Trump Is On His Way To China, Is That Good?

China is interested in economics as they need a lot of money to feed their people. This war in Iran has disrupted China's 20% oil they were getting from Iran. They desperately need less chaos in the region. They don't give a rip about Iran's and Israel's conflicts and beefs.

IMO, Trump's strategy is to tell Xi if he helps us in eliminating the IRGC from the straits, return to normal and China's economy will benefit.
He's absolutely going to be looking to make some kind of deal that will help him get out of it and hopefully get rid of the irgc and free the Iranian people

The Middle East could sure use a secular country
Israel doesn't count.. it's gay and satanic
 
He just went and started a war with Iran because Bibi told him to.
Now, c'mon, skye, we both know no one really knows that, so don't try to hit me with that unless you actually have the proof. Maybe ten people in this world really KNOW the actual seeds of this war. Yeah, it helped Netanyahu out a lot, but Israel sure contributed a lot (the kind of help I would have hoped had freely come from our NATO Allies) I would bet that he has paid or made promise to pay the USA back big time for this help in the future too, meantime, all indicators are that Iran was smokin' for a fight, loaded for bear, and had we waited much longer, we might never have been able to topple these bastards off balance! Look at what the bastards are doing now to their neighbors and the entire region.

This war violates both U.S. domestic and international law.
OK... which ones. Name one.

The Constitution is very clear that only Congress, not the president, has the power to declare war.
What war? Trump has declared no war. We are under no attack nor do we have combat troops anywhere in Iran. He was strictly acting according to the War Powers Act of 1973 which IS the law written into law by Congress.

Trump did not even consult with Congress, let alone rely on a congressional declaration of war before launching one against Iran.
OK. Sure. So what? What's the beef? What does it /personally/ cost you? First of all, he does not need to consult with Congress under the War Powers Act, and we both know that had he done so, democrats would have leaked it to Iran, and Trump could not have come in and decapitated the top 50 governmental, military and scientific leaders of the country the first day. And unlike Iraq, this was not an international coalition effort, so did not need to involve the UN.

Yeah, I get it, no one wants nor was expecting war. War is expensive, war is misery and death. War is something to be avoided, by all except apparently these leaders in Iran who are hell bent on seeking war because they are doing everything to GET a war and nothing to avoid a war! And Iran has been COUNTING on your abhorrence of war in order to win hoping you'd back down first. All they need to do is hunker down until you people get disgusted, give up and go away. But far better we do this now than face another 9/11, or even worse, a nuclear 9/11.

If Trump were to back out now, it would be far worse than had he done nothing at all, so we are committed, if we cannot defeat Iran and defuse their terroristic proclivities, we will be the laughing jackasses. No one will ever take America serious again. And just think, if Trump gets Iran's ducks in order, settles the M.E. down, he will go into the Pantheon of Presidents.

Skye, I love you, but think; I know you've been hammered for your views but it is a moot point now. We HAVE to make Iran kowtow to our demands of nuclear disarmament and and end to all militarization of the public waterways of the Strait which they have clearly spent many years militarizing.

An 'Illegal' war? Think--- how is ANY war ever "legal?" A country can write its laws any way it wants to justify, legalize, or criminalize anything it wants, look what we did to the Indians. This is a legal war. It is legal so long as the government /says/ it is legal, and it will stop being "illegal" the day after it is over and gas prices fall and the economy goes back to normal.

ITMT, this trip to China will be very telling. What REALLY matters in all of this will be whether President Trump can actually somehow parley his way through this and wheel and deal the USA into a much stronger position while at the same time dealing China some serious setbacks.

Like it or not, Trump is fighting for the long-term viability of this country, not a year down the road or even 5, but maybe 50 or 100.
 
Here is the original map with a proposed hypothetical polar route added. Of course, it will never look right or be able to be directly compared because of the necessary cartographic distortion of these maps the closer to the poles you get. Penalty for trying to project a sphere onto a flat surface.

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If true, Trump is probably over the Sea of Okhotsk about 1000 miles north of Japan right now even as I type this, he is coming in to land in Beijing from the North much like Jolly Fat Santa from the North Pole coming in bearing gifts of joy. :SMILEW~130:

Him and over a dozen big-wigs in the business industry. Hopefully, they are all ready to tell Uncle Xi that unless China comes to terms with Donald big time, they will be pulling all of their manufacturing out of China because cousin Donald has made them an offer to relocate back to the USA too good to refuse.
No way Air Force One will fly over Russia or North Korea.
 
How much more would the price of gas be had we not "kicked their ass"?

What does an EV car driver like you care? Don't you love your planet? You have no need of oil, remember in 2020 Joe Biden PROMISED to put the oil industry out of business! Save the Flowers. 🌻

Thy will be done. You can thank me later.
 
