Trinity, there is not one that is all 3

[Azrael]

John 1:1 and John 1:14

"John 1:1
The Word Became Flesh
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Yep it most certainty says that,
but I do not feel that it's true I feel that this is one mans opinion of a great man who was not God but just his son and greatest prophet.

OH one mans opinion?

Fine the opinion of the people who founded Christianity,
but they where so afraid of other peoples points of view about it they called their accounts heresy and tried to destroy them all.
Luckily for us some of them remain in the dead sea scrolls.

Christianity was clearly used as a tool to unify people under one government, so that they could be better controlled by it.
Why else should those Jewish practices that even Jesus himself took part in be thrown to the wind? but to allow people who either can't or won't convert to join as that means more money for the Church, more money for the Church meant more money for the Government. They even moved the Birth of Christ to a different date.

So it is an opinion shared by the creators of the New-Testament and some people today.
Whether or not its true Ill have to die first in order to find out.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"John 1:1
The Word Became Flesh
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Yep it most certainty says that,
but I do not feel that it's true I feel that this is one mans opinion of a great man who was not God but just his son and greatest prophet.

OH one mans opinion?

Fine the opinion of the people who founded Christianity,
but they where so afraid of other peoples points of view about it they called their accounts heresy and tried to destroy them all.
Luckily for us some of them remain in the dead sea scrolls.

Christianity was clearly used as a tool to unify people under one government, so that they could be better controlled by it.
Why else should those Jewish practices that even Jesus himself took part in be thrown to the wind? but to allow people who either can't or won't convert to join as that means more money for the Church, more money for the Church meant more money for the Government. They even moved the Birth of Christ to a different date.

So it is an opinion shared by the creators of the New-Testament and some people today.
Whether or not its true Ill have to die first in order to find out.

That would be Jesus Christ. Hve fun with that.

 

[Azrael]

OH one mans opinion?

Fine the opinion of the people who founded Christianity,
but they where so afraid of other peoples points of view about it they called their accounts heresy and tried to destroy them all.
Luckily for us some of them remain in the dead sea scrolls.

Christianity was clearly used as a tool to unify people under one government, so that they could be better controlled by it.
Why else should those Jewish practices that even Jesus himself took part in be thrown to the wind? but to allow people who either can't or won't convert to join as that means more money for the Church, more money for the Church meant more money for the Government. They even moved the Birth of Christ to a different date.

So it is an opinion shared by the creators of the New-Testament and some people today.
Whether or not its true Ill have to die first in order to find out.

That would be Jesus Christ. Hve fun with that.

No he inspired it
he was not its founder.

His disciples would've been its founders.

Some where in the Bible Jesus calls himself the morning star,
Lucifer is also known as the morning star. If you take that literally Jesus claimed to be the devil.

Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!"

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Fine the opinion of the people who founded Christianity,
but they where so afraid of other peoples points of view about it they called their accounts heresy and tried to destroy them all.
Luckily for us some of them remain in the dead sea scrolls.

Christianity was clearly used as a tool to unify people under one government, so that they could be better controlled by it.
Why else should those Jewish practices that even Jesus himself took part in be thrown to the wind? but to allow people who either can't or won't convert to join as that means more money for the Church, more money for the Church meant more money for the Government. They even moved the Birth of Christ to a different date.

So it is an opinion shared by the creators of the New-Testament and some people today.
Whether or not its true Ill have to die first in order to find out.

That would be Jesus Christ. Hve fun with that.

No he inspired it
he was not its founder.

His disciples would've been its founders.

Some where in the Bible Jesus calls himself the morning star,
Lucifer is also known as the morning star. If you take that literally Jesus claimed to be the devil.

Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!"

And the Bible is the inspired word of God.

 

[Azrael]

That would be Jesus Christ. Hve fun with that.

No he inspired it
he was not its founder.

His disciples would've been its founders.

Some where in the Bible Jesus calls himself the morning star,
Lucifer is also known as the morning star. If you take that literally Jesus claimed to be the devil.

Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isaiah 14:12
"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!"

And the Bible is the inspired word of God.

Prophecies do not use names like that loosely when they call some one or some thing a name they mean it and if you truely wish to believe that from cover to cover every last word on every last page is from God then Isiah prophecies that Jesus wants to defeat God take his throne and become God. As Lucifer and Jesus are both the Morning Star and Isaiah 14 clearly describes the attempt and failure of some one trying to dethrone God. That some one being the Morning Star.
That some one being Jesus.

