Time to rename our Confederate Forts

[candycorn]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

We need to ask why US bases are named after traitors, that what we need to ask.

When you look at why those bases were named the way they were. We built bases in the south because land was cheap and available. Names were chosen to honor local confederate legends and we are now stuck with them

Have we ever named any other US military bases after people we beat?

I'm gonna pull a Crepitus move on you here.. Like your arguments about the "popular vote" being more important than the E-College... "WINNING" is relative in a Civil War.. ALL that died were born American and died American... So lets' look at the game stats here...

APPARENTLY -- The north paid a MUCH HIGHER PRICE for the war... Both in money AND lives.. So what were you saying about those southern general "losers"???

According to your stats 42% of rebels were wounded or died. Only 41% of Union soldiers were killed or wounded. Your assessment is not only silly, it's false.

Percentage of dead and wounded is not the issue. The North had 100,000 more deaths.

Ok.

 

[flacaltenn]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

We need to ask why US bases are named after traitors, that what we need to ask.

When you look at why those bases were named the way they were. We built bases in the south because land was cheap and available. Names were chosen to honor local confederate legends and we are now stuck with them

Have we ever named any other US military bases after people we beat?

I'm gonna pull a Crepitus move on you here.. Like your arguments about the "popular vote" being more important than the E-College... "WINNING" is relative in a Civil War.. ALL that died were born American and died American... So lets' look at the game stats here...

APPARENTLY -- The north paid a MUCH HIGHER PRICE for the war... Both in money AND lives.. So what were you saying about those southern general "losers"???

According to your stats 42% of rebels were wounded or died. Only 41% of Union soldiers were killed or wounded. Your assessment is not only silly, it's false.

Oh no.. We treat this like the popular vote argument against the E-College.. REPRESENTATION SIZE doesn't matter... It's the ABSOLUTE numbers that matter...

Okay....

HRC got a higher percentage of the vote than your blob did too.

Strike two.

Yeah.. But NEITHER of them got a MAJORITY of the Americans that voted.. That 6% against BOTH is far higher than the winning margin... About 3 times higher.. If ONLY France had taken part in the Civil War...... Hmmmmm....

 

[WelfareQueen]

The history of Socialism the world over is to erase history they deem unpleasant.

Hitler burned books. He was a National Socialist.

Stalin literally had people painted out of official State Paintings. He was also hughly into being the thought police. No unpleasant ideas or thoughts expressed or it could literally cost you your life.

Mao burned books and also was thought police.

This is what the far left does. Erase history. And when taken to an extreme censor thoughts and speech with threats of imprisonment or death.

This is what the far left in America is either doing or what they want.

 

[OldLady]

Let's just look at one example: huge Fort Benning, Georgia. Who is it named after and what did that man stand for? If he were quoted it would undoubtedly be for his most famous speech made at the outbreak of the Civil War:

"What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery...."

Though the Republican Party at this time of his speech only opposed the expansion of slavery, and Lincoln did not propose to abolish slavery where it already existed, this ardent secessionist painted a hysterical vision of what remaining in the Union under a democratically elected government would mean:

"We will have black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that? It is not a supposable case.... We will be overpowered and our men will be compelled to wander like vagabonds all over the earth; and as for our women, the horrors of their state we cannot contemplate in imagination. That is the fate which abolition will bring upon the white race. ...We will be completely exterminated, and the land will be left in the possession of the blacks, and then it will go back to a wilderness and become another Africa.... Suppose they elevated Charles Sumner to the presidency? Suppose they elevated Fred Douglass, your escaped slave, to the presidency? What would be your position in such an event? I say give me pestilence and famine sooner than that.
— Henry Lewis Benning, Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Convention, February 18, 1861.

By the way, Fort Benning, in addition to housing over 100,000 soldiers and their families, also houses the old "School of the Americas" where many South & Central American future military dictators were and are still being trained. What sort of political schooling goes on there? What sort of "American values" are taught? Of course a simple name change won't change all that.

