Trump has not WON the war. He has given Iran new ammunition/war tools that they did not have before

The biggest problem is the Iranian Regime has more control over the country... Only 20% of Iran supported the Regieme before the war. Terhan is very very corrupt and Iranians are pretty well educated... The Regime was close to going...

What should have happened is arming various anti Government force in Iran through proxies, CIA is very good at doing that...

Iran want:
Normalisation relationship especially in trading (i.e. no sanctions)
Investment and expertise in their Oil Industry
Isreal to go back to their 1967 borders (well as much as possible)
A promise that they won't be attacked and assurance that they would be helped if they do get attacked

What they are willing to give:
The Nuclear Program (but still have enough for nuclear power)
Stop supporting and encourage the disarming of Hezbollah, Hamas and Yemen Houthi's...
Might even accept Isreal right to exist

Bibi hates this, very hard having a war when the other side won't join in..

Saudis/MBS don't like this, a Iran without sanctions is a stronger Iran..

There is the main problem, even if Iran held to the deal (big if) would Isreal?
Yeah, Bebe knows this is his one and only chance, and it won't be a surprise if he mucks things up for Trump. He suckered Trump into screwing up once, but that was probably it. No doubt Trump is warning him to stand down, but it's tough to imagine he will.

And remember when Trump first starting blowing stuff up? He stupidly urged the Iranian people to rise up? HOW, exactly??? That was his brilliant plan. That showed an abject IGNORANCE of the way things work over there.

I wonder how many Generals and intelligence officers (at least those who remain, anyway) tried in vain to warn someone about this stupid goddamn move.
 
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Whiny liberals will never give Trump credit for anything. These are the facts of life.
 
You could watch the video, though obviously u don't have the stomach for it cuz your wife hid your balls in a pill bottle

Left are like that spoiled kindergartener who doesn't seem to know the difference between their dramatics and reality. The difference being these children are an anomaly and have opportunity to mature.
 
Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:
  • The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
  • Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
  • Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective
2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:
  • Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
  • Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
  • Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.
Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.

Agreed

But we have the technology to solve that problem

Directed Energy weapons if deployed in sufficient numbers can keep the straight open
 
Let us look at this the way it is.

1) Iran has now realized that they have a lot of power by using the Strait of Hormuz (closing it), which causes "worldwide" negatives occurring.
2) Trump and Netanyahu threw everything they had at Iran and they are still alive and being able to affect the world
3) Trump cabinet members, as well as loyal supporters, have begun to doubt Trump. In fact, Radcliff, Hegseth, and Rubio doubting the Iran deal.
4) Trump goes against Netanyahu (criticizes him) for not doing what Trump asked him to do with this war, thus creating a possible rift with Israel.

Links or info

1) AI Overview


Rahm Emanuel has voiced strong criticism of the recent U.S.-Iran conflict and the subsequent peace deal, arguing that the U.S. squandered its leverage.
Key points from his recent commentary include:
  • The "Nuclear Option" & Lost Leverage: Emanuel has repeatedly argued that the U.S. entered the conflict to degrade Iran's nuclear capabilities but failed to foresee that Iran held a major trump card: control over the Strait of Hormuz. He described this as a self-inflicted strategic blunder where the U.S. lost power and was forced to ease restrictions to stabilize the global energy supply.
  • Better Prior Offers Ignored: Emanuel highlighted that the administration had a diplomatic offer from Iran that was far superior to the original 2015 JCPOA. By choosing a military conflict, he argued the U.S. made a poor choice that unnecessarily alienated critical Gulf allies who were "shunted aside" during the process. [1, 2]
  • Erosion of Moral Authority: Emanuel asserted that the U.S. lost diplomatic and moral standing. He contrasted the U.S. approach—which he characterized as posturing and escalating threats without clear geopolitical objective
2) AI Overview


The U.S. and Israel executed massive joint bombing campaigns, notably during the Twelve-Day War and Operation Epic Fury, significantly degrading Iranian infrastructure, assassinating Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and destroying nuclear sites. However, Iran's fundamental state structures and underground nuclear sites survived, prompting the U.S. to pursue diplomatic agreements rather than attempting a total regime collapse.

The survival and resilience of the Iranian state through these extensive bombings can be attributed to several key factors highlighted by defense experts and intelligence assessments:
  • Deeply Fortified Facilities: Many of Iran's primary nuclear operations, such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant and the Natanz Nuclear Facility, are built deep underground or inside mountains. Despite utilizing massive ordnance penetrators, parts of Iran's enriched uranium stockpiles and sensitive equipment survived.
  • Decentralized and Hidden Assets: While American and Israeli strikes successfully destroyed major command centers and airfields, Iran's missile launch capabilities and proxy networks (such as Hezbollah) were largely decentralized, enabling continuous counter-attacks against U.S. bases in the Gulf and targets in Israel.
  • Asymmetric Retaliation: Instead of standing conventional ground, Iran leveraged asymmetric warfare, including drone strikes, naval positioning in the Strait of Hormuz, and attacks on allied Gulf states, which quickly resulted in severe global energy and economic concerns, forcing rapid ceasefires.
Consequently, military strategists and analysts on LessCredibleDefence largely agree that while the campaigns inflicted severe physical and leadership damage, they did not entirely dismantle Iran's military and regional threat capabilities. [1]

3)
From Hegseth to Rubio, even Trump’s top team doubts Iran deal, report says

4)

Considering these facts, Trump has not notched a win, it is a loss.

More Trump Incompetence?

Yup. On point.

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You could watch the video.

Left are like that spoiled kindergartener who doesn't seem to know the difference between their dramatics and reality. The difference being these children are an anomaly and have opportunity to mature.
I personally have watched the video at least 20 times and at no time did I seen Renee targeting the ICE officer. She was only trying to escape/runaway.

Having said that, no one has been ABLE to prove the opposite in a court of law or legally. As such, you are simply giving your personal interpretation of the incident.

End of story!
 
We didn't sell Iran weapons.
We didn't try to overthrow the US government.
We aren't conspiring to fix the midterm elections.

That would be you snowflake LOSERS.
North Korea has nukes thanks to Clinton, moron.
 
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As usual, you're FOS.

North Korea dropped out of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003. By 2006, it had conducted its first nuclear test.

Who was president, MORON?
You idiot, Clinton provided the North Koreans with desperately needed fuel oil that they used to power their nuke centrifuges.


DURRRRRR
 
I think, as many Trump supporters believe, we didn’t finish the job yet, we’ll have to see what comes out of negotiations for the final deal.
But you don’t actually give a shit. Whatever the final deal is, you’ll tell us it’s amazing and the best ever.
 
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