But don't worry Jesus did say ALL have fallen short of the glory of the lord, not all but me.

Perhaps Jesus and Lucifer have always been one in the same and his eventually betrayal of God happens at both the beginning and end of time simultaneously. What say you?

 

[hortysir]

I can cite passage after passage where John and Jesus sate that Jesus is the Son, that Jesus has only the power give n him by his Father God. Passages where Jesus states he is NOT God, he is his son.

And the Bible talks of other Gods. Only one God is supreme. Jesus was God's first creation. He is as one with God, they think and act alike but they are not one being. God gave to Jesus the power to help him create everything after Jesus.

John 1:33 tells us that God commanded John to baptize Jesus with the holy Ghost, 3 separate entities, 2 visible to John at the same time.

John 1:34 states that this is Jesus the SON of God.

In Jesus own words he states he is not God but his son. In John 2:16 he reprimands those selling in the temple and warns them not to make HIS FATHER'S Hoses a store.

John 3:16 through 19 Jesus informs that he, THE SON of GOD was sent to save the world.

I can go on and on with JUST John.

How about when the Holy Spirit rests on Him?
Any other being, mentioned in the Bible, is 'filled' with the Holy Spirit.
Only with Jesus does He 'rest' on Him.

 

[hortysir]

Which part of the new testament displays this information?
Not that I agree with it, just want to know where.

John 1:1 and John 1:14

"John 1:1
The Word Became Flesh
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Yep it most certainty says that,
but I do not feel that it's true I feel that this is one mans opinion of a great man who was not God but just his son and greatest prophet.

A cherry picker, or a Troll?

Like I said......throw your Bible away because you don't believe it

 

[Azrael]

John 1:1 and John 1:14

"John 1:1
The Word Became Flesh
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Yep it most certainty says that,
but I do not feel that it's true I feel that this is one mans opinion of a great man who was not God but just his son and greatest prophet.

A cherry picker, or a Troll?

Like I said......throw your Bible away because you don't believe it

I believe in God, I have faith in God,
there is wisdom in the bible but it is a book inspired by God, written by men.
men make mistakes the bible it's self says that.

God is perfect the Bible is not.


I do believe a good sum of what it says,
n I'm not going to throw it away my dead Grandma gave me that.

 

[The Professor]

Some Christians believe that Jesus is merely the Son of God (the Father being greater than the Son). However other Christians believe Jesus is a co-equal part of a divine trinity composed of three separate entities, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, while still others believe Jesus is God Himself. Yet in spite of their conflicting beliefs, they all point to the same Bible to prove their position, and in each case, there are indeed verses which - on their face - support each of their varied beliefs. Other posters have submitted verses tending to prove that God and Christ are one and the same; however, I submit the following verses which I think prove that God and Christ are entirely separate entities (all references are to the KJV):

Matthew 19:17 and Luke 18

“And he said unto them, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, the Father.”

(Christ acknowledges that He is not good. Now, logically speaking, if Christ is not good, how can He be God or even a part of God?? How can a perfect God have even a single component which is not good?)

Matthew 20:23:

“He said to them, You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for who it has been prepared by my Father.”

Matthew 27:46:

“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”

(Commenting on this dying exclamation of Christ, Dr. Conway says: "That cry could never be wrung from the lips of a man who saw in his own death a prearranged plan for the world's salvation, and his own return to divine glory temporarily renounced for transient misery on earth. The fictitious theology of a thousand years shrivels beneath the awful anguish of that cry." See The Christ, by John E. Remsberg, p.314.)

Mark 13:32:

“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but only the Father.”

Mark 16

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”

(Clearly Jesus cannot sit on the right hand of himself, therefore Jesus and God must be two distinct entities).

Luke 22:42:

“Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”

(This verse shows that The Father and Son did not share the same objectives. The Son would just as soon have avoided His "death" but He acquiesced to the will of His Father.)

John 8:42:

“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.”

(This verse ridicules the idea that God and Jesus are one. Jesus said He did not come of Himself, but was sent by the Father. It is axiomatic that the one who sent and the one who was sent cannot be the same person. If Jesus and the Father really were one and the same, Jesus would have come of himself, and the words He said in John 8:42 could not be true.)

John 14:28:

“Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.”

(This is one of the strongest proofs that Father and Son are two separate entities and the Father is superior to the Son.)

