Treason or Whistle Blower?

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Notice how Wry Catcher ignores condemning Obama for doing the very thing, LEAKING CLASSIFIED INTEL, this PATRIOT did? But Obama did it for personal reasons and actually cost American lives.. BUT THATS OK.. He's a leftist god.

You're not wrong. Obama's selective leaks have all been to make him look good, whereas he has gone to unprecedented lengths to target people who leak things that make him look bad.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Rand Paul wants to challenge NSA programs in Supreme Court ? RT USA


Go Rand Go!

 

[Wry Catcher]

And that's not a straw-man argument at all.

Nice try Kevin. Suppose you offer an example of when the disclosure of secret information is LEGAL?

Who says it's legal? I only ever said that it was heroic and the right thing to do. When the law is terrible then criminals become the heroes.

And there was no "Nice try," your last post was a terrible straw-man that deserved less attention than I gave it.

Yet you ignore the fact that we are a nation of law. Therein is the big flaw of Libertarian 'thinking.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Nice try Kevin. Suppose you offer an example of when the disclosure of secret information is LEGAL?

Who says it's legal? I only ever said that it was heroic and the right thing to do. When the law is terrible then criminals become the heroes.

And there was no "Nice try," your last post was a terrible straw-man that deserved less attention than I gave it.

Yet you ignore the fact that we are a nation of law. Therein is the big flaw of Libertarian 'thinking.

Everyone see's right through you . You're pissed this guy outted your messiah.. nothing more. He made him look like the TYRANT he truly is.. and that's the ONLY reason you want him jailed.. We still haven't heard you call for Obama's arrest for doing the same damn thing- leaking classified INTEL.

 

[dblack]

Nice try Kevin. Suppose you offer an example of when the disclosure of secret information is LEGAL?

Who says it's legal? I only ever said that it was heroic and the right thing to do. When the law is terrible then criminals become the heroes.

And there was no "Nice try," your last post was a terrible straw-man that deserved less attention than I gave it.

Yet you ignore the fact that we are a nation of law. Therein is the big flaw of Libertarian 'thinking.

Yeah whatever. This issue is effective for outing the shills if nothing else. Honestly though, don't you feel at least a little 'dirty'?

 

[Hello121]

This Is No Longer The Country that I Grew Up In ......

Everyone Who Has Held Public Office In The Last 20 Years On A National Level Should Be Arrested And Tried As "Traitors" ...... Greed ...... And ...... Stupidity ...... Are NOT An Excuse For Doing Something That Is Morally WRONG

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Nice try Kevin. Suppose you offer an example of when the disclosure of secret information is LEGAL?

Who says it's legal? I only ever said that it was heroic and the right thing to do. When the law is terrible then criminals become the heroes.

And there was no "Nice try," your last post was a terrible straw-man that deserved less attention than I gave it.

Yet you ignore the fact that we are a nation of law. Therein is the big flaw of Libertarian 'thinking.

Breaking the law is necessary when the government uses it to hide its own law-breaking, which is what should really be worrying people.

 

[dblack]

FWIW, I think he should be charged with treason, and given a fair trial. It won't happen, of course, because it would be huge embarrassment to the administration.

 

[Redfish]

The guy is doing a patriotic act. He is disclosing government corruption and tyrany. But, for doing the right thing, he will be pursued and may disappear.

We are at a crossroads in this country. Will we remain a free democratic republic or become a socialist dictatorship. Its in our hands.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Who says it's legal? I only ever said that it was heroic and the right thing to do. When the law is terrible then criminals become the heroes.

And there was no "Nice try," your last post was a terrible straw-man that deserved less attention than I gave it.

Yet you ignore the fact that we are a nation of law. Therein is the big flaw of Libertarian 'thinking.

Everyone see's right through you . You're pissed this guy outted your messiah.. nothing more. He made him look like the TYRANT he truly is.. and that's the ONLY reason you want him jailed.. We still haven't heard you call for Obama's arrest for doing the same damn thing- leaking classified INTEL.

Your ignorance LGS is only surpassed by your partisanship and hate for the President.

Emotion has nothing to do with my opinion in this matter. We have laws and citizens who believe a law is flawed have recourse. Those who disobey a law and runaway are not only criminals they are cowards. Read On thr Duty of Civil Disobedience and the 'heroic' behavior of Thoreau (no he was not a Frenchman).

 

[Richard-H]

Government is not supposed to use the 'SECRET' label to cover up illegal activity.

But in this case it seems that the NSA program was legal. Records were obtained under a court order.

This guy had no right to disclose secret information, just because he didn't approve of the program personally. He should be charged appropriately.

If he had any qualms about the program he should have written his congressman or taken up a legal action to challenge the law that the program was based on.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

The guy is doing a patriotic act. He is disclosing government corruption and tyrany. But, for doing the right thing, he will be pursued and may disappear.

We are at a crossroads in this country. Will we remain a free democratic republic or become a socialist dictatorship. Its in our hands.

Absolutely.. and the very type of thing our Founders risked their lives for..

 

[Missourian]

so you and Kevin believe everything which the Federal does must be done in public for everyone in the world to be privy to and nothing should be secret?

So before June 6, 1944 The Federal Government had a duty to have a press conference to announce the invasion and if they did not an officer in IKE's command would have a duty to tell the news and thus Hitler?

And that's not a straw-man argument at all.

Nice try Kevin. Suppose you offer an example of when the disclosure of secret information is LEGAL?

When Leon Panetta releases the information that gets the doctor that positively identified Osama 33 year in Pakistani prison?

Panetta spoke on record in an interview to CBS “60 Minutes” confirming Afridi's role in late January 2012. The statements came after Afridi had testified to the commission, and sharply contradicted his story.

