Trump admits documents were not declassified

[MagicMike]

Why the distraction? Biden illegally took and kept classified documents from the Senate and from the White House.

It is not the same case. Not the same situation nor the same circumstances.
Any attempt at "sameness" now or whataboutism ought to be left to the conservo talk radio hacks like Kilmeade, Bongino, and Hannity at this point.
I caught a bit of each of their shows today and of course they are working overtime trying to spin this as a "selective political prosecution," "weaponization of The Justice Department," and blah, blah, blah.
Without even mentioning the powerful indictments or the overwhelming evidence suggesting that the 45th POTUS and perspective 47th POTUS is and was a dire threat to our national security and thus has no business running as a serious or viable presidential candidate in 2024.
At the very least, once found guilty of even a single violation of The Espionage act and/or obstruction of justice in regard to the enforcement of the act, Trump should be sentenced to spend the rest of his natural life in federal prison.
Period. Full stop.
In fact, once found guilty Trump should count his lucky stars he will get to die in prison.
Remember Julius and Ethel Rosenberg?

 

[Rawley]

It is not the same case. Not the same situation nor the same circumstances.
Any attempt at "sameness" now or whataboutism ought to be left to the conservo talk radio hacks like Kilmeade, Bongino, and Hannity at this point.
I caught a bit of each of their shows today and of course they are working overtime trying to spin this as a "selective political prosecution," "weaponization of The Justice Department," and blah, blah, blah.
Without even mentioning the powerful indictments or the overwhelming evidence suggesting that the 45th POTUS and perspective 47th POTUS is and was a dire threat to our national security and thus has no business running as a serious or viable presidential candidate in 2024.
At the very least, once found guilty of even a single violation of The Espionage act and/or obstruction of justice in regard to the enforcement of the act, Trump should be sentenced to spend the rest of his natural life in federal prison.
Period. Full stop.
In fact, once found guilty Trump should count his lucky stars he will get to die in prison.
Remember Julius and Ethel Rosenberg?

When your party has indicted a former President and the leader of the opposition party and has threatened to imprison him until he's dead, you better come up with something a bit more convincing than "But, but, It's different" when members of your party did the same if not worse violations of the same laws and were/are not prosecuted.

 

[MagicMike]

When your party has indicted a former President and the leader of the opposition party and has threatened to imprison him until he's dead, you better come up with something a bit more convincing than "But, but, It's different" when members of your party did the same if not worse violations of the same laws and were/are not prosecuted.

Fuck that!
The ONLY reason The Orange Cat-turd King even announced his bogus "candidacy" so ridiculously early was so that he could fend off the legal troubles his attorneys warned were in store for him by claiming "political persecution."
He plays his cultist MAGAt following like fiddles.
And you ALWAYS swallow it,
Hook, line, and sinker.

 

[lennypartiv]

This smells of a third world country silencing the opposition.

 

[Rawley]

Fuck that!
The ONLY reason The Orange Cat-turd King even announced his bogus "candidacy" so ridiculously early was so that he could fend off the legal troubles his attorneys warned were in store for him by claiming "political persecution."
He plays his cultist MAGAt following like fiddles.
And you ALWAYS swallow it,
Hook, line, and sinker.

I'll take your word on swallowing it. It's clear you've been doing that for years and years.

 

[schmidlap]

Pathetic efforts at contriving fake equivalencies and postpone justice aside, Trump may be afforded the opportunity to refute the damning evidence against him expeditiously.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Special counsel Jack Smith told a federal judge there is "no basis in law or fact" for indefinitely postponing the federal trial of Trump and urged the court to proceed with jury selection in December.​

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In a new court filing, Smith wrote that one of Trump's legal arguments "borders on frivolous" and said there's no evidence that waiting until after the 2024 presidential election would make the process any easier.​

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"The legal issues Defendants raise do not justify deviation from a speedy trial date, much less open-ended deferral of considering one," wrote Smith and assistant special counsel David Harbach.​

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Trump faces dozens of felony charges for willful retention of national security information, including highly classified papers he allegedly stored in a ballroom and a bathroom at his Florida resort. He's also accused of conspiring to obstruct the FBI investigation alongside his valet Walt Nauta, who allegedly moved boxes to evade government scrutiny.​

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[https://www.npr.org/2023/07/13/1187591998/special-counsel-speedy-trial-trumps-documents-case]​

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[rightwinger]

This smells of a third world country silencing the opposition.

Third world countries do not hold their leaders responsible for their actions

Democracies do

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Trump admitted that one document, the plan to invade Iran, was not declassified.
The thread title says "documents".

you just killed his thread.