John 20:17:

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

(If Jesus is His own God, then I'm my own grandpa.)

1 Timothy 2:5-6:

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

(If Christ is a mediator BETWEEN God and men, He cannot be God. These verses clearly and convincingly establish that Christ and God are separate entities.)

Isaiah 43:10-12:
(The Old Testament God speaking):

“You are My witnesses, declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, so that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor after Me there is none. I, I am the LORD, and besides Me there is no savior. I, I have declared and saved, and made known, and there was no foreign mighty one among you. And you are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “that I am God” (emphasis my own).

(This verse, along with many other Old Testament verses, shows that God is unique and individual. It also shows that salvation existed long before the birth of Christ.)

Here is the question: Are Jesus and God one and the same?

Here is the answer: It depends on which Bible verses you want to believe.

 

[Azrael]

Some Christians believe that Jesus is merely the Son of God (the Father being greater than the Son). However other Christians believe Jesus is a co-equal part of a divine trinity composed of three separate entities, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, while still others believe Jesus is God Himself. Yet in spite of their conflicting beliefs, they all point to the same Bible to prove their position, and in each case, there are indeed verses which - on their face - support each of their varied beliefs. Other posters have submitted verses tending to prove that God and Christ are one and the same; however, I submit the following verses which I think prove that God and Christ are entirely separate entities (all references are to the KJV):

Matthew 19:17 and Luke 18

“And he said unto them, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, the Father.”

(Christ acknowledges that He is not good. Now, logically speaking, if Christ is not good, how can He be God or even a part of God?? How can a perfect God have even a single component which is not good?)

Matthew 20:23:

“He said to them, You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for who it has been prepared by my Father.”

Matthew 27:46:

“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”

(Commenting on this dying exclamation of Christ, Dr. Conway says: "That cry could never be wrung from the lips of a man who saw in his own death a prearranged plan for the world's salvation, and his own return to divine glory temporarily renounced for transient misery on earth. The fictitious theology of a thousand years shrivels beneath the awful anguish of that cry." See The Christ, by John E. Remsberg, p.314.)

Mark 13:32:

“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but only the Father.”

Mark 16

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”

(Clearly Jesus cannot sit on the right hand of himself, therefore Jesus and God must be two distinct entities).

Luke 22:42:

“Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”

(This verse shows that The Father and Son did not share the same objectives. The Son would just as soon have avoided His "death" but He acquiesced to the will of His Father.)

John 8:42:

“Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.”

(This verse ridicules the idea that God and Jesus are one. Jesus said He did not come of Himself, but was sent by the Father. It is axiomatic that the one who sent and the one who was sent cannot be the same person. If Jesus and the Father really were one and the same, Jesus would have come of himself, and the words He said in John 8:42 could not be true.)

John 14:28:

“Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.”

(This is one of the strongest proofs that Father and Son are two separate entities and the Father is superior to the Son.)

John 20:17:

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

(If Jesus is His own God, then I'm my own grandpa.)

1 Timothy 2:5-6:

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

(If Christ is a mediator BETWEEN God and men, He cannot be God. These verses clearly and convincingly establish that Christ and God are separate entities.)

Isaiah 43:10-12:
(The Old Testament God speaking):

“You are My witnesses, declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, so that you know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor after Me there is none. I, I am the LORD, and besides Me there is no savior. I, I have declared and saved, and made known, and there was no foreign mighty one among you. And you are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “that I am God” (emphasis my own).

(This verse, along with many other Old Testament verses, shows that God is unique and individual. It also shows that salvation existed long before the birth of Christ.)

Here is the question: Are Jesus and God one and the same?

Here is the answer: It depends on which Bible verses you want to believe.

But
wouldn't that just mean it contradicts it's self?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"John 1:1
The Word Became Flesh
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Yep it most certainty says that,
but I do not feel that it's true I feel that this is one mans opinion of a great man who was not God but just his son and greatest prophet.

A cherry picker, or a Troll?

Like I said......throw your Bible away because you don't believe it

I believe in God, I have faith in God,
there is wisdom in the bible but it is a book inspired by God, written by men.
men make mistakes the bible it's self says that.

God is perfect the Bible is not.


I do believe a good sum of what it says,
n I'm not going to throw it away my dead Grandma gave me that.

I really hate to inform you of this because it will mess up your misconception of the bible and God. But since God does not deal in lies, if their is one lie in the Bible the whole bible is a lie.

