To the "Anti-vaxxers"

[Mikeoxenormous]

Sorry, but that it ignorant.
What is keeping the epidemic around is "flattening the curve", and it is that we should immediately stop.
The experimental vaccines that are not even FDA approved are no solution at all, sine we could later discover they kill far more than the current epidemic.
The better, faster, and safer way is to just isolate the elderly, and then accelerate infection as quickly as possible, to get it over with, once and for all.
These vaccines are extremely badly made and untested.

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What doesnt kill us makes us stronger.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

So

1. You believe the decision not to vax is political

It is pol;itical/ ideological and just plain stupid

2. You are listening to people who work with critically ill Covid patients, but NOT to, say, GP who work with patients who recover with no adverse effects at home

We are listening to doctors who work with patients who all too often have long term dibilitating effects of Covid or just die. Doctors who hear these people lamenting the fact that they did not get vaxxed while others cling to stupid reasons who they di not get the shot

Do I have that right?

Di I have that right?

 

[theHawk]

I am putting this in politics instead of healthcare... because it is about the political side of all this.

I am as conservative as they come. Leftism is a cancer among us in many ways.
One, however, is not the vaccine.
Get vaccinated. We need to cut this thing down before a truly bad variant comes out. Delta is not it. It is not nearly as bad as bad as the original, but it can become worse as it will, inevitably morph itself.
As i have stated here a number of times my son is a Respiratory Specialist, and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist. Both at major hospitals.
At the hospital my daughter works at, there are 44 Covid patients. 6 are in ICU. 2 are likely to die.
Wanna know the demographics?
All but two are minorities.
Only one is vaccinated.

Let that sink in. It is the same all over. Right now Covid is a sickness, primarily for the unvaccinated. Yes you can spout off some anecdotal situations that show some vaccinated people getting sick and even dying. But folks, the numbers are simply what the numbers are. And the numbers are the sick enough to be hospitalized - are overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

Getting vaccinated is not "giving in". It doesn't make you less conservative. It is not a "win" for the other side.
It is Goddamn common sense in order to stop a very possible bad ass variant from developing that will screw us over worse than 2020.

Okey let me give you a serious response.

I’m not against anyone getting the vaccine. If you want it, get it. I think it’s even wise for elderly to get it.

However, here is my take on forcing the entire country to get it. This is an experimental mRNA type vaccine, of which there are NO long term studies in humans done. Do you think it is wise for an entire nation to be inoculated with an experimental vaccine which we have no idea what the long term repercussions will be?

What if it turns out in a few years whose who are vaccinated have their immune systems compromised? Or if they have heart issues? Or blood clot issues? What happens if a big percentage of them die from these issues? How will our country survive if 90% of the population is inoculated with the same vaccine that ends up killing most of them? It may be a “conspiracy theory” to think of these things, but these theories certainly cannot be debunked by scientific studies because none have been done.

I don’t know about you, but I think that’s a huge gamble, to gamble the entire future of this nation on one experimental vaccine. So pardon me if I think it’s irresponsible to push it onto 90%+ of the population. I think it would be smarter to have different types of vaccines, and even a portion of unvaccinated. Personally I was holding out for the J&J vaccine, but then the early reports were even worse than the mRNA ones and it was pulled, so I scratched that one off the list.

I am not “anti-vax”. Trust me, I would take a safe and effective vaccine against that CCP/Fauci spawned poison from Wuhan. I don’t want to catch that shit. But at this point I would rather get the virus and build up natural immunity to the future variants. Scientific studies so far have proven that natural immunity is more effective than vaccines.

I’m not “anti-science”. I read scientific papers on the virus and the vaccines. I watch videos about them, I try to educate myself in every way on the subject. Whenever I talk to my relatives about it, they are all clueless on the actual science, and they are all Vaxxed. Science is about doubting. Science is questioning. Science is about observation and testing. That’s all we are doing, is asking questions. What are the long term effects? No one has an answer. So I will wait until the science shows us the answers, then I will get vaccinated.

 

[Lesh]

These are terrible cases and always very sad.

I live in a Covid hotspot. We have been through THREE major surges. I have kept a list of those I know who have had Covid--but it is not exhaustive. In fact, if I had kept up with it, it would be a lot longer. I stopped when the list topped out at over 50

Of those, about 3 were hospitalized and recovered.

My husband knew of one who, tragically, passed away.

People who work in hospitals do not give a full or accurate picture. Do you realize this? You must know from stats that most have an exceedingly high chance of surviving?

