Trump erupts: Macron said that Europe build its own military in order to protect itself from the US

[Lesh]

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

What?

Do you stupidly think there are DUES for NATO members?

There are not.

We require that NATO members SPEND 2% of their GDP on THEIR military/ THAT is what France is attempting to do here.

Jesus people.

 

[baileyn45]

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

What?

Do you stupidly think there are DUES for NATO members?

There are not.

We require that NATO members SPEND 2% of their GDP on THEIR military/ THAT is what France is attempting to do here.

Jesus people.

The subject was about Macron and others calling for an EU army, not NATO dues.

 

[rightwinger]

They are NOT doing it yet. They have a goal to reach 2% by 2024.

Why do you lie?

An EU army will be used against the people of Europe, period.

Hey dumbasses.

Trump is demanding that they spend more on defense (in other words beef up their military) and that is what France is doing.

Trump is now whining about them doing what he demanded they do and you dolts fall right in line behind Trump's insanity

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

Trump has ceded global leadership to Germany in the west and China in the east

Both are considered more stable than the US

 

[Correll]

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

What?

Do you stupidly think there are DUES for NATO members?

There are not.

We require that NATO members SPEND 2% of their GDP on THEIR military/ THAT is what France is attempting to do here.

Jesus people.

No, Trump was responding to Macron suggesting that the US was a threat to Europe.

 

[rightwinger]

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

What?

Do you stupidly think there are DUES for NATO members?

There are not.

We require that NATO members SPEND 2% of their GDP on THEIR military/ THAT is what France is attempting to do here.

Jesus people.

Not only are their dues...but there is a secret NATO handshake

 

[rightwinger]

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

What?

Do you stupidly think there are DUES for NATO members?

There are not.

We require that NATO members SPEND 2% of their GDP on THEIR military/ THAT is what France is attempting to do here.

Jesus people.

No, Trump was responding to Macron suggesting that the US was a threat to Europe.

Macron was stating that they can no longer rely on the US and are better to cut the US out of future leadership

 

[basquebromance]

Macron is nationalist. its just that his capital is in Brussels, not Paris

 

[Kondor3]

Hey France, next time you're attacked, go suck a bag of dicks

Hilarious. You stayed out of it for years after France was attacked while we spent blood and treasure defending you as you made a fortune supplying the UK.

By "...we spent blood and treasure..." it may be assumed that we have a Brit on our hands, here.

Fine... let's have at it.

For starters, we (the US) "stayed out of it" for two (2) years plus change; from September 1, 1939 to December 7, 1941.

Why? Because you chose to declare war upon Nazi Germany before you were actually ready to conduct war operations.

You were not ready because you let the Germans get ahead of you in one of the most compelling "comeback"stories of the 20th.

You were too cowardly to intervene as a newly-formed Nazi Germany violated one provision of the Treaty of Versailles after another.

You were too cowardly to intervene as a burgeoning Nazi Germany reoccupied the Rhineland and shifted to military industrialization.

You were too cowardly to intervene as Germany enlarged its Army, created an Air Force, revamped its Navy, and built its U-boats.

You were too cowardly to intervene as Germany overran Austria without a shot.

You were cowardly beyond belief in betraying Czechoslovakia and in-denial and delusional that Hitler's word could be trusted.

Pieces of paper and "Peace in our time." - what rot - what idiocy - what cowardice in the face of the enemy !!!

You had the power of Empire behind you then and the vast power of France which, when mobilized, was "formidable" indeed.

You, and the French, failed to measure-up; you hid under your beds for years, until your treaty obligations with Poland forced your hand.

It had been a generation since you fools had last bled yourselves white for no good reason, and we saw you Lose The Peace in short order.

Americans are a sucker for an underdog, but we're not particularly keen on two-time losers whose own cowardice got them into trouble again.

Nevertheless...

We had already begun ramping-up production on a variety of categories of armaments, for our own purposes, and for yours...

Once France fell, we sent you far more (millions of rifles, machine guns, guns, planes, ships) than was safe for us to release for use by others.

And, when you ran out of money, we made other arrangements, to help you continue to defend yourselves.

And that is exactly what you were doing - defending yourselves - not us - let's not have any delusions about how that unfolded.

Mind you, we, too, benefited from your vigorous self-defense, but that was a happy collateral benefit, and not your primary reason for fighting.

Rather, you were fighting for your lives, and to mitigate the impact of a decade of your own stupidity and cowardice; an existential struggle.

We were glad to help... hell, it bought us time, too... good thing for you, as well as us; otherwise, you might be under the German heel today.

Had Hitler not become overly-greedy, too quickly, and launched Barbarossa, you would eventually have been overrun, unless we intervened.

And intervene we did; but we ended-up fighting on two fronts, and we had to supply ourselves, you and the Russians.

That cost us dearly in treasure, and, yeah, we made a shit-load of money eventually in all of this, but we had to commit a vast workforce to it.