 

[rightwinger]

You are definetly twisted.

Who gets top billing? The Father
Then the Son

Holy Spirit is a weak third. His god powers are nowhere close to the other two.

Dude really according to Christian's making fun of (mocking) the Holy Ghost is the only sin that is unforgivable. If I were you I wouldn't go down that road.

Just commenting on the relative power of the trinity. They are not all equal. If the holy trinity were the Three Stooges, the Holy Ghost would be Larry

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Who gets top billing? The Father
Then the Son

Holy Spirit is a weak third. His god powers are nowhere close to the other two.

Dude really according to Christian's making fun of (mocking) the Holy Ghost is the only sin that is unforgivable. If I were you I wouldn't go down that road.

Just commenting on the relative power of the trinity. They are not all equal. If the holy trinity were the Three Stooges, the Holy Ghost would be Larry

I warned you. It's on your head not mine.

 

[rightwinger]

Dude really according to Christian's making fun of (mocking) the Holy Ghost is the only sin that is unforgivable. If I were you I wouldn't go down that road.

Just commenting on the relative power of the trinity. They are not all equal. If the holy trinity were the Three Stooges, the Holy Ghost would be Larry

I warned you. It's on your head not mine.

Look....you make fun of God, you are likely to get a lightning bolt up your ass
You make fin of Jesus and he will turn the other cheek
You make fun of the Holy Ghost...what's he gunna do?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Just commenting on the relative power of the trinity. They are not all equal. If the holy trinity were the Three Stooges, the Holy Ghost would be Larry

I warned you. It's on your head not mine.

Look....you make fun of God, you are likely to get a lightning bolt up your ass
You make fin of Jesus and he will turn the other cheek
You make fun of the Holy Ghost...what's he gunna do?

Knock yourself out.

 

[Dragon]

Dude really according to Christian's making fun of (mocking) the Holy Ghost is the only sin that is unforgivable. If I were you I wouldn't go down that road.

Just commenting on the relative power of the trinity. They are not all equal. If the holy trinity were the Three Stooges, the Holy Ghost would be Larry

I warned you. It's on your head not mine.

That business about the holy spirit and the unforgivable sin is something that very few Christians understand. Let's take a look at the Gospel passages where Jesus is quoted talking about this. And let's look at it in context.

" 22 They brought to Jesus a demon-possessed man who was blind and unable to speak. Jesus healed him so that he could both speak and see. 23 All the crowds were amazed and said, “This man couldn’t be the Son of David, could he?”

24 When the Pharisees heard, they said, “This man throws out demons only by the authority of Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.”

25 Because Jesus knew what they were thinking, he replied, “Every kingdom involved in civil war becomes a wasteland. Every city or house torn apart by divisions will collapse. 26 If Satan throws out Satan, he is at war with himself. How then can his kingdom endure? 27 And if I throw out demons by the authority of Beelzebul, then by whose authority do your followers throw them out? Therefore, they will be your judges. 28 But if I throw out demons by the power of God’s Spirit, then God’s kingdom has already overtaken you. 29 Can people go into a house that belongs to a strong man and steal his possessions, unless they first tie up the strong man? Then they can rob his house. 30 Whoever isn’t with me is against me, and whoever doesn’t gather with me scatters.

31 “Therefore, I tell you that people will be forgiven for every sin and insult to God. But insulting the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Human One[d] will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven, not in this age or in the age that is coming."

(Matthew chapter 12, New English Bible translation.)

Now let's consider what, in context, the words "insulting the Holy Spirit" mean. What is Jesus talking about here? Is he talking about someone hearing someone else talking about "the holy spirit" and saying something naughty about the critter bearing that name? No, he's talking about a slanderous attitude towards a manifestation of divine power: casting out devils.

The Pharisees accused him of casting out devils using the power of the prince of devils. Jesus' counter was a bit of reasoning: that if they were right, good times were at hand, because it meant Hell was in civil war and would not long stand; but on the other hand, if Jesus cast out devils by the power of God, then again good news was at hand, because the Kingdom of God was right before their eyes.

So what, in context is the insulting of the Holy Spirit? It's the rejection of God's power, thinking that it is coming from something evil. It's not a matter of names. It's a matter of rejecting the presence and influence of God.