 

[Rigby5]

Jim Jordan Backs Himself Into Corner Struggling To Defend Trump On Tape

Jordan claimed Trump did declassify material when he was president, apparently contradicting a tape recording of Trump himself.

www.yahoo.com

This is the entire crux of the Trump indictment. They have Trump on tape saying his documents were classified and talking about them to some friends.

All Trump had to do was say they were not classified and everything would be OK, but they have him on tape saying they were classified, therefore, he should not have had them and certainly should not have been talking about them.

So the left goes after him with the Espionage Act created by President Wilson.

The Sedition and Espionage Acts Were Designed to Quash Dissent During WWI | HISTORY

As the United States entered World War I, President Wilson and Congress sought to silence vocal and written opposition to U.S. involvement in the war.

www.history.com

The Espionage Act of 1917 was passed just two months after America entered World War I and was primarily intended by Congress to combat actual espionage on behalf of America’s enemies, like publishing secret U.S. military plans. But federal prosecutors and judges, following Wilson’s lead, fixated on Section 3 of the Espionage Act, which targeted individuals who “willfully cause or attempt to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, [or] refusal of duty” in the military.

In short, Wilson used the Act to squash any public opposition to the war as around 2000 American ended up being jailed for saying things Wilson did not like about the war.

However, the Left will use the Espionage Act like Wilson, expanding it to meet their political goals, even though Trump was not trying to cause insubordination, disloyalty, or mutiny, etc., nor was he trying to sell secrets to enemies of the US. No, Trump was just being stupid, much like Hillary carelessly handled state secrets with her emails on her private server that was hacked repeatedly by enemies of the US government.

The funny part is, Hillary gave state secrets to the enemies of the US as where Trump did not even though both were acting like idiots. yet only Trump will be held accountable.

Then you had Biden who, as Senator, held on to confidential documents that he had no power to declassify, hence it was illegal for him to have. Of course, no one cares about that either.

Total nonsense to try to charge Trump.

The ONLY reason docs are every "declassified" is if you want them released to the public.
If a president wants to share classified docs with anyone, they do not "declassify", but simply give copies to anyone they want, including themselves.
The law says presidents have total and complete discretion over all classified docs, and can do whatever they want with them.

 

[rightwinger]

Total nonsense to try to charge Trump.

The ONLY reason docs are every "declassified" is if you want them released to the public.
If a president wants to share classified docs with anyone, they do not "declassify", but simply give copies to anyone they want, including themselves.
The law says presidents have total and complete discretion over all classified docs, and can do whatever they want with them.

Unfortunately for Crooked Donnie, when he shared that classified information, he was no longer President

 

[Rigby5]

Third world countries do not hold their leaders responsible for their actions

Democracies do

But only third world banana republic try to use bogus charges to prevent free elections.
The law is clear (EO13526), that is it impossible for any president or ex-president to have violated any classified doc laws, as they have total authority and discretion to do whatever they want, (with classified docs made during their administration).

 

[rightwinger]

But only third world banana republic try to use bogus charges to prevent free elections.
The law is clear (EO13526), that is it impossible for any president or ex-president to have violated any classified doc laws, as they have total authority and discretion to do whatever they want, (with classified docs made during their administration).

Actually, it was Trump who tried to overturn a free election
He will go to jail for it

 

[Rigby5]

Unfortunately for Crooked Donnie, when he shared that classified information, he was no longer President

Which is perfectly legal.
When president, he can legally give copies of classified docs to anyone, and all those who receive them then are extended the same executive privilege.
That includes giving copies to himself.
For example, presidents often give classified doc copies to our allies, generals, ambassadors, labs, etc.
Can those copies then be shared at will?
Yes they can.
Legal recipients of classified docs get the same executive privilege as the president has, so then can share them as they wish.

To put this in perspective, imagine a lab is given classified docs by a president.
Several presidents later, that lab will still have and can show those classified docs to any new employee they deem necessary.
That simply is how the law has to work.
So there is absolutely no way that Trump can ever possibly be charged over classified docs, no matter what he did.

The closest any president can be to violating the law over classified docs would be if they deliberately prevented all future generations from being able to know about the history of something they did. That would be a violation of FOIA. But there is no indication Trump ever did anything like that.

 

[Rigby5]

Actually, it was Trump who tried to overturn a free election
He will go to jail for it

Attempting to delay certification by one day, does not an "insurrection" make.
Jan 6 could never have attempted to "overturn a free election".
They did not bring any guns or even sleeping bags.
So it was a very temporary and passive political demonstration, and nothing more.

But attempting to put Trump in jail is treason.
He is a popular candidate, who then is suppose to have political immunity.

 

[rightwinger]

Which is perfectly legal.
When president, he can legally give copies of classified docs to anyone, and all those who receive them then are extended the same executive privilege.
That includes giving copies to himself.
For example, presidents often give classified doc copies to our allies, generals, ambassadors, labs, etc.
Can those copies then be shared at will?
Yes they can.
Legal recipients of classified docs get the same executive privilege as the president has, so then can share them as they wish.

