Trump admits documents were not declassified

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

Where did you come up with this?

I took several courses in government when I was in school.

I also do my own research.

If you don't like the truth, argue with government bureaucratic laws/rules.

 

[mak2]

I took several courses in government when I was in school.

I also do my own research.

If you don't like the truth, argue with government bureaucratic laws/rules.

Yea that is what I thought.

 

[MagicMike]

It would be nice to actually here Trump be able to defend himself, unlike the hearings they had in Washington on live TV.

Wouldn't it?

Trump was invited to testify before The J6 Committee.
He refused.

 

[Mac1958]

You love the federal government taken over by lawless democrats

I don't.

Do you deny Biden and Hillary broke any laws Mr.TDS?

Just like I'm waiting on Trump's verdicts, if there are any, I'm waiting on theirs, if any.

I'm not like you, thank goodness. I'm not a sheep. Sorry.

 

[Votto]

Trump was invited to testify before The J6 Committee.
He refused.

They were willing to have him talk to trip him up, but he had not ability to defend himself properly because it was not a court of law, rather, it was a Star Chamber.

 

[Votto]

'If you want to die in jail, keep talking' – two national security law experts discuss the special treatment for Trump and offer him some advice

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www.yahoo.com

Trump's lawyer is telling him not to say a word about things, or end up in jail for the rest of his life

So now he must try and defend himself before the election without talking

This was by design.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Where did you come up with this?

Trump doesn't need to follow any formal protocol. But he admitted on tape that the document in question was not declassified.

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow

Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.

www.verifythis.com

The courts said that he needed to have some proof that they were declassified, so....Trump loses....

Appeals court tells Trump no, he didn't actually declassify the documents he says he did, allows DOJ access to them again

Trump presented no evidence of any declassification, the appeals court found. In a Fox News interview the same day, he said if you’re the president, "you can declassify just by saying ‘It’s declassified.’”

fortune.com

You just shot yourself in the foot 3 times. Read these three things that your own link says:

1st shot in your foot:
"However, presidents generally follow an informal protocol when declassifying documents, Richard Immerman, a historian and professor at Temple University, told VERIFY.
First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained."

2nd shot in the foot, your article says the declassification of a document doesn't absolve Trump of a crime:

“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added." I don't think you read your own article.

You just gave me an article that says moving nuclear related documents is a crime regardless of classification status.

3rd shot in the foot: Trump said in Truthsocial that all documents were Declassified, knowing that no one can rely on his mind and memory for the status of documents:

"In a post on Truth Social, his social media platform, Trump later claimed that the documents were “all declassified.” Kash Patel, who served as chief of staff for the acting defense secretary during the Trump administration, also claimed that Trump had declassified the documents."

 

[Ordinary Guy]

Non story as even our current President kept classified documents in an open garage, Hillary thousands of emails on a private server. This is a one sided witch hunt by a sitting President. Our country is becoming a huge turd

 

[MagicMike]

They were willing to have him talk to trip him up, but he had not ability to defend himself properly because it was not a court of law, rather, it was a Star Chamber.

Trip him up?
How so?
You'd better check your basic knowledge of civics and American government.
Duly appointed congressional investigative committees are certainly legitimate and legal and yes, their authority carries the weight of law.
It is true they did not have the authority to officially charge Trump with the crimes that their investigation uncovered.
That was not the mission or the objective of the committee.
It's purpose was to inform the American people of what actually took place on Jan. 6th 2021 and Trump's role in the insurrection and attempted coup against American democracy. Also the investigation was important for the history books and the official congressional record.
As for the "legal" charges associated with the committee's investigation that will be up to The Department of Justice and The U.S. Attorney General.
Special Prosecutor Jack Smith requested any and all evidence in the possession of The January 6th Committee last year.
The committee's job is done.
Now the ball is in AG Garland's court....to charge or not.
It is doubtful he will need to though with Trump already facing 37 other, seperate, felony charges that are likely to put him away for the rest of his natural life.

 

[kyzr]

You just shot yourself in the foot 3 times. Read these three things that your own link says:

1st shot in your foot:
"However, presidents generally follow an informal protocol when declassifying documents, Richard Immerman, a historian and professor at Temple University, told VERIFY.
First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained."

2nd shot in the foot, your article says the declassification of a document doesn't absolve Trump of a crime:

“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added." I don't think you read your own article.

You just gave me an article that says moving nuclear related documents is a crime regardless of classification status.

