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Weatherman2020

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I am putting this in politics instead of healthcare... because it is about the political side of all this.

I am as conservative as they come. Leftism is a cancer among us in many ways.
One, however, is not the vaccine.
Get vaccinated. We need to cut this thing down before a truly bad variant comes out. Delta is not it. It is not nearly as bad as bad as the original, but it can become worse as it will, inevitably morph itself.
As i have stated here a number of times my son is a Respiratory Specialist, and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist. Both at major hospitals.
At the hospital my daughter works at, there are 44 Covid patients. 6 are in ICU. 2 are likely to die.
Wanna know the demographics?
All but two are minorities.
Only one is vaccinated.

Let that sink in. It is the same all over. Right now Covid is a sickness, primarily for the unvaccinated. Yes you can spout off some anecdotal situations that show some vaccinated people getting sick and even dying. But folks, the numbers are simply what the numbers are. And the numbers are the sick enough to be hospitalized - are overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

Getting vaccinated is not "giving in". It doesn't make you less conservative. It is not a "win" for the other side.
It is Goddamn common sense in order to stop a very possible bad ass variant from developing that will screw us over worse than 2020.
Call me when the FDA declares any vaccine safe and effective.
 

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I am putting this in politics instead of healthcare... because it is about the political side of all this.

I am as conservative as they come. Leftism is a cancer among us in many ways.
One, however, is not the vaccine.
Get vaccinated. We need to cut this thing down before a truly bad variant comes out. Delta is not it. It is not nearly as bad as bad as the original, but it can become worse as it will, inevitably morph itself.
As i have stated here a number of times my son is a Respiratory Specialist, and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist. Both at major hospitals.
At the hospital my daughter works at, there are 44 Covid patients. 6 are in ICU. 2 are likely to die.
Wanna know the demographics?
All but two are minorities.
Only one is vaccinated.

Let that sink in. It is the same all over. Right now Covid is a sickness, primarily for the unvaccinated. Yes you can spout off some anecdotal situations that show some vaccinated people getting sick and even dying. But folks, the numbers are simply what the numbers are. And the numbers are the sick enough to be hospitalized - are overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

Getting vaccinated is not "giving in". It doesn't make you less conservative. It is not a "win" for the other side.
It is Goddamn common sense in order to stop a very possible bad ass variant from developing that will screw us over worse than 2020.
You have this in the right place. Everything about this is political, including the "science" around it.
 

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The same old shit. Do you fully unndersatnd it,?Does the CDC understand it? . As I said , you are harping on that point inorder to cast doubt on the wisdom of getting vaxxed, Cut the shit already

I understand the difference between recovery immunity and vaccine immunity.
Recovery immunity means your immune system has become familiar with the virus and has stored how to identify it and how to defeat it.
These mRNA vaccines do not contain actual viruses, but only the spike protein, so are much more likely prone cause the immune system to misidentify.
The immune system may fail to identify the real virus and may incorrectly identify something like our own exosomes as antigens and attack them.
 

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I am putting this in politics instead of healthcare... because it is about the political side of all this.

I am as conservative as they come. Leftism is a cancer among us in many ways.
One, however, is not the vaccine.
Get vaccinated. We need to cut this thing down before a truly bad variant comes out. Delta is not it. It is not nearly as bad as bad as the original, but it can become worse as it will, inevitably morph itself.
As i have stated here a number of times my son is a Respiratory Specialist, and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist. Both at major hospitals.
At the hospital my daughter works at, there are 44 Covid patients. 6 are in ICU. 2 are likely to die.
Wanna know the demographics?
All but two are minorities.
Only one is vaccinated.

Let that sink in. It is the same all over. Right now Covid is a sickness, primarily for the unvaccinated. Yes you can spout off some anecdotal situations that show some vaccinated people getting sick and even dying. But folks, the numbers are simply what the numbers are. And the numbers are the sick enough to be hospitalized - are overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

Getting vaccinated is not "giving in". It doesn't make you less conservative. It is not a "win" for the other side.
It is Goddamn common sense in order to stop a very possible bad ass variant from developing that will screw us over worse than 2020.

Thousands Of Fake Vaccine Cards Seized On Way To New Orleans From China: Feds​


Buying, selling or using a counterfeit COVID-19 vaccination card that features an official government agency seal can result in a fine and up to five years in prison.

Thousands of counterfeit COVID-19 vaccination cards have been seized by federal officials in Memphis, Tennessee, over the last year, according to U.S. border patrol officials, as the Senate’s top Democrat urges a broader federal crackdown on the fake cards.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has reported confiscating 3,017 of the fraudulent paper cards from 121 shipments that had arrived at a Memphis port from China as of Friday.

The cards, which authorities said were destined for New Orleans, feature the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) logo in the upper right corner and are blank to allow the recipient to fill in their name, birthdate, and information about the vaccine they are alleging to have received. But there are a number of typos and unfinished words, and some of the Spanish verbiage on the back is misspelled, the CBP said in a release.

Thousands Of Fake Vaccine Cards Seized On Way To New Orleans From China: Feds

 

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Nothing changes the fact that the CDC and other top experts strongly recomend getting the vaxx and even if natural herd immunity could be achieved, it would be at a tremndous cost in human lives.

