Trump has not WON the war. He has given Iran new ammunition/war tools that they did not have before

[Conservative from Georgia]

The video proves it you lying POS.

The deal is widely seen as a victory for Iran and capitulation by Trump.

 

[Blaster]

As expected, Netanyahu used Trump like a 25¢ whore.

Nonsense.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Your Orange Boss has surrendered to Iran.

What a neat story

 

[IDIOCRACY]

I personally have watched the video at least 20 times and at no time did I seen Renee targeting the ICE officer. She was only trying to escape/runaway.

Having said that, no one has been ABLE to prove the opposite in a court of law or legally. As such, you are simply giving your personal interpretation of the incident.

End of story!

20 x and still a story 4 u huh?

Well if that don't ring like gutless dishonesty I don't know what does

 

[Luckyone]

20 x and still a story 4 u huh?

Well if that don't ring like gutless dishonesty I don't know what does

Look who is talking? The lord of dishonesty on this board himself!

 

[jacksonlamb]

You idiot, Clinton provided the North Koreans with desperately needed fuel oil that they used to power their nuke centrifuges.


DURRRRRR

Your comment without evidence is worthless. And, no, Clinton did not give them the bomb. That was Bush.

 

[jacksonlamb]

But you don’t actually give a shit. Whatever the final deal is, you’ll tell us it’s amazing and the best ever.

Trump has surrendered, j-mac, is the deal.

 

[jacksonlamb]

20 x and still a story 4 u huh? Well if that don't ring like gutless dishonesty I don't know what does

The dishonestry is all yours, idiot, as she at no time threatened ICE.

 

[Nostra]

Imagine that, another Mullah nut sucking thread by Luckyone

America haters gonna hate.

 

[Nostra]

Look who is talking? The lord of dishonesty on this board himself!

Oh the irony…….

 

[Nostra]

The deal is widely seen as a victory for Iran and capitulation by Trump.

Only by America hating imbeciles like you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:

• The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
• Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
• Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective

2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:

• Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
• Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
• Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.

Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

Correct.

And as a consequence of Trump’s incompetence Iran has the advantage and an emboldened, militant Iranian regime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Correct.

And as a consequence of Trump’s incompetence Iran has the advantage and an emboldened, militant Iranian regime.

All their weapons and weapons plants we destroyed made them stronger?

 

[Mashmont]

Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:

• The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
• Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
• Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective

2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:

• Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
• Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
• Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.

Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

Of course.

Now Iran is a bigger player. They've been planning this for DECADES. They knew they'd get stuff blown up. They had a full succession plan already in place. They fully planned to attack other ME countries to put the heat on us. They fully planned to close the Strait as their ace in the hole.

They just had to wait for an American President who was stupid and uninformed enough to fall for Bebe's pitch.

They should be sending American voters a big ol' batch of Thank You cards.

Wow. Talk about alternate universes, the TDS is strong on this one.

First, you got 0bama out there saying this deal is the same as his deal. No it's not. Iran has zero chance of ever resurrecting their nuclear program again. 0bama let them enrich after ten years, which would be now. 0bama gave them over a billion taxpayer dollars up front for signing the deal from an old arms deal, then $400 million for signing in exchange for hostages. NOTHING was performance based. Trump's deal involved zero taxpayer dollars. Iran get get to a fund created by gulf allies ONLY if Iran meets requirements along the way. Trump's deal involves zero possibility for future enrichment. The incompetent 0bama made about the worst deal imaginable. Trump went in there, did the dirty work, and got us a proper deal.

 

[struth]

Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:

• The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
• Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
• Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective

2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:

• Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
• Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
• Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.

Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

The spin by the losers is hilarious! Haha none of your propaganda is gonna bring your dead allies back

 

[struth]

The deal is widely seen as a victory for Iran and capitulation by Trump.

By who?

 

[struth]

Correct.

And as a consequence of Trump’s incompetence Iran has the advantage and an emboldened, militant Iranian regime.

Adventure to do what?

 

[citygator]

Whoops...

 

[citygator]