3rd shot in the foot: Trump said in Truthsocial that all documents were Declassified, knowing that no one can rely on his mind and memory for the status of documents:

"In a post on Truth Social, his social media platform, Trump later claimed that the documents were “all declassified.” Kash Patel, who served as chief of staff for the acting defense secretary during the Trump administration, also claimed that Trump had declassified the documents."

1. 1st shot: Hanging your hat on words like "generally follow" doesn't prove anything against Trump.
2. 2nd shot: Prove "intent". Trump didn't pack the boxes.
3. 3rd shot: If Trump declassified those documents, they were declassified. Prove they weren't.

 

[MagicMike]

1. 1st shot: Hanging your hat on words like "generally follow" doesn't prove anything against Trump.
2. 2nd shot: Prove "intent". Trump didn't pack the boxes.
3. 3rd shot: If Trump declassified those documents, they were declassified. Prove they weren't.

Jack Smith will prove it.
If he did not have the evidence to prove it he wouldn't have filed the charges.

 

[kyzr]

Jack Smith will prove it.
If he did not have the evidence to prove it he wouldn't have filed the charges.

Fair enough. We'll see how it shakes out.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

1. 1st shot: Hanging your hat on words like "generally follow" doesn't prove anything against Trump.
2. 2nd shot: Prove "intent". Trump didn't pack the boxes.
3. 3rd shot: If Trump declassified those documents, they were declassified. Prove they weren't.

The

1. 1st shot: Hanging your hat on words like "generally follow" doesn't prove anything against Trump.
2. 2nd shot: Prove "intent". Trump didn't pack the boxes.
3. 3rd shot: If Trump declassified those documents, they were declassified. Prove they weren't.

1st shot: along with the operation crossfire hurricane which you have mentioned in the past regarding this issue. Trump had them reviewed and publicly announced declassification. now you're claiming that all of a sudden he switched to telepathy. Good luck selling that to a jury.

2) since you're the first person in this universe who has made this stupid "Trump wasn't holding the tape gun" argument, I won't even bother.

3) Trump said they were Declassified, so he's going to have to prove it, not me.
I'm not the indicted one.. He is.

 

[Rawley]

Do you any proof that Biden lied for over a year to keep those documents, and plotted and directed his people to hide them from the Feds?

Why the distraction? Biden illegally took and kept classified documents from the Senate and from the White House.

 

[Rawley]

Jack Smith will prove it.
If he did not have the evidence to prove it he wouldn't have filed the charges.

LOL

 

[Rawley]

3) Trump said they were Declassified, so he's going to have to prove it, not me.

His word againt ... whose?

 

[kyzr]

The

1st shot: along with the operation crossfire hurricane which you have mentioned in the past regarding this issue. Trump had them reviewed and publicly announced declassification. now you're claiming that all of a sudden he switched to telepathy. Good luck selling that to a jury.

2) since you're the first person in this universe who has made this stupid "Trump wasn't holding the tape gun" argument, I won't even bother.

3) Trump said they were Declassified, so he's going to have to prove it, not me.
I'm not the indicted one.. He is.

1. The point is that there is no formal protocol for a president to declassify documents

2. You and Jack Smith can prove that Trump intended to take every paper that was packed into those boxes?
Remember: Hillary paid for her illegal bathroom server, but had no "intent" to break the Law?

3. Innocent until proven guilty, Smith needs to prove every count.

 

[Mac1958]

Why the distraction? Biden illegally took and kept classified documents from the Senate and from the White House.

You don't have to answer the question.

And besides, I was responding to someone who was trying to deflect from the topic of the thread. It ain't about Biden.

Believe whatever you'd like.

 

[Rawley]

You don't have to answer the question.

And besides, I was responding to someone who was trying to deflect from the topic of the thread. It ain't about Biden.

Believe whatever you'd like.

Backatcha

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

1. The point is that there is no formal protocol for a president to declassify documents

2. You and Jack Smith can prove that Trump intended to take every paper that was packed into those boxes?
Remember: Hillary paid for her illegal bathroom server, but had no "intent" to break the Law?

3. Innocent until proven guilty, Smith needs to prove every count.

1) declassifying with the mind is not a thing, so therefore, it’s not formal or informal, because the document would still bear a classified marking. No president ever declassified a document that retained its marking as classified. You can try naming that President if you want though.

2) Trump isn’t even making that argument.

3) Duh.