Trump has not WON the war. He has given Iran new ammunition/war tools that they did not have before

[Luckyone]

Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:

• The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
• Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
• Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective

2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:

• Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
• Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
• Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.

Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

 

[Mac1958]

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

Of course.

Now Iran is a bigger player. They've been planning this for DECADES. They knew they'd get stuff blown up. They had a full succession plan already in place. They fully planned to attack other ME countries to put the heat on us. They fully planned to close the Strait as their ace in the hole.

They just had to wait for an American President who was stupid and uninformed enough to fall for Bebe's pitch.

They should be sending American voters a big ol' batch of Thank You cards.

 

[Senior]

As expected, Netanyahu used Trump like a 25¢ whore.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Trump nor we won anything. We just gave itan and the mullahs 300 billion, four months after telling the citizens that help was on the way. Unacceptable.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:

• The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
• Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
• Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective

2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:

• Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
• Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
• Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.

Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

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"AI Overview" = Fake News







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[j-mac]

I think, as many Trump supporters believe, we didn’t finish the job yet, we’ll have to see what comes out of negotiations for the final deal.

 

[j-mac]

Trump nor we won anything. We just gave itan and the mullahs 300 billion, four months after telling the citizens that help was on the way. Unacceptable.

We didn’t give shit.

 

[Spaniard22]

Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.


Once the US navy leaves the area, who will prevent Iran from using Hormuz to blackmail the world? No one. Their proxies already controlled Bab el-Mandeb, another critical maritime chokepoint, for two years. If Israel keeps occupying and striking Lebanon for years, and i have no doubt it will, the strait of Hormuz will not return to normal.

​

 

[ColonelAngus]

You commies love the war and want it to never end.

 

[Senior]

The American Congress, citizens, and press won't find out what is actually contained in the US/Iran Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) until after it is signed on Friday 6/19.

In other words, a Trumpian fait accompli.

 

[jacksonlamb]

We didn’t give shit.

No regime change.

$300B to Iran.

Iran charging transmit fees in the Strait.

No surrender of enriched uranium.

You are an ass.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:

• The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
• Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
• Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective

2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:

• Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
• Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
• Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.

Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

I stopped reading at let's look at it a liberal's narrative way

 

[westwall]

Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:

• The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
• Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
• Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective

2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:

• Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
• Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
• Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.

Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

Sheesh you peddle a lot of BS.

 

[CowboyTed]

Of course.

Now Iran is a bigger player. They've been planning this for DECADES. They knew they'd get stuff blown up. They had a full succession plan already in place. They fully planned to attack other ME countries to put the heat on us. They fully planned to close the Strait as their ace in the hole.

They just had to wait for an American President who was stupid and uninformed enough to fall for Bebe's pitch.

They should be sending American voters a big ol' batch of Thank You cards.

The biggest problem is the Iranian Regime has more control over the country... Only 20% of Iran supported the Regieme before the war. Terhan is very very corrupt and Iranians are pretty well educated... The Regime was close to going...

What should have happened is arming various anti Government force in Iran through proxies, CIA is very good at doing that...

Iran want:
Normalisation relationship especially in trading (i.e. no sanctions)
Investment and expertise in their Oil Industry
Isreal to go back to their 1967 borders (well as much as possible)
A promise that they won't be attacked and assurance that they would be helped if they do get attacked

What they are willing to give:
The Nuclear Program (but still have enough for nuclear power)
Stop supporting and encourage the disarming of Hezbollah, Hamas and Yemen Houthi's...
Might even accept Isreal right to exist

Bibi hates this, very hard having a war when the other side won't join in..

Saudis/MBS don't like this, a Iran without sanctions is a stronger Iran..

There is the main problem, even if Iran held to the deal (big if) would Isreal?

 

[CowboyTed]

The American Congress, citizens, and press won't find out what is actually contained in the US/Iran Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) until after it is signed on Friday 6/19.

In other words, a Trumpian fait accompli.

I see a Hotel and Golf Course in Tehran....

 

[Luckyone]

I stopped reading at let's look at it a liberal's narrative way

I never expect any less from you. Your mind is totally closed to anything negative data about Trump.

Fantasy facts are what you accept.

 

[westwall]

I never expect any less from you. Your mind is totally closed to anything negative data about Trump.

Fantasy facts are what you accept.

Fantasy is all you present.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

I never expect any less from you. Your mind is totally closed to anything negative data about Trump.

Fantasy facts are what you accept.

So says the lib who claims just havin fun Renee Good didn't pose a threat or drive onto law enforcement

 

[Luckyone]

So says the lib who claims just havin fun Renee Good didn't pose a threat or drive onto law enforcement

Prove it! No one has been able to prove that!

Fact Check:

What evidence has been publicly released about the moment of the shooting of Renee Good and how do accounts differ?​

 

[0311]

As expected, Netanyahu used Trump like a 25¢ whore.

No American President has ever did Netanyahood's bidding like 47. BiBi said the right words and stroked 47's ego. This war that BiBi wanted;. Israel and the United States attacking Iran. All 47 has done is tax payer dollars and Iran a stronger player on the world stage.