessing that it'll take Air Force One around 14 hours to make the flight. I watched Trump leaving the WH this morning to board Marine One, then caught coverage of him boarding AF1 at Joint Base Andrews. AF1 took off from JBA at around 2;15PM today, so we will say 2:30 for a round number as they probably had to circle around a bit before heading out. By my estimate then, at this time, AF1 should be somewhere over our West coast, over California heading out over the Pacific about now.

The yellow hash marks are an approximation of about where I'd guess AF1 to be for each hour flying time.

The blue numbers underneath are the absolute time by EDT. This means that I would estimate AF1 to arrive in China at Beijing somewhere around 4:30AM tomorrow (Wednesday) morning. But AF1 is also flying westward away from the Sun counteracting the rotation of the Earth, so I tried to correct for this by crude estimation. So even though Trump left at 2:30 EDT from DC and is now leaving or soon to leave continental USA for the ocean, it is still only around 3:30PM local time there.

I tried to estimate the local time by correcting for time zones (13 of them) using a time zone map, and put the local times in red above the line.

The green line is just a rough demarcation showing the IDL (International Date Line).

What all this crap means is that by the time Trump reaches the IDL midway over the Pacific, it'll still only be about an hour local time later than when he left. This is where it gets complicated. I estimated him arriving in Beijing around 5:50 local time. It is around 6:30 in the morning, Wednesday the 13th in Beijing right now, so, that suggests Trump will arrive there around 4:30PM there. My guess was 5:30PM. I tried an air travel app too and inputted the leaving location, destination and travel time too and it also came up with 5:30.

So Trump left around 2:30PM from DC on Tuesday, and will arrive in China around 4:30PM - 5:30PM their time on Wednesday. To put it more strangely, Trump left 2:30 in the afternoon, flew about 13-15 hours, and will land in China at 5:30PM only 3 hours later in the day, but a day later.

So around 1:30AM tomorrow morning EDT, TRump will be flying over Japan, and about an hour later, will be crossing over S. Korea. Since Trump will be arriving in China late afternoon their time, it'll still feel like 4:30AM to his body (jet lag), so I would guess that Trump will arrive in Beijing about 10 hours from now, will be greeted, then probably have dinner and get some rest, and the official two day summit between him and Jinping will begin the next say.

SO, WHAT IS MY POINT?

My point being that this trip was publicly announced weeks in advance. If I can figure all of this crap out just goofing around, can you imagine what someone might figure out if they had serious bad intentions for the president? China is our biggest enemy. I think it was wrong for Trump to go there, it makes him look like a supplicant. Jinping should be coming here (he's supposed to later this year), or at the very least, both Trump and Xi should meet somewhere neutral--- like maybe New Zealand. I do not believe in accidents and a lot of people in China have accidents. I hope AF1 is being protected by a squad of fighter jets and I hope Trump has protection there out the wazoo.

One last point: something like 30 business leaders went with Trump, some of the richest men in the world like Elon Musk, so I presume a big part of Trump's trip will involve using business as leverage to try to finagle his way with Xi.

The only problem is that is not the flight path, which uses a great circle route. It allows them to fly north in a straight line cutting the distance significantly. The actual flight path is more likely over Alaska and down across Japan. All flights do this.

To find the great circle route from Andrews AFB to Beijing, follow these steps:

1. Use an online great circle calculator to input the coordinates of Andrews AFB and Beijing.
2. Access a mapping tool like Google Maps or a specialized aviation map.
3. Plot the coordinates of Andrews AFB (38.8103° N, 76.8661° W) and Beijing (39.9042° N, 116.4074° E).
4. Draw a line connecting the two points to visualize the great circle route.
5. Note any waypoints or airways along the route for navigation purposes.
6. Consider factors like weather and air traffic when planning the flight path.

 

[candycorn]

He's is going because he believes he is a Great Deal Maker.

When/If he allows (through such deal) for China to come on American Soil and build Chinese Plants, on American Soil, will you LOVE this "Deal" when trump tries to tell you he made a Trillion Dollar Deal with China?