To put this in perspective, imagine a lab is given classified docs by a president.
Several presidents later, that lab will still have and can show those classified docs to any new employee they deem necessary.
That simply is how the law has to work.
So there is absolutely no way that Trump can ever possibly be charged over classified docs, no matter what he did.

The closest any president can be to violating the law over classified docs would be if they deliberately prevented all future generations from being able to know about the history of something they did. That would be a violation of FOIA. But there is no indication Trump ever did anything like that.

Sorry Skippy, but it does not exactly work like that

A Document is not classified, the information on that document is classified which determines the ultimate classification.
To declassify a document, each piece of information must be declassified not just on that document, but every document that contains that information

 

[Rigby5]

It is not the same case. Not the same situation nor the same circumstances.
Any attempt at "sameness" now or whataboutism ought to be left to the conservo talk radio hacks like Kilmeade, Bongino, and Hannity at this point.
I caught a bit of each of their shows today and of course they are working overtime trying to spin this as a "selective political prosecution," "weaponization of The Justice Department," and blah, blah, blah.
Without even mentioning the powerful indictments or the overwhelming evidence suggesting that the 45th POTUS and perspective 47th POTUS is and was a dire threat to our national security and thus has no business running as a serious or viable presidential candidate in 2024.
At the very least, once found guilty of even a single violation of The Espionage act and/or obstruction of justice in regard to the enforcement of the act, Trump should be sentenced to spend the rest of his natural life in federal prison.
Period. Full stop.
In fact, once found guilty Trump should count his lucky stars he will get to die in prison.
Remember Julius and Ethel Rosenberg?

It is legally impossible for a president (or ex-president) to ever be guilty of any crime involving classified docs. The laws (EO 13526) are clear that presidents can do whatever they want with classified docs, and they never lose their executive privilege to all the classified docs created during their administration.

Julius and Ethel were not guilty and their execution was murder.
Nixon was one of the prosecutors.

 

[rightwinger]

Attempting to delay certification by one day, does not an "insurrection" make.
Jan 6 could never have attempted to "overturn a free election".
They did not bring any guns or even sleeping bags.
So it was a very temporary and passive political demonstration, and nothing more.

But attempting to put Trump in jail is treason.
He is a popular candidate, who then is suppose to have political immunity.

You are making shit up
Trump never said anything about one day

Trumps attempt to steal the election goes beyond Jan 6 and involves multiple states

Trump will go to jail for it

 

[Rigby5]

Sorry Skippy, but it does not exactly work like that

A Document is not classified, the information on that document is classified which determines the ultimate classification.
To declassify a document, each piece of information must be declassified not just on that document, but every document that contains that information

Wrong.
Actually it is the doc that is classified.
If a person discovers another source of the same information, they can not be charged with anything for having that same information as the classified doc.
And no, when a document is declassified, that information can also on many other docs but those other docs can NOT be declassified simply because one part no longer needs to be classified.
Those other docs will still have other parts that have not been declassified, so those other docs remain totally classified.

But "declassification" actually has nothing to do with anything, and was a mistake for Trump to mention.
Presidents like Trump are immune to classified doc laws through executive privilege, and that is why the docs were as if declassified to Trump, not that they actually had been declassified.
The declassification process complexity comes from other copies of the same doc at different location, not other docs sharing only some of the same information.

 

[MagicMike]

It is legally impossible for a president (or ex-president) to ever be guilty of any crime involving classified docs. The laws (EO 13526) are clear that presidents can do whatever they want with classified docs, and they never lose their executive privilege to all the classified docs created during their administration.

Julius and Ethel were not guilty and their execution was murder.
Nixon was one of the prosecutors.

You need to get your legal opinion to Special Counsel Jack Smith ASAP!
Apparently YOU have a much more informed opinion on this law than the people who actually have....uh....law degrees and years of experience.
They desperately need to hear from you.

 

[Rigby5]

You are making shit up
Trump never said anything about one day

Trumps attempt to steal the election goes beyond Jan 6 and involves multiple states

Trump will go to jail for it

Wrong.
Trump never said much about Jan 6 at all.
He simply said he thought here had been massive voter fraud.
It is the fact the armed police could easily have cleared out the protestors at any time that makes it a "one day" event.
Also there is the fact they brought no sleeping bags, food, etc.
Obviously they did not intent to "occupy" any building.

There also is not evidence of any wrong doing by Trump in any state.
Alternate electors are the norm. They are selected ahead of time, just in case.

The only real crime so far are the illegal impeachments and indictments.
They are actual, deliberate, and in violation of the law.