Jesus. This guy would have fit right in here at USMB.
lol

 

[protectionist]

The people we beat committed treason. Raising statues of them and naming bases after them was not wise.

Soldiers don't commit treason. They simply follow orders of politicians.

 

[flacaltenn]

Spain should purge all those statues of Catalonians right? Make sure no military bases are named after any of them.,.. That'll show them who the winner is --- AMIRITE suicidal Dems????

 

[protectionist]

Gen Grant
Gen Pershing
Gen Eisenhower
Gen Marshall
Gen MacArthur
Gen Patton
Gen Bradley.


You lose

That wasn't the question. Again >> in what military service did YOU serve, rightwinger ?

 

[protectionist]

They were not great men, most were not great Generals, they fought for a cause that is a horror to most of humanity

Why do we honor them?

Because they served in their military. Did you ?

And we say to them "Thank you for your service." Can we say that to you ?

Most southerners fought for a "cause" of self-defense against outside attackers.

 

[candycorn]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

We need to ask why US bases are named after traitors, that what we need to ask.

When you look at why those bases were named the way they were. We built bases in the south because land was cheap and available. Names were chosen to honor local confederate legends and we are now stuck with them

Have we ever named any other US military bases after people we beat?

I'm gonna pull a Crepitus move on you here.. Like your arguments about the "popular vote" being more important than the E-College... "WINNING" is relative in a Civil War.. ALL that died were born American and died American... So lets' look at the game stats here...

APPARENTLY -- The north paid a MUCH HIGHER PRICE for the war... Both in money AND lives.. So what were you saying about those southern general "losers"???

According to your stats 42% of rebels were wounded or died. Only 41% of Union soldiers were killed or wounded. Your assessment is not only silly, it's false.

Oh no.. We treat this like the popular vote argument against the E-College.. REPRESENTATION SIZE doesn't matter... It's the ABSOLUTE numbers that matter...

Okay....

HRC got a higher percentage of the vote than your blob did too.

Strike two.

Yeah.. But NEITHER of them got a MAJORITY of the Americans that voted.. That 6% against BOTH is far higher than the winning margin... About 3 times higher.. If ONLY France had taken part in the Civil War...... Hmmmmm....

 

[protectionist]

Besides...I'm not sure how much of an "honor" it is for the confederate generals to now have their forts used to train union soldiers. It seems like the ultimate "F-U" to them.

The forts are in the southern states, again defending those southern states.

 

[protectionist]

HRC got a higher percentage of the vote than your blob did too.

Strike two.

"THE" vote ? WHICH vote ?

 

[Crepitus]

Raising statues of them and naming bases after them was not wise.

Maybe not. But I don't like the tone of all this. It's too judgmental. If it offends people, change it, move it, whatever. But a bunch of Yankees with a political agenda shouldn't be the ones forcing that change. Let the South sort it out. Statue by statue, base by base. This is the first I heard of anyone bitching about Fort "Bragg." Now the Army is elbowing it's way to the front of the appeasers to say "We might change the names of our bases named for Confederates." Three years ago, they wouldn't have anything to do with it. As far as I know, it was the Army that introduced this into the conversation.
I could be wrong.
But I'm serious the judgmental, rubbing their noses in it tone disheartens me. We've got enough divisiveness in this country right now without refighting the ******* Civil War that's been over 150 years. Just my opinion. No offense meant.

In their minds it isn't over. And it won't be until we've removed all reminders of it. Those statues and place names are of people who fought against the US. We shouldn't glorify them for it. This is 150 years overdue.

 

[Nosmo King]

Auschwitz is in Poland you thick ******.

No shit sherlock! I was making a comparison.

The concentration camps were named for locations, not individuals. Naming a facility for an individual is to honor that individual. Make the case for honoring individuals who fought AGAINST the United Statesnin the name of the worst cause traitors ever fought for.

 

[Crepitus]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

We need to ask why US bases are named after traitors, that what we need to ask.