All trump sees is " $1 Trillion Deal." regardless of the damage to America.

"The greatest deal ever" will be announced whether he gets off the plane or not; whether he negotiates with anyone or not...hell whether he actually speaks to someone or not. I'm sure the press release is already written.

He's going to distract from the Iran war...which was started to distract from the failed domestic agenda/Epstein files.

 

[candycorn]

What illegal war? there is nothing illegal about Iran if that is what you speak of, you've been really sucking down the purple grape Koolaid, Skye, and most of it sounds very leftwing.

Quit following this internet crap and spend a little time getting some accurate news. Try Newsmax and NTD News for starters.

Soon you'll be the only disciple at the table.

 

[candycorn]

Defeat in Iran? We have kicked their ass. We own them. We have only stopped short to give them a chance to do the right thing and save their civilian population further hardship. Why do you waste your time with horseshit?

How much more would the price of gas be had we not "kicked their ass"?

 

[candycorn]

Are you dumb?

That goes without saying.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One other advantage to my original lateral route is that basically, AF1 doesn't really have to fly anywhere, it is just basically holding itself aloft and more or less just hanging there and letting the Earth rotate beneath them.

Once took off from Louisville KY as the sun came up over the horizon. Flew west to Phoenix AZ. As we were landing about 2 1/2 hours later, the sun was coming up over the horizon. The amount of light never changed the entire trip.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What illegal war? there is nothing illegal about Iran if that is what you speak of, you've been really sucking down the purple grape Koolaid, Skye, and most of it sounds very leftwing.

Quit following this internet crap and spend a little time getting some accurate news. Try Newsmax and NTD News for starters.

Skye is just the latest example of delayed-onset TDS!

 

[TimFitz]

I would have put this in our China folder, but we have none! We have a folder for Iraq and Canada, but none for our biggest adversary? At any rate, this thread will at least BEGIN as a collection of my own thoughts and idle speculations then go from there.

I don't like Trump going to China, I don't think it a good idea. First, I think it presents a great danger to Trump. Let's begin with the trip. I created a map for this, below:

View attachment 1255803

Here is a map I threw together for several reasons. First of all, DC where Trump left and Beijing where Trump is presumably going are at about the same latitudes. I am guessing that it'll take Air Force One around 14 hours to make the flight. I watched Trump leaving the WH this morning to board Marine One, then caught coverage of him boarding AF1 at Joint Base Andrews. AF1 took off from JBA at around 2;15PM today, so we will say 2:30 for a round number as they probably had to circle around a bit before heading out. By my estimate then, at this time, AF1 should be somewhere over our West coast, over California heading out over the Pacific about now.

The yellow hash marks are an approximation of about where I'd guess AF1 to be for each hour flying time.

The blue numbers underneath are the absolute time by EDT. This means that I would estimate AF1 to arrive in China at Beijing somewhere around 4:30AM tomorrow (Wednesday) morning. But AF1 is also flying westward away from the Sun counteracting the rotation of the Earth, so I tried to correct for this by crude estimation. So even though Trump left at 2:30 EDT from DC and is now leaving or soon to leave continental USA for the ocean, it is still only around 3:30PM local time there.

I tried to estimate the local time by correcting for time zones (13 of them) using a time zone map, and put the local times in red above the line.

The green line is just a rough demarcation showing the IDL (International Date Line).

What all this crap means is that by the time Trump reaches the IDL midway over the Pacific, it'll still only be about an hour local time later than when he left. This is where it gets complicated. I estimated him arriving in Beijing around 5:50 local time. It is around 6:30 in the morning, Wednesday the 13th in Beijing right now, so, that suggests Trump will arrive there around 4:30PM there. My guess was 5:30PM. I tried an air travel app too and inputted the leaving location, destination and travel time too and it also came up with 5:30.

