Trump has not WON the war. He has given Iran new ammunition/war tools that they did not have before

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I'm gonna call BS on this thread....
Just last year you were extolling the virtues of Iran and how good life was going to be when they conquered everyone with China and Russia.

So what gives now?
what are you talking about? I never was "extolling" the Virtues of those countries. I was stating a fact that China and Russia were throwing support to Iran. I never said that they would do anything about it. I only mentioned the dangers of that.

As far as this OP. prove that it is BS. It is easy to "say" things but they only mean something when you have the ability to prove the words.
 
OK
I'm gonna call BS on this thread....
Just last year you were extolling the virtues of Iran and how good life was going to be when they conquered everyone with China and Russia.

So what gives now?
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The problem you have is the elected leader was assassinated, and the new guy took over immediately.

Kinda like he was in on it.

Funny thing that.
Yeah - like Kennedy was assassinated and pro-Israel LBJ took over immediately - come on.

BTW - Ali Razmara was succeeded by Hossein Ala' on March 13th 1951 after the assassination on March 7th, and not by Mossaddegh, who was toppled by the UK and the CIA.
 
Yeah - like Kennedy was assassinated and pro-Israel LBJ took over immediately - come on.

BTW - Ali Razmara was succeeded by Hossein Ala' on March 13th 1951 after the assassination on March 7th, and not by Mossaddegh, who was toppled by the UK and the CIA.
Are you a conspiracy theorist, Kruska, taking a piece of the puzzle as the whole puzzle?
 
According to CNN, this is the MoU signed digitally by President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Iranian parliamentary speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf on Sunday. (However, given both the US and Iranians’ secrecy around the language, it remains unclear whether the draft text shared with CNN will reflect the exact wording of the final document due to be signed in person on Friday in Switzerland. Technical details are also being finalized so the wording could still shift.)

(the $300 billion for Iranian reconstruction will be provided by oil-producing Gulf countries)

Below is the text in full:

1 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.

2 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.

3 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.

4 — Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.

5 — Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.

6 — The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, while ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.

7 — The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.

8 — The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.

9 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.

10 — The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.

11 — The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.

12 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.

13 — Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.

14 — The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.
Trick or Treaty? Or Trick Treaty?
 
Are you a conspiracy theorist, Kruska, taking a piece of the puzzle as the whole puzzle?
If you would read carefully you would understand, that for someone claiming that Mossaddegh was involved in assassinating Ali Razmara, is as far fetched as claiming Kennedy was assassinated, so that a pro-Israel guy like LBJ could take over.
 
If you would read carefully you would understand, that for someone claiming that Mossaddegh was involved in assassinating Ali Razmara, is as far fetched as claiming Kennedy was assassinated, so that a pro-Israel guy like LBJ could take over.
If you want to peddle a conspiracy theory regarding Kennedy and LBJ - you can join those existing threads.
 
what are you talking about? I never was "extolling" the Virtues of those countries. I was stating a fact that China and Russia were throwing support to Iran. I never said that they would do anything about it. I only mentioned the dangers of that.

As far as this OP. prove that it is BS. It is easy to "say" things but they only mean something when you have the ability to prove the words.
Well, except they didn't!
 
Of course.

Now Iran is a bigger player. They've been planning this for DECADES.
Really? For decades the regime has been planning to be attacked while it was negotiating with its belligerant? How do you come to that conclusion?

Perhaps your ideas should be on the Conspiracy Theories board.
 
Really? For decades the regime has been planning to be attacked while it was negotiating with its belligerant? How do you come to that conclusion?

Perhaps your ideas should be on the Conspiracy Theories board.
What Iran has done is take a bad situation and gained knowledge about how to fight this war in the future for their advantage. The Strait of Hormuz and the economies of the world depending on Oil to hold up.

What Trump has done is not realize/understand that the way he fought this war, he had gave Iran a new advantage.

This is why when you do anything against other nations, you need to get advice from other people (not do it simply because you think you know best).
 
What Iran has done is take a bad situation and gained knowledge about how to fight this war in the future for their advantage. The Strait of Hormuz and the economies of the world depending on Oil to hold up.

What Trump has done is not realize/understand that the way he fought this war, he had gave Iran a new advantage.

This is why when you do anything against other nations, you need to get advice from other people (not do it simply because you think you know best).
There have been some scathing articles on this debacle of Trump's in The Atlantic over the past few days.

Still he has now achieved his legacy, although it is not the one by which he wishes to be remembered.
 
Gets to talk to who? I hate this obfuscation crap…
Then ask for information in a context that makes sense.

You play one upsmanship with me, and I will kick you into the bleachers.
 
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What Iran has done is take a bad situation and gained knowledge about how to fight this war in the future for their advantage. The Strait of Hormuz and the economies of the world depending on Oil to hold up.

What Trump has done is not realize/understand that the way he fought this war, he had gave Iran a new advantage.

This is why when you do anything against other nations, you need to get advice from other people (not do it simply because you think you know best).
Wow, how’d they get all those loaded tankers out under Irans nose then?
 
Then ask for information in a context that makes sense.

You play one upsmanship with me, and I will kick you into the bleachers.
Your self inflated ego aside, maybe you should explain what you’re saying….
 
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