And yet for all that you refuse to get vaccinated and encourage others not to

Ya can't fix stupid...

 

[Lesh]

People who work in hospitals do not give a full or accurate picture.

THEY see the devastating results of people listening to the likes of YOU

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

Yes I am. You do realize that I was being sarcstic, right?

Yes.


Mad respect for anybody willing to be a lab rat.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Im not sticking experimental technology(that isnt even approved by the FDA) into my body.
I have taken every vaccine I was supposed to my entire laugh... but this wont be one of them.
Nor while i be shamed for not doing it.

For the record, 100% of every drug that has ever been recalled by the FDA was initially approved by the FDA. And that's a fact.

Historically, more people are killed by FDA-approved drugs than illegal drugs.

That said, I've never personally given any credence at all to the whole loaded argument about it not being approved by the FDA, as the very statement lends credibility to the FDA, seemingly.

The FDA will likely approve it later this week as a political act.

I saw that big old basketball head Cavuto in my idiot box earlier selling the FDA approval like it was just the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Keynesian prick likely has shares. lol.

Historically, the FDA is part of the problem.

It is yet another agency that should be abolished. It's a revolving door between the pharmaceutical industry and the approval methodology. We've seen many times where some dolt did his own so-called testing while working for a pharmaceutical company and then later on ended up working for the FDA approving his own warez. And that's only one area of malfeasance and corruption.

By the way, here's a pretty good, relevant read...

''The forever-head of the US NIAID, Tony Fauci, has repeatedly demanded that the public “trust the science” as he shifts his own science opinion from one positon to another.

What is never mentioned in mainstream media in the West or almost anywhere in the world is the scientific record of the major global vaccine making pharmaceutical giants.

In short, it is abysmal and alarming in the extreme. That alone should prohibit governments from pushing radical untested experimental injections on their populations without extensive long-term animal and other testing to assure their safety.''

Continued - Trust the Big Pharma Science (This is actually a very percetive review of the article)

Original piece - And We Should Trust ‘The Science’ of the Pharma Industry? | New Eastern Outlook

 

[martybegan]

I am putting this in politics instead of healthcare... because it is about the political side of all this.

I am as conservative as they come. Leftism is a cancer among us in many ways.
One, however, is not the vaccine.
Get vaccinated. We need to cut this thing down before a truly bad variant comes out. Delta is not it. It is not nearly as bad as bad as the original, but it can become worse as it will, inevitably morph itself.
As i have stated here a number of times my son is a Respiratory Specialist, and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist. Both at major hospitals.
At the hospital my daughter works at, there are 44 Covid patients. 6 are in ICU. 2 are likely to die.
Wanna know the demographics?
All but two are minorities.
Only one is vaccinated.

Let that sink in. It is the same all over. Right now Covid is a sickness, primarily for the unvaccinated. Yes you can spout off some anecdotal situations that show some vaccinated people getting sick and even dying. But folks, the numbers are simply what the numbers are. And the numbers are the sick enough to be hospitalized - are overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

Getting vaccinated is not "giving in". It doesn't make you less conservative. It is not a "win" for the other side.
It is Goddamn common sense in order to stop a very possible bad ass variant from developing that will screw us over worse than 2020.

I think your thread title got things off on the wrong foot. Many people not wanting the COVID vaccine are not real anti-vaxxers, they just don't think the risk of THIS vaccine outweighs their risks via actual COVID.

I got the vaccine in March, for me and for my elderly relatives so I could dispense with the faux isolation bullshit without pissing off my more risk adverse other relatives.

I understand some people's confusion over the whole mRNA thing, but it's actually a way to make vaccinations SAFER because you dispense with the live/dead virus/bacteria you are immunizing against and just add the antigens/receptors that the immune system responds to to create immunity, or at least resistance.

 

[Lesh]

I think your thread title got things off on the wrong foot. Many people not wanting the COVID vaccine are not real anti-vaxxers, they just don't think the risk of THIS vaccine outweighs their risks via actual COVID.

I got the vaccine in March, for me and for my elderly relatives so I could dispense with the faux isolation bullshit without pissing off my more risk adverse other relatives.

I understand some people's confusion over the whole mRNA thing, but it's actually a way to make vaccinations SAFER because you dispense with the live/dead virus/bacteria you are immunizing against and just add the antigens/receptors that the immune system responds to to create immunity, or at least resistance.

Like I've said...the vast majority of right wingers encouraging people not to get vaccinated HAVE been vaccinated. (Can ya hear me Tucker?)