So Trump left around 2:30PM from DC on Tuesday, and will arrive in China around 4:30PM - 5:30PM their time on Wednesday. To put it more strangely, Trump left 2:30 in the afternoon, flew about 13-15 hours, and will land in China at 5:30PM only 3 hours later in the day, but a day later.

So around 1:30AM tomorrow morning EDT, TRump will be flying over Japan, and about an hour later, will be crossing over S. Korea. Since Trump will be arriving in China late afternoon their time, it'll still feel like 4:30AM to his body (jet lag), so I would guess that Trump will arrive in Beijing about 10 hours from now, will be greeted, then probably have dinner and get some rest, and the official two day summit between him and Jinping will begin the next say.

SO, WHAT IS MY POINT?

My point being that this trip was publicly announced weeks in advance. If I can figure all of this crap out just goofing around, can you imagine what someone might figure out if they had serious bad intentions for the president? China is our biggest enemy. I think it was wrong for Trump to go there, it makes him look like a supplicant. Jinping should be coming here (he's supposed to later this year), or at the very least, both Trump and Xi should meet somewhere neutral--- like maybe New Zealand. I do not believe in accidents and a lot of people in China have accidents. I hope AF1 is being protected by a squad of fighter jets and I hope Trump has protection there out the wazoo.

One last point: something like 30 business leaders went with Trump, some of the richest men in the world like Elon Musk, so I presume a big part of Trump's trip will involve using business as leverage to try to finagle his way with Xi.

Aircraft on long range flights like that do not go in straight lateral lines. They follow the curvature of the earth.

And, nobody has much faith that Trump won’t f this up, too.

 

[Chuz Life]

He just went and started a war with Iran because Bibi told him to.


"This war violates both U.S. domestic and international law.

The Constitution is very clear that only Congress, not the president, has the power to declare war. Trump did not even consult with Congress, let alone rely on a congressional declaration of war before launching one against Iran."

Let's ignore the fact that Iran has been warring with the U.S. long before Trump called their bluff (lies) and pulled their punk card.

Did Iran declare war on the US? Here is what Iran’s President said

Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said that the country is in an 'all-out war' with the United States, Israel, and Europe

www.theweek.in

 

[toobfreak]

Here is the original map with a proposed hypothetical polar route added. Of course, it will never look right or be able to be directly compared because of the necessary cartographic distortion of these maps the closer to the poles you get. Penalty for trying to project a sphere onto a flat surface.

If true, Trump is probably over the Sea of Okhotsk about 1000 miles north of Japan right now even as I type this, he is coming in to land in Beijing from the North much like Jolly Fat Santa from the North Pole coming in bearing gifts of joy.

Him and over a dozen big-wigs in the business industry. Hopefully, they are all ready to tell Uncle Xi that unless China comes to terms with Donald big time, they will be pulling all of their manufacturing out of China because cousin Donald has made them an offer to relocate back to the USA too good to refuse.

 

[drudge X]

Hilarious watching leftists cheering for China even before Trump leaving the country.

 

[drudge X]

How much more would the price of gas be had we not "kicked their ass"?

High gas price is good for the environment.

 

[sparky]

Him and over a dozen big-wigs in the business industry. Hopefully, they are all ready to tell Uncle Xi that unless China comes to terms with Donald big time, they will be pulling all of their manufacturing out of China because cousin Donald has made them an offer to relocate back to the USA too good to refuse.

That Trump and his bigwigs would need to visit China personally implies something big is happening .......i'm of the opinion all conflict has economic roots, which potus Trump is going to use as a bludgeon in a very public manner

This is big.......

~S~

 

[Unkotare]

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So around 1:30AM tomorrow morning EDT, TRump will be flying over Japan, and about an hour later, will be crossing over S. Korea. Since Trump will be arriving in China late afternoon their time, it'll still feel like 4:30AM to his body (jet lag)...

Jet lag is much worse coming back from China than going to. Plus, there is a big, comfy bed on Air Force One and no doubt lots of people to help keep him on his usual sleep cycle.