The CDC has been making a whole lot of bad calls.
Of course natural herd immunity has always ended every single epidemic in the past, so can easily end this one as well.
And no it would NOT have had a tremendous cost in human lives, and in fact would have saved 550,000 lives, because it could have been done last March.
The reason people are dying is mostly because of the high fatality rate for those over 70.
Those under 40 have 400 times less of a fatality rate.
Fauci estimated herd immunity would require 2.4 million deaths, (70% of 330 million, time a 2% lethality rate).
But he was all wrong for many reason, one of which is that we have the option of deliberately infecting volunteers under 40.
That divides Fauci's 2.4 million by a factor of 400, which comes out to only 6,000 deaths.
 

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These mRNA vaccines do not contain actual viruses, but only the spike protein, so are much more likely prone cause the immune system to misidentify.
If I read the mRNA vaccine purpose correctly, one has to catch the wuhan for the vaccine to recognize it and fight it from the spike protein. Funny, that's how my natural immune system works. hahahahaahahaahahahahahahaha. Folks, these demofks believe anything.
 

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The CDC has been making a whole lot of bad calls.
Of course natural herd immunity has always ended every single epidemic in the past, so can easily end this one as well.
And no it would NOT have had a tremendous cost in human lives, and in fact would have saved 550,000 lives, because it could have been done last March.
The reason people are dying is mostly because of the high fatality rate for those over 70.
Those under 40 have 400 times less of a fatality rate.
Fauci estimated herd immunity would require 2.4 million deaths, (70% of 330 million, time a 2% lethality rate).
But he was all wrong for many reason, one of which is that we have the option of deliberately infecting volunteers under 40.
That divides Fauci's 2.4 million by a factor of 400, which comes out to only 6,000 deaths.
well they're not dying of wuhan. there isn't anything wuhan out there. there is a flu virus, always has been. People have been dying for centuries from it.
 

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The CDC has been making a whole lot of bad calls.
Of course natural herd immunity has always ended every single epidemic in the past, so can easily end this one as well.
And no it would NOT have had a tremendous cost in human lives, and in fact would have saved 550,000 lives, because it could have been done last March.
The reason people are dying is mostly because of the high fatality rate for those over 70.
Those under 40 have 400 times less of a fatality rate.
Fauci estimated herd immunity would require 2.4 million deaths, (70% of 330 million, time a 2% lethality rate).
But he was all wrong for many reason, one of which is that we have the option of deliberately infecting volunteers under 40.
That divides Fauci's 2.4 million by a factor of 400, which comes out to only 6,000 deaths.
Well I'm not going to bother myself dealing with the entirety of this screed of misinformation. I am just going to focus on one thing right now that callas into question the veracity of the who thing:

Of course natural herd immunity has always ended every single epidemic in the past, so can easily end this one as well. That my friend is horseshit:

It was eradicated by a collaborative global vaccination programme led by the World Health Organization. The last known natural case was in Somalia in 1977. It was feared for millennia and among the most deadly diseases facing humankind but today smallpox is no more. It is the only infectious disease that’s been successfully eradicated.

How was smallpox wiped out? | World Economic Forum

www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/how-smallpox-successfully-eradicated-covid/

www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/how-smallpox-successfully-eradicated-covi

You might also want to have a look at this :

Some have proposed removing restrictions and letting the disease run its course. What would that look like?​

In order for 70 percent of the U.S. population to be infected in a nine-month period, we’re talking about 230 million cases, or about 850,000 cases a day. Since we’re hitting more than 100,000 a day right now, it’s not inconceivable that that type of overwhelming transmission is possible. But the effects would be devastating. What would those nine months look like?

  • More than five times more people would get sick than in a typical flu season
  • More than 1 billion work days lost
  • An estimated $109 billion in lost income
  • More than 42,000 patients would be hospitalized every day
  • More than 11 million hospital admissions
  • More than 2.3 million Americans would die of COVID-19 (if the current U.S. case fatality ratio of 1 percent holds). That is more than die of heart disease, cancer, accidents, car accidents, stroke and pneumonia every year, combined.
 

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Well I'm not going to bother myself dealing with the entirety of this screed of misinformation. I am just going to focus on one thing right now that callas into question the veracity of the who thing:

You might also want to have a look at this :


Wrong.
Smallpox vaccine prevented future epidemics, not stop epidemics in progress.
Nor did I ever suggest anything wrong with normal vaccines, so your attempt to change the subject is totally reprehensible.

The reality is that there were no vaccines before 1800, so herd immunity was about the only way to end any epidemic, and it always does work.
Fauci just claimed it would take too many deaths in the case of covid-19, as many as 2.4 million, and clearly he was wrong.
He based the death rate on that of those over 70 since they were the ones mostly dying, and if we deliberately infected volunteers under 40, the death rate drops by a factor of 400. When then reduces Fauci's estimate of 2.4 million deaths from herd immunity, to only 6,000 deaths from herd immunity.
Face it, Fauci goofed.
And we should have eliminated covid last March, instead of "flattening the curve".
 

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Wrong.
Smallpox vaccine prevented future epidemics, not stop epidemics in progress.
It is unlikely that those vaccinated from smallpox have any real immunity, as they have had zero expose to same
Similarly, continued exposure to covid is helpful to those who currently have immunity as it strengthens their immune response to same.
 

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mallpox vaccine prevented future epidemics, not stop epidemics in progress.
Nor did I ever suggest anything wrong with normal vaccines, so your attempt to change the subject is totally reprehensible.
Thank you for admitting that smallpox was not eradicated by natural herd immunity and that future vaccines finally did.
 

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The really sick thing is that the vast majority of idiots trying to discourage people from getting vaccinated and excusing those who refuse HAVE BEEN VACCINATED BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION
 

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I carry a weapon to protect me and my family. i have that right, God given. When you're attacked then you go ahead and see what good that mask does you.
 

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