Trump has not WON the war. He has given Iran new ammunition/war tools that they did not have before

[Nuthin' Fancy]

You idiot, Clinton provided the North Koreans with desperately needed fuel oil that they used to power their nuke centrifuges.


DURRRRRR

As usual.
You're delusional.

DURRR, yourself Q-NUT.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Pretend u have at least 1/4 the honor the uniform in your picture, and answer these questions....
Thread 'A little test what people think in regard to the Renee Good business' A little test what people think in regard to the Renee Good business

U r 2 big a puss though huh jackson?

We all saw her try to get away. The Agent then murdered her.

 

[j-mac]

No regime change.

You’ve been screaming the whole time to get out of Iran…

$300B to Iran.

The supposed $300 billion is from their neighbors, not us stupid.

Iran charging transmit fees in the Strait.

Not going to happen.

No surrender of enriched uranium.

It has to be dug out of a collapsed mountain, could take years to get to…

You are an ass.

And you’re stupid as hell.

 

[j-mac]

Prove it! No one has been able to prove that!

Fact Check:

What evidence has been publicly released about the moment of the shooting of Renee Good and how do accounts differ?​

The agent doesn’t have to prove his innocence…YOU have to prove mal intent.

 

[Senior]

According to CNN, this is the MoU signed digitally by President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Iranian parliamentary speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf on Sunday. (However, given both the US and Iranians’ secrecy around the language, it remains unclear whether the draft text shared with CNN will reflect the exact wording of the final document due to be signed in person on Friday in Switzerland. Technical details are also being finalized so the wording could still shift.)

(the $300 billion for Iranian reconstruction will be provided by oil-producing Gulf countries)

Below is the text in full:

1 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.

2 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.

3 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.

4 — Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.

5 — Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.

6 — The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, while ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.

7 — The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.

8 — The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.

9 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.

10 — The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.

11 — The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.

12 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.

13 — Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.

14 — The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.

 

[jacksonlamb]

The agent doesn’t have to prove his innocence…YOU have to prove mal intent.

He is given an opportunity to speak, yes.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Obama's $24B was the Muslims' own money.

Iran is charging and collecting transmit fees in the Strait right now.

It would take nine months at the most to ge the EU out, and that won't happen.

No regime change.

Trump is surrendering and yes, he has failed again.

Can you even envision the disaster this next election will be for MAGA. The true GOP elements will turn on you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We all saw her try to get away. The Agent then murdered her.

Darwin Awards a bit delayed.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

We all saw her try to get away. The Agent then murdered her.

We is code for your insecurity. Id b insecure too, it's the nature of democrats, same lying 2 everyone including yourself

 

[jacksonlamb]

We is code for your insecurity. Id b insecure too, it's the nature of democrats, same lying 2 everyone including yourself

You are babbling again.

 

[jacksonlamb]

We is code for your insecurity. Id b insecure too, it's the nature of democrats, same lying 2 everyone including yourself

Your insecurity is that you know you can't cover the fact she was unlawfully shot.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Your insecurity is that you know you can't cover the fact she was unlawfully shot.

What do u feel your largest attribute is, dishonesty, cowardly or tardation?

 

[jacksonlamb]

What do u feel your largest attribute is, dishonesty, cowardly or tardation?

I am 100 times the person you are. You can wish to be me all you want, but you are nothing of worth.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

I am 100 times the person you are. You can wish to be me all you want, but you are nothing of worth

I so wish I was a fool and dumb too, how dreamy u r

 

[jacksonlamb]

I so wish I was a fool and dumb too, how dreamy u r

You prove my point.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

You prove my point.

Liberal words r free huh Jacksonlame? You don't believe a word of it either, but u so want 2.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Liberal words r free huh Jacksonlame? You don't believe a word of it either, but u so want 2.

You are utterly lost in TDS.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

You are utterly lost in TDS.

Wow, u think that up all your own?

 

[jacksonlamb]

Wow, u think that up all your own?

You are a sicko Trumpcrip.

 

[JohnDB]

Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:

• The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
• Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
• Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective

2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:

• Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
• Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
• Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.

Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

OK
I'm gonna call BS on this thread....
Just last year you were extolling the virtues of Iran and how good life was going to be when they conquered everyone with China and Russia.

So what gives now?