What does an EV car driver like you care? Don't you love your planet? You have no need of oil, remember in 2020 Joe Biden PROMISED to put the oil industry out of business!

Thy will be done. You can thank me later.
So you have no answers....no surprise.

Remember back when you could argue effectively for your blob and try to make a case that he had some idea what he was doing?

I guess those days are long gone.

BTW...did you see the Times article pointing out that 30 of 33 rocket launchers Iran has along the Strait are still there?

"The Trump administration’s public portrayal of a shattered Iranian military is sharply at odds with what U.S. intelligence agencies are telling policymakers behind closed doors, according to classified assessments from early this month that show Iran has regained access to most of its missile sites, launchers and underground facilities.

Most alarming to some senior officials is evidence that Iran has restored operational access to 30 of the 33 missile sites it maintains along the Strait of Hormuz, which could threaten American warships and oil tankers transiting the narrow waterway."


Turns out the blob has been lying to us all along....

But that is no surprise to most of us.
 
That Trump and his bigwigs would need to visit China personally implies something big is happening ......

I sure hope so, Spark. I can just imagine the MILLIONS of dollars this trip is really costing the USA. Remember what a big deal it was when Nixon first visited the Red Chinese back in the 1970s! I will be very disappointed if Trump comes home this time right now in the middle of current goings-on with nothing better than his little Willie in his right hand...
 
All the billionaires Trump is traveling with are ALL HEAVILY INVOLVED in A/I.....this trip is about Artificial Intelligence??
 
I sure hope so, Spark. I can just imagine the MILLIONS of dollars this trip is really costing the USA. Remember what a big deal it was when Nixon first visited the Red Chinese back in the 1970s! I will be very disappointed if Trump comes home this time right now in the middle of current goings-on with nothing better than his little Willie in his right hand...
China misses their 20% oil from Iran. There economy is taking a hit. Xi is gonna have to get his head right. It's all about the oil and separating it's free flow from the IRGC. China could help, all they care about is the economics.
 
China misses their 20% oil from Iran. There economy is taking a hit. Xi is gonna have to get his head right. It's all about the oil and separating it's free flow from the IRGC. China could help, all they care about is the economics.

They are trying to run oil into China by rail car now. Too funny, earlier someone floated a video of some jackass colonel claiming China had no need of oil, that it could make all the oil it needed from reprocessed coal, and could live indefinitely on stored oil.

Must be why China is trying to sneak oil in from Iran now by rail car! It costs 40% more that way and the rail line can only handle 6% of the volume normally handled by tankers.

:auiqs.jpg:
 
That was from ISIS you bunghole. They all fled to escape the destruction of ISIS. And you assholes have been sucking up those immigrants like gravy! What has stopped you from turning them away, jackass?
Fear of being called "Islamaphobic". :aargh:
 
Now, c'mon, skye, we both know no one really knows that, so don't try to hit me with that unless you actually have the proof. Maybe ten people in this world really KNOW the actual seeds of this war.
Good to see you're having a doubt about the reasons presented.

Yeah, it helped Netanyahu out a lot, but Israel sure contributed a lot (the kind of help I would have hoped had freely come from our NATO Allies) I would bet that he has paid or made promise to pay the USA back big time for this help in the future too, meantime, all indicators are that Iran was smokin' for a fight, loaded for bear, and had we waited much longer, we might never have been able to topple these bastards off balance! Look at what the bastards are doing now to their neighbors and the entire region.
Oh? What are they going to "pay the USA back big time" with? They have essentially no exports to raise capital. Their GDP is equal to North Carolina's.


What war? Trump has declared no war.
He can't delcare war.

We are under no attack nor do we have combat troops anywhere in Iran. He was strictly acting according to the War Powers Act of 1973 which IS the law written into law by Congress.
US Vessels have been attacked numerous times and we're conducting combat operations

OK. Sure. So what? What's the beef? What does it /personally/ cost you? First of all, he does not need to consult with Congress under the War Powers Act, and we both know that had he done so, democrats would have leaked it to Iran, and Trump could not have come in and decapitated the top 50 governmental, military and scientific leaders of the country the first day. And unlike Iraq, this was not an international coalition effort, so did not need to involve the UN.

Yeah, I get it, no one wants nor was expecting war. War is expensive, war is misery and death. War is something to be avoided, by all except apparently these leaders in Iran who are hell bent on seeking war because they are doing everything to GET a war and nothing to avoid a war! And Iran has been COUNTING on your abhorrence of war in order to win hoping you'd back down first. All they need to do is hunker down until you people get disgusted, give up and go away. But far better we do this now than face another 9/11, or even worse, a nuclear 9/11.
Exactly the same bullsh!t Bush and Cheney fed us before going into Iraq. And we're still there.