“This was an individual, in fact that helped provide intelligence, that was very helpful in regards to this operation and he was not in any way treasonous towards Pakistan,” Panetta told the program in January, 2012, in the first acknowledgement of Afridi's role.


That prompted the Pakistani commission to conclude in its report that "Dr. Afridi had been cultivated by the CIA and ultimately used in its project to assassinate Usama Bin Laden.”

Read more: Obama administration to blame for jailing of hero Bin Laden doctor, says Pakistani report | Fox News
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[B. Kidd]

This was government over-reach.

It's like 1984...Big Brother is watching.

Snowden is a whistle blower...

I also think this is different than the Manning case.

1) Snowden carefully ONLY released information on programs, tactics and techniques...Manning gave away everything including the kitchen sink without regard for the lives and safety of men and women involved in ongoing overseas operations.

2) Snowden goal was informing U.S. citizens of the government that is elected to represent them.

3) Snowden didn't try to hide his identity...he came right out and said "here's what I did and this is why I did it.". Manning, did not.

4) From what I've seen and read, I believe Snowden's intentions were pure and his motivations honorable. Manning's...not so much.

An accurate distinction. Manning pushed a button and dumped 250,000 classified docs. Snowden is just a canary in a coal mine warning us of morphing into a corporate-fascist state.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Yet you ignore the fact that we are a nation of law. Therein is the big flaw of Libertarian 'thinking.

Everyone see's right through you . You're pissed this guy outted your messiah.. nothing more. He made him look like the TYRANT he truly is.. and that's the ONLY reason you want him jailed.. We still haven't heard you call for Obama's arrest for doing the same damn thing- leaking classified INTEL.

Your ignorance LGS is only surpassed by your partisanship and hate for the President.

Emotion has nothing to do with my opinion in this matter. We have laws and citizens who believe a law is flawed have recourse. Those who disobey a law and runaway are not only criminals they are cowards. Read On thr Duty of Civil Disobedience and the 'heroic' behavior of Thoreau (no he was not a Frenchman).

I don't give a shit what you think about me.. ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION:

Why aren't you holding OBAMA to the same account??????????????????????????????

 

[Wry Catcher]

government is not supposed to use the 'secret' label to cover up illegal activity.

But in this case it seems that the nsa program was legal. Records were obtained under a court order.

This guy had no right to disclose secret information, just because he didn't approve of the program personally. He should be charged appropriately.

If he had any qualms about the program he should have written his congressman or taken up a legal action to challenge the law that the program was based on.

exactly!

 

[Seawytch]

From the non disclosure agreement you sign when given access to classified material:

I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of classified information by me may constitute a violation, or violations, of United States criminal laws, including the provisions of Sections 641, 793, 794, 798, *952 and 1924, Title 18, United States Code, * the provisions of Section 783(b), Title 50, United States Code, and the provisions of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. I recognize that nothing in this Agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

From the non disclosure agreement you sign when given access to classified material:

I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of classified information by me may constitute a violation, or violations, of United States criminal laws, including the provisions of Sections 641, 793, 794, 798, *952 and 1924, Title 18, United States Code, * the provisions of Section 783(b), Title 50, United States Code, and the provisions of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. I recognize that nothing in this Agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation.

Does that include OBAMA^^^

 

[Seawytch]

From the non disclosure agreement you sign when given access to classified material:

I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of classified information by me may constitute a violation, or violations, of United States criminal laws, including the provisions of Sections 641, 793, 794, 798, *952 and 1924, Title 18, United States Code, * the provisions of Section 783(b), Title 50, United States Code, and the provisions of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. I recognize that nothing in this Agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation.

Does that include OBAMA^^^

Do you have a point? Do you have evidence the President disclosed classified information?

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

From the non disclosure agreement you sign when given access to classified material:

I have been advised that any unauthorized disclosure of classified information by me may constitute a violation, or violations, of United States criminal laws, including the provisions of Sections 641, 793, 794, 798, *952 and 1924, Title 18, United States Code, * the provisions of Section 783(b), Title 50, United States Code, and the provisions of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. I recognize that nothing in this Agreement constitutes a waiver by the United States of the right to prosecute me for any statutory violation.

Does that include OBAMA^^^

Do you have a point? Do you have evidence the President disclosed classified information?

Yea I do actually.. thanks for asking!

The Obama administration has gone to extraordinary lengths to publicize details of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, even as it threatens to file criminal charges against a former Navy SEAL because he provided the same type of mission rundown in his recently published book.

An examination by The Washington Times shows that several details in the book “No Easy Day” already have appeared in print based on interviews with administration officials and likely will be included in an upcoming movie and another book.

Perhaps the most detailed account of the raid appeared in a 2011 New Yorker article based on authorized interviews with White House officials. A source close to SEAL Team 6, which carried out the May 2011 mission, said unit members were told after the article was published that it was based, in part, on an authorized interview with a mission planner.

Internal administration emails released last month in a Freedom of Information lawsuit show extraordinary cooperation between filmmakers working on a movie about the bin Laden raid and Obama political appointees. At least one person who took part in the raid was made available to the movie’s director and screenwriter, the emails show.

A book coming out three weeks before the Nov. 6 election details the bin Laden raid, step by step. It also is based on cooperation with the White House, according to the source close to SEAL Team 6. The book’s publicity blurb says it will focus on President Obama, who has made the bin Laden killing a focal point of his re-election campaign.

“No Easy Day” author Matt Bissonnette, a former SEAL who used the pen name Mark Owen, has been threatened by the Pentagon with criminal charges for his first-person account of the bin Laden mission.


Read more: Details of bin Laden raid leaked first by Obama aides - Washington Times
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