When you look at why those bases were named the way they were. We built bases in the south because land was cheap and available. Names were chosen to honor local confederate legends and we are now stuck with them

Have we ever named any other US military bases after people we beat?

I'm gonna pull a Crepitus move on you here.. Like your arguments about the "popular vote" being more important than the E-College... "WINNING" is relative in a Civil War.. ALL that died were born American and died American... So lets' look at the game stats here...

APPARENTLY -- The north paid a MUCH HIGHER PRICE for the war... Both in money AND lives.. So what were you saying about those southern general "losers"???

They lost. That makes them the losers. That's the way it works.

The Confederacy is to blame for all of those deaths BTW. They started a war.

 

[Crepitus]

We need to ask......What have these men done to deserve such an honor?

AP HIll, Braxton Bragg, George Pickett, John Bell Hood......why should they be honored?

Trump opposes efforts to remove Confederate commanders' names from military bases

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he opposes any effort by the US military to rename the nearly one dozen major bases and installations that bear the names of Confederate military commanders.

www.cnn.com

We need to ask why US bases are named after traitors, that what we need to ask.

When you look at why those bases were named the way they were. We built bases in the south because land was cheap and available. Names were chosen to honor local confederate legends and we are now stuck with them

Have we ever named any other US military bases after people we beat?

I'm gonna pull a Crepitus move on you here.. Like your arguments about the "popular vote" being more important than the E-College... "WINNING" is relative in a Civil War.. ALL that died were born American and died American... So lets' look at the game stats here...

APPARENTLY -- The north paid a MUCH HIGHER PRICE for the war... Both in money AND lives.. So what were you saying about those southern general "losers"???

According to your stats 42% of rebels were wounded or died. Only 41% of Union soldiers were killed or wounded. Your assessment is not only silly, it's false.

Percentage of dead and wounded is not the issue. The North had 100,000 more deaths.

Maybe they shouldn't have started a war.

 

[protectionist]

Those Southern States are part of the UNITED STATES
We should not celebrate rebellion

WE DO celebrate rebellion. Once a year, on July 4th.

 

[protectionist]

They lost. That makes them the losers. That's the way it works.

The Confederacy is to blame for all of those deaths BTW. They started a war.

Oh bullshit.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Only demagogues and partisan Republican meatheads obsessively repeat the indubitable historical fact that most Confederates, Southern Jim Crow politicians and Klansmen during and long after Reconstruction were Democratic Party supporters. Democrats today know, at least should know, this history.

But of course TODAY, among both Liberal and Conservative Democrats, as also within its "progressive" wing, everyone identifies themselves as supporters of Lincoln Republicanism and the Union cause.

Unfortunately, many supporters of Donald Trump, who call themselves Republicans but really are right wing reactionaries, hate Lincoln with a passion, see him as a dictator, espouse openly racist views, wave or support the waving of Confederate Flags, oppose all reforms of crony capitalism, and confuse "Making America Great Again" with preserving "Lost Cause" Confederate myths. All this is certainly not true of every or even most Trump supporters, fortunately. But the meathead reactionary element certainly does seem to predominate among Trump supporters here on USMB.

 

[Mushroom]

It is part of history
But why do we have such a twisted view of who we honor in history?
10 first named after Confederate Generals, one after Union Generals

Why Gen Lee and not General Grant?
Why Gen Bragg and Hood but not Gen Sherman and Sheridan?

History Fail. Big time history fail.

We have had a Fort Grant. As well as a Fort Sherman. Both defended the Canal Zone, and were closed in 1999. Trust me, I have been to both posts. Fort Sherman was an awesome base, and I can guarantee that nobody that went through Jungle School there will ever forget it.

We also had a Fort Sheridan, it closed in 1993, but is still partially open as the Sheridan Reserve Center.

Try researching and learning history, then you do not make such stupid mistakes.

 

[Mushroom]

/——-/ Of course they aren’t confederate forts. What do you expect from rightwinger?

He is not a "right winger".

He is a Liberal troll, who posts things like this all the time.