When someone makes a joke about the "Holy Spirit," that's NOT insulting the Holy Spirit as Jesus meant it here. But when someone calls God, as experienced in the context of another religious path, diabolical -- that is. And even more, when you reject the power of God within you, because he seems to be telling you something heretical, or because you fear he might be the Devil -- that is. And it's unforgivable not because it's especially heinous or because God laid down some silly rule about it, but because it is, in the very doing, a REJECTION of forgiveness.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Just commenting on the relative power of the trinity. They are not all equal. If the holy trinity were the Three Stooges, the Holy Ghost would be Larry

I warned you. It's on your head not mine.

That business about the holy spirit and the unforgivable sin is something that very few Christians understand. Let's take a look at the Gospel passages where Jesus is quoted talking about this. And let's look at it in context.

" 22 They brought to Jesus a demon-possessed man who was blind and unable to speak. Jesus healed him so that he could both speak and see. 23 All the crowds were amazed and said, “This man couldn’t be the Son of David, could he?”

24 When the Pharisees heard, they said, “This man throws out demons only by the authority of Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.”

25 Because Jesus knew what they were thinking, he replied, “Every kingdom involved in civil war becomes a wasteland. Every city or house torn apart by divisions will collapse. 26 If Satan throws out Satan, he is at war with himself. How then can his kingdom endure? 27 And if I throw out demons by the authority of Beelzebul, then by whose authority do your followers throw them out? Therefore, they will be your judges. 28 But if I throw out demons by the power of God’s Spirit, then God’s kingdom has already overtaken you. 29 Can people go into a house that belongs to a strong man and steal his possessions, unless they first tie up the strong man? Then they can rob his house. 30 Whoever isn’t with me is against me, and whoever doesn’t gather with me scatters.

31 “Therefore, I tell you that people will be forgiven for every sin and insult to God. But insulting the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Human One[d] will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven, not in this age or in the age that is coming."

(Matthew chapter 12, New English Bible translation.)

Now let's consider what, in context, the words "insulting the Holy Spirit" mean. What is Jesus talking about here? Is he talking about someone hearing someone else talking about "the holy spirit" and saying something naughty about the critter bearing that name? No, he's talking about a slanderous attitude towards a manifestation of divine power: casting out devils.

The Pharisees accused him of casting out devils using the power of the prince of devils. Jesus' counter was a bit of reasoning: that if they were right, good times were at hand, because it meant Hell was in civil war and would not long stand; but on the other hand, if Jesus cast out devils by the power of God, then again good news was at hand, because the Kingdom of God was right before their eyes.

So what, in context is the insulting of the Holy Spirit? It's the rejection of God's power, thinking that it is coming from something evil. It's not a matter of names. It's a matter of rejecting the presence and influence of God.

When someone makes a joke about the "Holy Spirit," that's NOT insulting the Holy Spirit as Jesus meant it here. But when someone calls God, as experienced in the context of another religious path, diabolical -- that is. And even more, when you reject the power of God within you, because he seems to be telling you something heretical, or because you fear he might be the Devil -- that is. And it's unforgivable not because it's especially heinous or because God laid down some silly rule about it, but because it is, in the very doing, a REJECTION of forgiveness.

Matthew 12:31-32 says, "Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

 

[Dragon]

Matthew 12:31-32 says, "Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

I just quoted that. I also quoted the context, which you left out. Look again.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Matthew 12:31-32 says, "Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

I just quoted that. I also quoted the context, which you left out. Look again.

In context? would be disbelief and rejection of the holy spirit. Joking about the holy spirit is acting as if you don't believe in it.

 

[Dragon]

Matthew 12:31-32 says, "Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

I just quoted that. I also quoted the context, which you left out. Look again.

In context? would be disbelief and rejection of the holy spirit. Joking about the holy spirit is acting as if you don't believe in it.

The context meaning what Jesus was talking about and doing right before he said that, and what he meant by the "therefore" in "Therefore, I tell you that . . ."

He was talking about the accusation that he cast out devils because he was in league with the Big Evil Guy. THAT is what he was calling insulting the holy spirit: calling the power of God and its manifestations a power of evil. After all, what IS the Holy Spirit? Is it not the power of God manifest in us? And so when Jesus displayed that power, and the Pharisees said it came from the Devil, what was that but insulting the Holy Spirit?

It has nothing to do with making a stupid joke. Nothing at all. You are insulting the Holy Spirit when you do what the Pharisees were doing in that story.

So: when you see good works being done (within or without) by holy power, no matter the religious context, call that what it really is, and don't call it the power of Satan. THAT is insulting the Holy Spirit.