If Trump were to back out now, it would be far worse than had he done nothing at all, so we are committed, if we cannot defeat Iran and defuse their terroristic proclivities, we will be the laughing jackasses. No one will ever take America serious again. And just think, if Trump gets Iran's ducks in order, settles the M.E. down, he will go into the Pantheon of Presidents.
Now that's funny. Defeating a backwards nation like Iran will do nothing to embolden your blob's claim to greatness. It's Iran. And he doesn't have a clue of what he is doing.

Skye, I love you, but think; I know you've been hammered for your views but it is a moot point now. We HAVE to make Iran kowtow to our demands of nuclear disarmament and and end to all militarization of the public waterways of the Strait which they have clearly spent many years militarizing.

An 'Illegal' war? Think--- how is ANY war ever "legal?" A country can write its laws any way it wants to justify, legalize, or criminalize anything it wants, look what we did to the Indians. This is a legal war. It is legal so long as the government /says/ it is legal, and it will stop being "illegal" the day after it is over and gas prices fall and the economy goes back to normal.

ITMT, this trip to China will be very telling. What REALLY matters in all of this will be whether President Trump can actually somehow parley his way through this and wheel and deal the USA into a much stronger position while at the same time dealing China some serious setbacks.
LOL... sure.

When he claims he has done the above...what will be the signs that it ACTUALLY happened?

China increased exports last year despite our tariffs.

Like it or not, Trump is fighting for the long-term viability of this country, not a year down the road or even 5, but maybe 50 or 100.
LOL...sure.
 
They are trying to run oil into China by rail car now. Too funny, earlier someone floated a video of some jackass colonel claiming China had no need of oil, that it could make all the oil it needed from reprocessed coal, and could live indefinitely on stored oil.

Must be why China is trying to sneak oil in from Iran now by rail car! It costs 40% more that way and the rail line can only handle 6% of the volume normally handled by tankers.

:auiqs.jpg:
IMO, If Xi makes a deal, there will not be much fanfare. It will just happen.
 
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Trump Is On His Way To China, Is That Good?​


It's VERY good ... if he remains there. And our "biggest adversary" is Washington D.C. and Israel.
 
Got a link?
I have an A/I synopsis....

Yes, several major AI Titans are traveling with Trump to China. While initial reports suggested some might stay home, the final group includes the most influential figures in the field:
Elon Musk (Tesla/xAI): Traveling as a lead advisor and executive.
Jensen Huang (Nvidia): A last-minute addition who joined the flight during a stopover in Alaska.

Tim Cook (Apple) and Dina Powell McCormick (Meta): Representing major consumer AI interests.

Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron) and Cristiano Amon (Qualcomm): Key leaders in the hardware and semiconductor space essential for AI.

Is the trip mostly about AI?

Not entirely.
While AI is a massive part of the agenda—specifically regarding export controls and safety standards—the trip is a broad "all-of-industry" mission.

The delegation also includes leaders from Boeing (seeking aircraft orders),

Cargill (agriculture),

and major banks like Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan.

The primary goals are split between:

High-Tech: Negotiating the future of AI and chip restrictions.

Traditional Trade: Securing multi-billion dollar deals for planes, energy, and soybeans to reduce the trade deficit.
Geopolitics: Addressing the economic impact of the conflict in Iran and regional stability.
 
I have an A/I synopsis....

Yes, several major AI Titans are traveling with Trump to China. While initial reports suggested some might stay home, the final group includes the most influential figures in the field:
Elon Musk (Tesla/xAI): Traveling as a lead advisor and executive.
Jensen Huang (Nvidia): A last-minute addition who joined the flight during a stopover in Alaska.

Tim Cook (Apple) and Dina Powell McCormick (Meta): Representing major consumer AI interests.

Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron) and Cristiano Amon (Qualcomm): Key leaders in the hardware and semiconductor space essential for AI.

Is the trip mostly about AI?

Not entirely.
While AI is a massive part of the agenda—specifically regarding export controls and safety standards—the trip is a broad "all-of-industry" mission.

The delegation also includes leaders from Boeing (seeking aircraft orders),

Cargill (agriculture),

and major banks like Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan.

The primary goals are split between:

High-Tech: Negotiating the future of AI and chip restrictions.

Traditional Trade: Securing multi-billion dollar deals for planes, energy, and soybeans to reduce the trade deficit.
Geopolitics: Addressing the economic impact of the conflict in Iran and regional stability.
Correct me if i'm off C4All, but isn't AI going to push oil out as fiat?

~S~
 
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