Fucking cynical sociopaths

 

[martybegan]

Like I've said...the vast majority of right wingers encouraging people not to get vaccinated HAVE been vaccinated. (Can ya hear me Tucker?)

Fucking cynical sociopaths

Please show any post I have made encouraging people to not get vaccinated.

I am against government's requiring it, or using the more pussy move of forcing businesses to check for it for people to enter.

Hear me now, dipshit?

 

[Oddball]

I am putting this in politics instead of healthcare... because it is about the political side of all this.

I am as conservative as they come. Leftism is a cancer among us in many ways.
One, however, is not the vaccine.
Get vaccinated. We need to cut this thing down before a truly bad variant comes out. Delta is not it. It is not nearly as bad as bad as the original, but it can become worse as it will, inevitably morph itself.
As i have stated here a number of times my son is a Respiratory Specialist, and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist. Both at major hospitals.
At the hospital my daughter works at, there are 44 Covid patients. 6 are in ICU. 2 are likely to die.
Wanna know the demographics?
All but two are minorities.
Only one is vaccinated.

Let that sink in. It is the same all over. Right now Covid is a sickness, primarily for the unvaccinated. Yes you can spout off some anecdotal situations that show some vaccinated people getting sick and even dying. But folks, the numbers are simply what the numbers are. And the numbers are the sick enough to be hospitalized - are overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

Getting vaccinated is not "giving in". It doesn't make you less conservative. It is not a "win" for the other side.
It is Goddamn common sense in order to stop a very possible bad ass variant from developing that will screw us over worse than 2020.

I already had it....My natural antibodies and T-cells are more effective than any artificial gene therapy could ever be.

So my answer is "no".

 

[Oddball]

Like I've said...the vast majority of right wingers encouraging people not to get vaccinated HAVE been vaccinated. (Can ya hear me Tucker?)

Fucking cynical sociopaths

Telling others that they should have the freedom over what they choose to or not to put into their bodies, doesn't preclude making that choice for yourself, you mental midget.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I am putting this in politics instead of healthcare... because it is about the political side of all this.

I am as conservative as they come. Leftism is a cancer among us in many ways.
One, however, is not the vaccine.
Get vaccinated. We need to cut this thing down before a truly bad variant comes out. Delta is not it. It is not nearly as bad as bad as the original, but it can become worse as it will, inevitably morph itself.
As i have stated here a number of times my son is a Respiratory Specialist, and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist. Both at major hospitals.
At the hospital my daughter works at, there are 44 Covid patients. 6 are in ICU. 2 are likely to die.
Wanna know the demographics?
All but two are minorities.
Only one is vaccinated.

Let that sink in. It is the same all over. Right now Covid is a sickness, primarily for the unvaccinated. Yes you can spout off some anecdotal situations that show some vaccinated people getting sick and even dying. But folks, the numbers are simply what the numbers are. And the numbers are the sick enough to be hospitalized - are overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

Getting vaccinated is not "giving in". It doesn't make you less conservative. It is not a "win" for the other side.
It is Goddamn common sense in order to stop a very possible bad ass variant from developing that will screw us over worse than 2020.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I already had it....My natural antibodies and T-cells are more effective than any artificial gene therapy could ever be.

So my answer is "no".

amen to that.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Telling others that they should have the freedom over what they choose to or not to put into their bodies, doesn't preclude making that choice for yourself, you mental midget.

thats shill Lesh,err toto for ya.

 

[Lesh]

Please show any post I have made encouraging people to not get vaccinated.

I am against government's requiring it, or using the more pussy move of forcing businesses to check for it for people to enter.

Hear me now, dipshit?

That absolutely is discouraging people from getting vaccinated.

You're giving them reasons not to.

Cynical bastard

 

[Lesh]

I already had it....My natural antibodies and T-cells are more effective than any artificial gene therapy could ever be.

So my answer is "no".

So you think you're protected and don't care if anyone else gets covid and dies.

Hmmm

 

[Calypso Jones]

It's so much easier to give in to the state than to take a stand.

That's why the bad guy wins.

 

[martybegan]

That absolutely is discouraging people from getting vaccinated.

You're giving them reasons not to.

Cynical bastard

No, I am not forcing them, or telling government to force them. I am letting them figure out their own risk level and act accordingly. It's amazing the disdain progressives have for their fellow citizens.

Sorry, but only a totalitarian fuckwit equates not forcing with discouraging.

Totalitarian fuckwit.

 

[Oddball]

So you think you're protected and don't care if anyone else gets covid and dies.

Hmmm

I am protected and you are dumber than a bag of fucking hammers.