So let's not try bullshitting Americans that Britain fought "to defend America"... you got your asses kicked, and were fighting for your lives.

< mic drop >

 

[Lesh]

The subject was about Macron and others calling for an EU army, not NATO dues.

There ARE no NATO dues dumbass.

There is only building up the military of the various nations of NATO members.

That's something Trump has demanded and now is whining about

 

[Kondor3]

...Macron was stating that they can no longer rely on the US and are better to cut the US out of future leadership

Perhaps they and the Germans can unify in some erzatz kind of resurrected Kingdom of the Franks, eh?

As the Lions and the Lambs lie down together in fraternal peace and brotherhood, eh?

The French still have delusions that they're relevant.

 

[Kondor3]

As though the US didn't keep itself in Europe in order to stop the Europeans nuking up to defend themselves thereby keeping the US pre-eminent. US tards, not the sharpest knives in the drawer

This from delusional heirs of dead empires that have spent the past 70 years quivering under the American Shield.

 

[Kondor3]

Macron is nationalist. its just that his capital is in Brussels, not Paris

The Kingdom of the Franks, reuniting East Francia (Germany) and West Francia (France)... and overwhelming Middle Francia.

 

[Kondor3]

As though the US didn't keep itself in Europe in order to stop the Europeans nuking up to defend themselves thereby keeping the US pre-eminent. US tards, not the sharpest knives in the drawer

If they were "tards" for dreaming-up that scheme, what does that say about the "tards" who fell for it, and allowed it to unfold?

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Your entire premise is bullshit, but, just sayin'...

 

[Lesh]

We seem to have a Kondor shitting all over the thread

 

[Kondor3]

We seem to have a Kondor shitting all over the thread

Enjoy.

 

[basquebromance]

The anti-nationalist says that he wants fellow-feeling with all men, but his aim is to leave his countrymen in the ditch and to do so in good conscience. The posited freedom to serve any man comes by dissolving his duty to his neighbors. His tragedy is that once he succeeds in deconstructing national loyalties, he will find that loyalties based on blood or creed come roaring back.

 

[Correll]

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

What?

Do you stupidly think there are DUES for NATO members?

There are not.

We require that NATO members SPEND 2% of their GDP on THEIR military/ THAT is what France is attempting to do here.

Jesus people.

No, Trump was responding to Macron suggesting that the US was a threat to Europe.

Macron was stating that they can no longer rely on the US and are better to cut the US out of future leadership

Macron suggested that the US was a threat to Europe.


That was him being an asshole, and President Trump was right to call him on his bullshit.


That was my post you responded to, and nothing in your post in any way addressed that, because you know it is true.


TRump was in the right this time, to such an extent that your response is to distract from it.


Even a lefty like you, can't bring yourself to lie about it directly.


Till prompted of course.


Now, lie.

 

[rightwinger]

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

What?

Do you stupidly think there are DUES for NATO members?

There are not.

We require that NATO members SPEND 2% of their GDP on THEIR military/ THAT is what France is attempting to do here.

Jesus people.

No, Trump was responding to Macron suggesting that the US was a threat to Europe.

Macron was stating that they can no longer rely on the US and are better to cut the US out of future leadership

Macron suggested that the US was a threat to Europe.


That was him being an asshole, and President Trump was right to call him on his bullshit.


That was my post you responded to, and nothing in your post in any way addressed that, because you know it is true.


TRump was in the right this time, to such an extent that your response is to distract from it.


Even a lefty like you, can't bring yourself to lie about it directly.


Till prompted of course.


Now, lie.

The threat was in not being able to be depended on
Trump is so unstable and so untrustworthy that Europe realizes they need to look elsewhere

 

[Correll]

Paying more for NATO is one thing, a military force who's first targets will most likely be Hungary or Poland is another. Let's face it An EU Army will be controlled by Berlin, hardly an idea that would make Europeans feel better.

What?

Do you stupidly think there are DUES for NATO members?

There are not.

We require that NATO members SPEND 2% of their GDP on THEIR military/ THAT is what France is attempting to do here.

Jesus people.

No, Trump was responding to Macron suggesting that the US was a threat to Europe.

Macron was stating that they can no longer rely on the US and are better to cut the US out of future leadership

Macron suggested that the US was a threat to Europe.


That was him being an asshole, and President Trump was right to call him on his bullshit.


That was my post you responded to, and nothing in your post in any way addressed that, because you know it is true.


TRump was in the right this time, to such an extent that your response is to distract from it.


Even a lefty like you, can't bring yourself to lie about it directly.


Till prompted of course.


Now, lie.

The threat was in not being able to be depended on
Trump is so unstable and so untrustworthy that Europe realizes they need to look elsewhere

Macron specified America as a threat to defend from.


YOu are either ignorant or lying.

 

[Lesh]

Macron specified America as a threat to defend from.

Go check the actual quote.

You have it wrong (or you are lying)